It started with a coronavirus crisis. We thought people might need something to do in lieu of fun. And some people might need someone to yap at them as they go through this. We have a lot of cool friends. So we started a show. Then the crisis ended. But by then I was wearing dog shirts every day. And the the rest was the rest. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Building the Bulwark with Jonathan V. Last
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1:00:40Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher and Anastasiia Lapatina welcome Jonathan V. Last to talk about optimism and pessimism, building a media empire, and the craft of journalistic writing. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Gaming, AI, and Counterterrorism with Erin Saltman
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1:01:46Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Alicia Wanless welcome Erin Saltman to discuss the role of gaming and AI in youth radicalization and de-radicalization. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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The WITAOD Chronicles with Anna Bower and Tyler McBrien
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1:01:24Wherein Ben welcomes Anna Bower and Tyler McBrien to discuss Anna's months-long quest to unmask the administrator of DOGE. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Jonathan Rauch, who has a proposal for potential Democratic legislative strategy in the current budget negotiations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Alicia Wanless welcome Mike Pesca to discuss Biden's health while in office and media discussion around it, and continue to prepare for a Special Military Operation targeting Trump's banner outside the Department of Agriculture. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher compare their approaches to household cleanliness and the psychology thereof. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss parenting wins and losses--and the difficulties posed by a baby who's been awake in a bomb shelter all night. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben, Alicia Wanless, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Genevieve DellaFera answer silly questions Alicia's publisher sent her. Desert islands, Ayn Rand, and the effectiveness of the Tokugawa Shogunate are discussed. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss democracy in South Africa and the complete lack of genocide against Afrikaners. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Trump v. Lincoln: Live Storyboarding
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1:01:10Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and the audience plan a Special Military Operation targeting Trump's latest ego boost: an enormous banner of his face hanging opposite Lincoln's outside USDA. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Minna Ålander discuss how Trump's attempts to exercise coercive power are going in various domestic and political arenas. If you want to join us live every weekday at 8am EST, get a years subscription to Dog Shirt Daily for just $25 this week only. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein Ben welcomes Anastasiia Lapatina for a real-time tour of a Norwegian town on the Russian border and a live interview with a local journalist covering Russian aggression in the Arctic. Holly Berkley Fletcher comes on to discuss her most recent shenanigans, Minna Ålander talks NATO policy, and Ben goes over the recent SCOTUS arguments in the …
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Wherein Ben and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss Ukrainian perspectives on Russian dissidents, international organizations, and national identity. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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The History of Puns with John Pollack
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1:00:17Wherein Ben and Alicia Wanless welcome author John Pollack to talk about the place of wordplay in human society. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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South African Refugees and Ukrainian Children
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1:00:50Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss the difficulties of addressing wealth disparity. Then they welcome Marichka Hlyten to talk about Russian abuse of Ukrainian children. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Holly Berkley Fletcher comes on with a list of discussion topics, including refugees, book reviews, South Sudan, and a covert margarita operation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Jonathan Rauch discuss why Trump wants a Qatari plane and how to protest at a military parade. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss the new Pope, what the Papacy represents, and why we should care. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben welcomes Nicholas Weaver to talk about corruption in cryptocurrency, the global supply chain, and American universities. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and guests discuss world leaders people won't stop revering for some reason. Lior Tepper brings updates from the trial of Netanyahu in Israel, Eve Gaumond and Alicia Wanless discuss Trump's meeting with the Canadian Prime Minister, and Marichka Hlyten explains why there were Stalinist marchers in DC last weekend. Hosted on Acast. See ac…
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Quilting for the Constitution with Emma Petty Adams
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1:02:04Wherein Ben and Jonathan Rauch welcome Emma Petty Adams to discuss her organization, Mormon Women for Ethical Government, and the influence of Mormon women in Republican politics. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Anastasiia Lapatina discuss negotiation strategy in the Ukraine peace talks. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Eve Gaumond discusses new AI experiments, Minna Ålander discusses European political analysis, and Ben encourages audience participation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Early Childhood Education with Kenya Wolff
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1:00:43Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Kenya Wolff, an expert in early childhood education, to talk about child development, the costs of childcare, and the Toddler-In-Chief. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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All Things Finnish with Jussi Toivanen
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1:00:42Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Alicia Wanless welcome Jussi Toivanen to discuss Finnish language, culture, and politics. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Alan Elrod of the Pulaski Institution to discuss strengthening democratic society in rural areas vulnerable to populist influences. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Christian Education with John Hawthorne
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1:01:24Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome sociologist John Hawthorne to discuss his new book on how fear controls Christian universities and how to change that. Check out the book here: https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802884565/the-fearless-christian-university/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Eve Gaumond discuss the upcoming Canadian elections. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Jonathan Rauch discuss protest movements, religion in government, and justifications for violence. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss different ways of reckoning with complicated history, from land acknowledgements to post-colonial governance. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Alicia Wanless welcome Catholic journalist Michael Sean Winters to discuss the legacy of Pope Francis and what comes next for the Catholic Church. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Federal Courts Fight Back with Ruth Marcus and Marty Lederman
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59:41Wherein Ben welcomes Ruth Marcus and Marty Lederman to discuss recent judicial responses to Trump administration malevolence and where the federal courts go from here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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The Content Industry with Mike Pesca
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1:03:26Wherein Ben welcomes Mike Pesca to talk about the industry of people who talk about things. They discuss celebrity podcasts, the audience for newsletters, and whether to make fun of your own advertisers. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Eve Gaumond discuss Eve’s new venture into exploiting the working class. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben welcomes Joel Woodward from the Collegium to discuss the return of the Gilded Age, complete with monopolies and robber barons. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben welcomes Minna Ålander, an expert on European security issues, to discuss Putin's strategic approach to NATO in the Trump era. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Anastasiia Lapatina to discuss the current situation in Ukraine and Eastern Europe more generally. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Anna Bower to discuss various Trump administration litigation issues, including violations of court orders and more clarity on who runs DOGE. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher attempt improv comedy and discuss the economic impacts of tariffs. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss last weekend's protests, and the art they themselves have made to protest the Trump administration. They talk laser projections, YouTube videos, and cactus warfare. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Narcissists Among Us with Amy Brunell
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1:01:17Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Alicia Wanless welcome Professor Amy Brunell, a social psychologist, to tell us about narcissism. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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The Information Animal with Alicia Wanless
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1:02:58Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Alicia Wanless to tell us about her new book, The Information Animal, a historical and contemporary survey of the human information consumption. Pre-order Alicia's book here: https://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/the-information-animal/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Alicia Wanless welcome Dr. Tony Volk, a developmental psychology researcher, to talk about the dynamics of bullying, on the playground and in the Oval Office. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher welcome Virginia Heffernan and Jonathan Rauch to talk about philosophy in the present moment and taking action one day at a time. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben, Alicia Wanless, and Eve Gaumond discuss the craziest recent events in Canadian politics, including lies, plagiarism, and threats of secession. Anastasiia Lapatina joins in to discuss the last episodes of her podcast on US-Ukrainian relations. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein Ben and Alicia Wanless welcome Professor Lucy Jackson to tell us all about the Greek chorus, from its theatrical role to its philosophical significance. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Alicia Wanless discuss Trump administration influencers, puppets as graduation speakers, and maple syrup smuggling in the tariff era. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben welcomes Mike Pesca to talk about podcasts, scandals, and the JFK assassination, and they read the newly released Houthi PC Small Group battle plans live on the show. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein Ben and Holly Berkley Fletcher discuss the Trump administration's leak of classified military information via group chat and welcome Anna Bower to tell us about her search for the administrator of DOGE. The as-yet-unnamed puppy was also there. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein Ben, Holly Berkley Fletcher, and Eve Gaumond discuss the upcoming elections in Canada. Also, Ben has a new puppy. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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