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There's more poor musicians out there than rich ones and depressingly, even being a founding member of the incredible Rolo Tomassi isn't going to pay the bills.
James Spence explains how he clawed his way out of the hospitality trade to make a career in the music business work, between booking bands, repping shows and touring.
He also spills the beans on plans for Rolo's special 20th anniversary set at this year's ATG.
But before all that we have Outbreak to discuss, Damnation's latest announcement and Dim Skewer's mental week of fame.
We go again, every Thursday morning.

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