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Conversations with the best thought leaders on the non-financial side of family office work. Join host Joe Reilly as we learn from the top thinkers around wealth in families, inheritance, philanthropy and issues of wealth in the larger society. Great stories, insights and inspiration for the family principal or family office executive.
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"Modern Relationships"

Erik Torenberg, Turpentine

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We rarely get to hear how people actually make relationships work, especially in the high-pressure, fast-paced world of tech. While there's endless dating advice out there, what's missing are the real, unfiltered stories of how ambitious people navigate modern relationships and build a life together. Unlike every other aspect of modern life that can be solved with an app or outsourced to a service, building meaningful relationships remains stubbornly resistant to quick fixes. Through convers ...
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This week, Erik talks to dating coach and former Stripe engineer Joyce Zhang and reveals her strategic dating frameworks and explains why people's standards are too low (not high). She introduces her controversial "hardball" filtering technique, and argues that dating apps work excellently with proper strategy—but self-love remains the biggest bott…
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This week, Erik sits down with Joe Hudson and Tara Howley, the extraordinary couple behind Art of Accomplishment, whose coaching has helped CEOs like Sam Altman. They share their journey from a toxic relationship to a deeply connected partnership, offering personal stories, practical strategies, and insights on how self-growth, therapy, and commitm…
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In this episode, Erik sits down with Harley Finkelstein and Lindsay Taub, partners of 15 years. Harley, Shopify's president, and Lindsay, a psychotherapist and entrepreneur, discuss their speed dating origin story, balancing radical acceptance with growth, and redefining work-life balance while raising two daughters together when your job is all-co…
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Today on Modern Relationships Erik Torenberg is joined by Jared Fliesler, a former executive at Google, Square, and Scribd turned founder coach, discusses how to identify core values in partners, distinguish between compromise and "horse trading," and determine when someone is "good enough." He shares insights on building meaningful connections, hi…
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Today on Modern Relationships Erik Torenberg talks to Ann Pierce, a former startup founder who became obsessed with the mission of solving interpersonal conflict. Ann unpacks why conflict isn't inherently negative but actually builds trust when handled correctly. She covers why invalidation is the most common threat most of us encounter, how we mis…
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Dating coach and matchmaking expert Blaine Anderson discusses the psychology behind successful dating for men in today's complex landscape. The conversation explores why instant "sparks" are often misleading indicators of relationship potential, with Anderson revealing how chemistry can develop over time rather than appearing at first sight. She ex…
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Best-selling author, Air Force veteran, and psychologist Rob K. Henderson joins Erik Torenberg to explore the complex dynamics and evolutionary psychology in modern dating. The conversation examines how evolutionary psychology explains attraction patterns, particularly women's occasional interest in men with dark triad personality traits. Henderson…
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Carl Narcisse, a partner on the talent team at Andreessen Horowitz, and Whitnie Narcisse, formerly an operating partner at First Round Capital who just launched a matchmaking company, talk to Erik Torenberg about their relationship. The couple discuss their decade-long marriage that began at a baseball game, balancing tech careers with raising thre…
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OpenAI Chief Product Officer Kevin Weil and Scribble Ventures' Founder & Partner Elizabeth Weil share how they've navigated demanding tech careers over 20 years while raising three children—from their whirlwind marathon meetup to building parallel paths in Silicon Valley. They discuss how they've navigated their career decisions while raising three…
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Curious Humans podcast host Jonny Miller and creative coach Kelly Wilde Miller sit down with Erik Torenberg and share their framework for "shortening the half-life of reactivity" of conflicts, their sacred Sunday check-in practice, and why they view marriage as "an arena for surfacing our own stuff." Modern Relationships is a podcast from Turpentin…
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Philosophers Agnes Callard and Arnold Brooks bring their intellectual rigor to marriage and relationships. They sit down with Erik Torenberg to discuss their relationship's beginnings (when Agnes was Arnold's professor), their Platonic versus Aristotelian disagreements about whether marriage is something to transcend or achieve, and why relationshi…
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How this couple stays independent while building a life together -- Their secret? 15 days of "me time" sabbaticals each year! Serial entrepreneur Rie Yano explains how these mini-breaks help them maintain their identities beyond just being "married." Would you try this with your partner? #MarriageTips #RelationshipHack #CoupleGoals…
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Sasha Chapin and Cate Hall have been together for three years. Sasha is a writer and co-founder of a perfume company, while Cate is a former pro poker player and CEO of a foundation. They talk about radical honesty in relationships, why the Enneagram can help bridge extreme personalities, and commitment over connection. Modern Relationships is a po…
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Two entrepreneurs, two kids, ONE perfectly balanced relationship Watch how this power couple manages to split EVERYTHING equally while building businesses and raising children. No "primary parent" here! Is true 50-50 partnership possible? They're living proof! #PowerCouple #RelationshipGoals #EntrepreneurCouple #EqualPartnership…
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Adam Gries and Rie Yano are both startup founders now building in the longevity space (Vitalism). They discuss their approach to partnership, from their serendipitous first meeting (started as a misunderstanding) to building a 50/50 marriage while running companies and raising children. They examine why great relationships shouldn't require constan…
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Tara Viswanathan (founder who recently sold her startup) and Alex Modon (startup founder) share their journey from a 15-minute Bumble date to marriage. They discuss Tara's systematic approach to dating (including analyzing 60 first dates), building a relationship while running startups, and their thoughts on balancing ambitious careers with startin…
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Aike Ho (Partner, ACME Capital) and Camilla Hermann (entrepreneur) discuss "relationship yoga" - viewing intimate relationships as paths to growth through how we trigger each other. They explore how relationship patterns reveal unresolved aspects of ourselves and why finding a partner who's willing to evolve together matters more than matching a ch…
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Want to know the secret to avoiding relationship explosions? 🤔 Most couples stay TOO nice (levels 0-2) until they blow up at level 10! Igor & Liv reveal why staying at 4-5 - being direct and a little spicy - keeps their relationship drama-free. No taboo topics = no hidden resentment! 🗣️ #relationshipadviceforwomen #CouplesCommunication #HealthyRela…
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Liv Boeree (former poker champion, host of the Win-Win podcast) and Igor Kurganov (poker pro, co-founder of Raising for Effective Giving) have been together for 10 years. They're masters of creative conflict, inventors of the "hiss method," and champions of rational decision-making in relationships. In this candid episode, they share their unconven…
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In this week's episode, Phil Levin and Kristen Berman share the ultimate friend zone to romance success story. What started with running quirky social experiments together (like turning a bar into a controlled study on meeting people) blossomed into a relationship that defies convention. Now this behavioral scientist and founder (Live Near Friends)…
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We rarely get to hear how high-powered tech couples actually make relationships work. In this remarkably candid conversation, Delian Asparouhov (Founders Fund partner and Co-Founder of Varda Space Industries) and author Nadia Asparouhov pull back the curtain on their unique approach to love and commitment. From their memorable first date featuring …
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Luther Dickinson is an acclaimed sideman, solo artist, and producer, noted for his work with the North Mississippi Allstars, Phil Lesh, and the Black Crowes. We begin with a discussion of his legendary producer/musician father, Jim, and how he nurtured his son's playing and his work ethic. We also dive into how Luther became a devotee of open tunin…
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Today we sit down with the incredible father/son guitar team of Stuie and Sonny French, of The French Family Band. They tell their tale of how they moved from Australia to the United States in 2019, and quickly made an impact on the Nashville music scene through their shutdown era livestreams, and their more recent appearances on the Grand Ole Opry…
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We have a special treat today, an interview I conducted live with Jay Hughes at the recent Southeastern Family Office Forum, or SEFOF, in Atlanta. SEFOF is a remarkable non-profit family office and family enterprise network that is now 14 years old. I had a wonderful time there and met many nice folks. My thanks to Brian Hughes, Bryn Monahan and Be…
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Christian Stewart is a consultant in Hong Kong who started Family Wealth Legacy to help successful Asian families establish communication platforms and decision making structures for their family enterprise. Christian works with enterprising families as a process consultant, coach and family meeting facilitator. He helps families to form their own …
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Keith Whitaker is an educator who consults with leaders and rising generation members of families with significant wealth. We had an interesting conversation touching on Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, but also on Keiths long practical experience working with the wealthy. We talk about the cycle of the gift in families, the concept of magnificence, and …
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Today's episode features two legends of the Nashville music scene, Joe Glaser and Steve Wariner. Glaser's innovations include a neck plate mounted bender system, 3-pickup Tele-style builds, Plek fret leveling and nut cutting technology, Music City Bridge hardware and tool supply, and running the world-respected Glaser Instruments repair shop in Nas…
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“Generativity is the human impulse to nurture, to do good things for the next generation and to see myself, my life, in a sense, being extended through the possibilities in my children and grandchildren.” Today, in conjunction with the James E Hughes Jr. Foundation, I’d like to present my interview with one of Jay’s longtime collaborators John A. W…
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George Marcus wrote a book you probably haven’t heard of, but should. It is called Lives in Trust and it was published in 1992 and is $146 on Amazon right now. Professor Marcus is an anthropologist who studied tribes in Tonga and then applied what he learned to study dynastic wealth in families starting in Texas. The book has great essays on the HL…
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John Leventhal returns to go in-depth on his first solo album, Rumble Strip. We discuss his process of composing, recording, and the gear he used to create the 16 poignant tracks on the album. Leventhal also discusses his signature acoustic guitar tones that utilize both the natural "acoustic" sound, plus an "electric" sound hole pickup run-through…
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Today we are speaking with Gunther Weil. Gunther has known some of the 20th century’s most interesting psychologists including Carl Rogers, Abraham Maslow, Gordon Allport, Timothy Leary and Henry Murray as well as such names as Tony Robbins and Eckhart Tolle. We talk about them, his journey in and out of the psychedelic world, and his later work wi…
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Duke Levine's resume is filled with a catalog of stellar solo albums, high-profile sideman gigs, and essential session work. We have Tom Bukovac to thank for making this interview happen, as he had requested Duke on a recent session here in Nashville, that gave us a chance to catch up in person with the Boston-area great. To kick off, we begin with…
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“Families that are failing spend all their time on power.” Today's guest is Jay Hughes. Jay and I had a deep and fascinating discussion about the development of the elder in a family, the importance of the midlife crisis, and transcendent values. We also discussed many great pioneers in the family wealth field like Joanie Bronfman, Charlie Collier,…
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Today we are speaking with once again Dr. James Grubman, an internationally recognized consultant to families of wealth, family businesses, and the advisors who serve them. He is the co-author of one of the buzziest books of the year called Wealth 3.0: The Future of Family Wealth Advising along with Dennis Jaffe and Kristin Keffeler, who I have als…
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Adam Levy has an established guitar voice that we first heard on Tracy Chapman's "Give Me One Reason," then on albums and tours with Norah Jones, and sharpened to a fine point on his latest release, Spry. Besides his work as a guitarist, Levy has also devoted himself to being an educator through his Guitar Tips channel, Truefire instructional cours…
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Jeff King was raised in the Smokey Mountains of East Tennessee, where as a young boy, he found a guitar in an attic and was immediately hooked. Though he loved music and played frequent gigs, he did not study it in college, yet post-graduation, he decided to throw in his lot with a friend that moved to Nashville in the early 80s. With luck on his s…
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Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world, how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art and in popular culture. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast. …
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Today I am very pleased to have Chip Fisher, CEO of Fisher Wallace Laboratories and head of Ursus Advisory, a peer to peer consultancy for young adults with inherited wealth. Chip is an inheritor himself, and also an accomplished entrepreneur and philanthropist. He is currently CEO of his third company, Fisher Wallace Laboratories which makes medic…
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Our interview today is with Eric Schoenberg, who is one of the very few people deeply exploring inherited wealth in academia, and we cover his own inheritance and family life, why he became interested in studying wealth, economic concepts like the bequest motive, revealed preferences, and the wonderfully named “spite clause” as well as Eric’s consi…
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Today we are talking to Tony Guernsey, former national head of Wilmington Trust wealth management, a longtime senior banker at JP Morgan, founder of the UBS US private bank. Tony wrote an unpublished memoir called Divas, Icons, and Felons with his wisdom and great stories from his distinguished five decades managing money for many wealthy and famou…
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Truetone LoungeChris Scruggs is the host of his own WSM radio show that runs on Friday nights after the Grand Ole Opry, fronts his own band, The Stone Fox Five, and is a member of the white-hot group backing Marty Stuart, The Fabulous Superlatives. He is also a busy session man with everyone from up-and-comers to hitmakers Kacey Musgraves & Sierra …
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