Boundaryless Conversations Podcast is an ongoing exploration of the future of Platforms & Ecosystems. Here we explore new perspectives about how we organise at scale in a rapidly changing world. From Boundaryless SRL Hosted by Simone Cicero and Shruthi Prakash
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#120 - Stackable Business Models: Startup Strategy in the AI-Native Era with Pete Flint
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42:50Pete Flint, General Partner at NFX and founder of Trulia, joins us for an expansive conversation on how AI is reshaping the foundations of entrepreneurship, platform economies, network effects, and defensibility strategies. Drawing from his deep experience as both a founder and an investor, Pete breaks down what it means to build in a world where C…
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#119 - Working with Source: Acknowledging the Creative Hierarchy with Tom Nixon
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53:01In this episode, we welcome Tom Nixon, author of Work with Source, to explore the powerful yet often overlooked idea of “source” - as the person who first conceives and commits to a creative initiative - and the impact such a role has on organizations. Drawing from his extensive experience advising founders and mission-driven projects, Tom helps us…
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#118 - Effective Adoption of AI in the Enterprise - with Anindya Ghose
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46:46What does it take for organizations to truly harness the power of AI - not just as a buzzword, but as a transformative force for strategy, culture, and execution? In this episode, Anindya Ghose - Professor at NYU Stern, and one of the world’s leading voices at the intersection of AI, economics, and platforms - joins us to explore what it means to a…
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#117 - Building Antifragile Organizations Through Daily Action with Luca Dellanna
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51:50What separates organizations that thrive in uncertainty from those that struggle? In this episode, Luca Dellanna - management consultant, researcher, and author - explores how companies can move beyond theoretical decision-making to ensure real-world execution and resilience. In this episode, Luca unpacks key concepts like ergodicity, antifragility…
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#116 - GenAI and The End of Consulting as We Know it - with Louis-David Benyayer
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50:09As AI reshapes industries at an unprecedented pace, Louis-David Benyayer, associate professor at ESCP Business School and a leading researcher and strategist at the intersection of AI, digital transformation, and knowledge work, joins us on this podcast to discuss what it means for the consulting, education, and knowledge work industries. In this e…
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#115 - How to Structure your Partnership Strategy with Asher Mathew
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44:27In an era where go-to-market strategies are evolving rapidly, Asher Mathew—a veteran in partnerships, ecosystems, and business transformation—makes a case for the strategic role of partnerships in modern business. Asher unpacks how partnerships extend beyond traditional sales and marketing, influencing product development, customer acquisition, and…
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#114 - Bringing Customers Back to the Heart of Business - with Helge Tennø
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1:00:13In a world where products and organizational design often take centre stage, Helge Tennø —a long-time strategist and innovation advisor focused on customer-centric transformations— makes the case for redefining and delivering customer value. In this episode, he challenges the conventional reliance on engagement and sales metrics and highlights the …
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#113 - Why Every Company Is Now a Technology Company—and What It Means for the Future with Rebecca Parsons
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57:53Amid technological advancements and shifting organizational landscapes, former CTO of ThoughtWorks, Rebecca Parsons, takes this episode to build the bridge between technology and business impact. Challenging a common fear in the ecosystem of “technology being commoditized”, she explores how it can transcend industries to become a core enabler of di…
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#112 - Finding the Beauty in Business with Tim Leberecht
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49:54In a world of interconnected complexities, where futures can often feel bleak, there’s Tim Leberecht, founder of House of Beautiful Business, integrating beauty where we least expect it - business. In this episode, he shares how beauty goes beyond aesthetics and speaks to truth, alignment, and the reminder of what humanity is capable of at its best…
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#111 - The Power of Making and Remaking with Immy Kaur
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1:05:14A visionary community leader and co-founder of Civic Square, Immy Kaur, joins us on this episode, to drive home some ground breaking thoughts on systemic transformation in our everyday living. With deep insights drawn from over a decade of experience, Immy challenges conventional thinking about organizing at scale and highlights the urgent need to …
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#110 - Decisions, Not Data: Why Research needs Organizational Readiness with Erika Hall
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56:24One of the most revered names in research and design, Erika Hall, Co-founder of Mule Design, joins us on this podcast to challenge the role of research as we know it. In this episode, she shares deep insights into the challenges of navigating research in complexity, and, on the backbone of systems thinking, offers thought-provoking perspectives add…
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#109 - Beyond Existing Business Model Frames with Jen van der Meer
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51:32A popular practitioner of the systemic approach to business, Jennifer van der Meer, founder of Reason Street, joins us on this episode to explore the intersection of business models, capital structures, and ecosystemic value creation.Highlighting how “in business, the challenge is to move beyond the constraints of financial logic and design for bro…
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#108 - Doing Strategy in a World of Ruthless Change with Roger Martin
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1:01:32Roger Martin, one of the world’s most influential business thinkers and former Dean of the Rotman School of Management, joined us on this episode to talk about all things strategy. He breaks down how organizations can keep up with the dynamism and complexity of it all: the evolution of strategy across the decades, digital transformation, decentrali…
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#107 - Understanding Design Fiction with Fabien Girardin and Nicolas Nova
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50:52Have you ever wondered how visualizing complex futures can help you take actions and decisions today? Fabien Girardin and Nicolas Nova, pioneers of the practice of Design Fiction, take us on a journey into it to explain what it is for and what comes beyond it. This episode reveals what it means to create tangible expressions of potential futures wh…
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#106 Keeping Humans in the Loop: The Key to Successful AI Integration with Philippe De Ridder
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53:51Philippe De Ridder, co-founder and CEO of Boards of Innovation joins us for a conversation on the Autonomous Age and the Age of Creative AI. In this episode, he discusses his popular opinions on how AI will enable unprecedented productivity gains across industries and impact all business arenas, starting from knowledge work. He also shares his pers…
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#105 – Understanding why the Company is the Product with John Cutler
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55:38John Cutler, a veteran thought leader and practitioner in product management, joins us for the first episode of Season 6 of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast. John is popularly known for his work on product development, collaboration, and systems thinking, and has worked with some of the most advanced product-centric organizations like Toast, …
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Trailer: The Boundaryless Conversations Podcast Season 6 is coming up!
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0:58We want to invite you to listen to our show, the Boundaryless Conversations Podcast, on its upcoming Season 6. On this podcast, tech insights meet deep dives into geopolitics, culture, and policymaking, exploring the fabric of tomorrow's world. Here you can listen to stories from people at the forefront of innovative product and platform developmen…
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#104 - Season 5 Wrap-Up: Thinking and Doing Inside and Beyond the Platform
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23:06We reviewed all the 20 episodes from Season 5, and shared some much needed look back and key highlights. While the learnings are an abundant treasure trove, we handpicked a few and categorized them into 4 sections: Dystopian aspects of current socio-technological trends with Sangeet Paul Choudary, James Currier, John Robb and Jeremiah Owyang Vision…
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#103 - Funding Ventures through the GenAI Age with James Currier
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44:41James Currier, co-founder of NFX and veteran venture capitalist, joins us as our final guest for Season 5 of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast. In this gripping discussion, we go through the current and future states of Venture Capital and startups, the role and impacts that AI will have in these ecosystems, and the incumbents' seemingly domin…
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#102 - Decoding the Viable System Model with Mark Lambertz
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52:10“Viable System Model” expert Mark Lambertz joins us on today’s podcast to help us unfold organizing in complex ecosystems. Mark, a long-time Agile practitioner and a renowned expert on the Viable System Model has a deep understanding and a curious mindset toward all things organizing. We met Mark as an Organizational Coach at Bosch, where he’s driv…
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#101 - Navigating Platform Transitions with Yolanda Martin
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52:35Yolanda Martin Olivas, Global VP of Design, ClearScore, joins us on this episode to talk about the challenges and strategies involved in building platform capabilities within organizations. From her experience of building platforms at companies like Farfetch, Hearst, Canonical, Kaluza, and ClearScore etc., she takes us through the realities (someti…
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#100 - Learning Centered Organizations for the 21st Century with Indy Johar
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58:03Indy Johar, Mission Steward of Dark Matter Labs, joins the podcast to help us rethink how we organize ourselves and our systems, addressing inadequacies of traditional business models that are no longer sufficient for managing complexities. Bringing light to how “risk management should be localized, with decision-making power and accountability bei…
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#99 - The State of Platforms in 2024 with Kelly Sarabyn and Scott Brinker
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55:54Kelly Sarabyn and Scott Brinker from HubSpot take us through their latest report on the State of Platforms in 2024. HubSpot has always considered industry education as central to developing its business and brand, and - in combination with some of its partners - released this great report earlier this year. The report profoundly covers how firms no…
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#98 - Sandwich Economics: a New Era of Competition with Sangeet Paul Choudary
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1:04:08We have a three-time returning guest on the podcast today, Sangeet Paul Choudary - certainly one of the most influential minds in the world of modern business. Sangeet, an advisor and best-selling author, known for his work on platform economics and network effects, joins us to take us through the next era of competition in business: Sandwich Econo…
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#97 - R.I.P. Agile, Long Live Agile 2 with Cliff Berg
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58:49On today’s podcast, we host someone who - has been at the forefront of the Agile revolution, and, at the same time, became one of Agile movement's most vocal critics, to the extent, that he dared to say: “R.I.P Agile”. Cliff Berg, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of Agile 2 Academy, and a leading figure in Agile and DevOps advising joins our podcast…
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#96 - Building Calm Technology and Organizations with Amber Case
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1:06:19We rarely (if ever) get to host a cyborg anthropologist on our podcast, so we are thrilled to have Amber Case join us as a special guest for this episode. Amber, who works at the intersection of human and technology interactions, shares her journey into envisioning what a calm technology is. Calm Technology is a design philosophy that advocates for…
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#95 - Avoiding the Agile Bureaucracy with Rosa and Hjorteland
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1:02:16In today’s episode, we are joined by João Rosa and Trond Hjorteland, two organizational consultants with a unique point of view, who take us through the depth of Open Systems Theory, and what it means to be socio-technical practitioners, passionate about transitioning democratic organizations to fast-flowing operational models. With many years of e…
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#94 - Susanne Kaiser on Building the Right Things (& Building Things Right)
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54:04An independent tech consultant with over 20 years, Susanne Kaiser joins the podcast and shares her insights on what makes a robust socio-technical system. Integrating takeaways from different approaches like Wardley Mapping, Domain Driven Design, and Team topologies, she helps the listeners understand how to mold systems into ones that are adaptabl…
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#93 - Beyond the Code: Jeremiah Owyang on the New Era of AI
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48:37Jeremiah Owyang, a veteran with a vantage point of Silicon Valley and current General Partner at Blitzscaling Ventures joins us for the second time on the podcast. While he is now working on identifying and nurturing AI startups, this episode reflects his art of captivating audiences. He takes us through the exponential growth of AI startups, its i…
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#92 - Why Enterprise Architecture is not (just) about Technology: with Charles Betz
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53:11Join us on this episode as we sit down with Charles Betz, a leading authority in enterprise architecture-related research. With a career dedicated to understanding how digitally enabled organizations (should) operate at scale, Charles is the VP and Research Director of Enterprise Architecture at Forrester. Tune in as he discusses the evolution of t…
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#91 Rethinking Development: UNDP’s Journey from Projects to Portfolios
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57:28Join us as we delve into a thought-provoking conversation with Milica Begovic and Giulio Quaggiotto, current and former Head of Strategic Innovation at the UNDP, as they shed light on how they are reshaping the approach to global development by transitioning from traditional project methods to a portfolio approach. Tune in as we unpack the need for…
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#90 - Enjoying Building Simple Products with Jason Fried
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53:20We are truly honored to host Jason Fried, co-founder of 37Signals and the mastermind behind Basecamp, and Hey for one of our deepest episodes. A leading critical voice in startup culture and product design, Jason delves into challenging conventional business approaches with a focus on simplicity, enjoyment, and nimbleness. In the second part of the…
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#89 - Why Building On Chain: The Case for Web3 with Jesse Walden
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49:29We talked Web3 with Jesse Walden, a true veteran in the crypto and blockchain space. All the conversation revolves around a deep question: why should we build on chain? Join us as Jesse shines a light on the path forward - and on the key outstanding questions for Web3. In this episode, we discuss the future of the internet with Jesse Walden - Found…
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#88 - Pioneering Digital Public Infrastructure in India with Arvind Gupta
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49:54We discuss India's digital evolution with Arvind Gupta, exploring the country's unique approach to digital inclusion and decentralized networks. Arvind shares his experiences from academia to the key ideas behind Digital Public Infrastructure, emphasizing digital empowerment. Tune in, and discover how India's digital model is not only redefining te…
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#87 BeyondFrames: Living the Networked Society with John Robb
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1:04:26John Robb, an expert in networked societies and tribal dynamics, returns to the podcast after more than three years, with some thought-challenging discussions. In this episode, Robb takes us through the inherent destructive nature of networked tribes and provides a unique perspective on our global civilizations trajectory. He touches on dissent dyn…
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#86 Scaling Continuous Discovery in Product Portfolios with Teresa Torres
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48:43We are elated to host Teresa Torres, the renowned product discovery coach behind Product Talk, on our podcast. Drawing from her vast experience, from her collaborations with industry giants like Spotify and Tesco, but also with small, nimble startup teams we discuss about implementing continuous discovery inside organizations, across teams, driven …
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#85 Product-Centric Organizations (Portfolios, Taxonomies) with Craig Strong
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54:55In this episode, we explore what a product-centric organization looks like, with our guest Craig Strong. Sharing his experience as a Global Practice Leader at AWS (Amazon Web Services) and seasoned Chief Technology & Product Officer, he helps us dive deeper into the nuances of adopting organizational designs, cultures, and practices that cater to p…
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#84 Gardening Platforms and the Future of Open Ecosystems with Alex Komoroske
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1:03:24In our first episode this season, we dive into the world of open platforms and the future of organizing. With his thought-provoking presentation of “Gardening Platforms,” our guest Alex Komoroske helps create a shift in mindset towards a more achievable and sustainable approach in creating impactful technology solutions. We explore his key learning…
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The Boundaryless Conversation Podcast: Season 5 is coming
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1:23We’re back at the Boundaryless Conversations Podcast, with an all new Season No. 5. Join us, as we bridge the worlds of technology, geopolitics, culture, and policymaking. We take a dive deep into the fabric of tomorrow's world, sharing inspiring stories from innovative organizations leading the way in product and platform development. Learn how to…
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Season Wrap Up: Emerging Questions on the Future of Platform Organizations
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19:52In this season wrap up, podcast hosts Simone Cicero and Stina Heikkilä talk about the new research compass of Boundaryless and ruminate on some of the gems of the season.Simone and Stina also share some highlights from the long list of episodes of the Boundaryless Conversations podcast — almost 90 and counting! — and provide some pointers for futur…
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S04 Ep. 20 Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky - A Situational Update on our Ecosystemic Future
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54:38In this season’s final episode, we talk to Bill Fischer and Lisa Gansky about how our old ideas of what's normal are disappearing. There is a need to bridge the gap between old and emerging systems, encouraging exploration and experimentation to unlock our Ecosystemic Future. Bill Fischer has spent his entire career involved in innovation, from bei…
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S04 Ep. 19 Justice Conder - Smart Contracts: eating the 1st Mile of Agile Organizations
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1:00:07In this episode, we dive into the world of smart contracts and their remarkable impact on organizational design. Our guest, Justice Conder, provides a thought-provoking introduction to what he calls the third law of nature of smart contracts. We explore the transformative journey from traditional corporations to the realm of Decentralized Autonomou…
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S04 Ep. 18 Design in the 2020s: More Agency, Less Control with Christian Bason
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54:35Join us in our latest podcast episode as we delve into the world of design with Dr. Christian Bason, CEO of the Danish Design Center. We explore the crucial role of how we think - the “thinking” part of design thinking - in addressing global challenges. Drawing from one of his latest books, "Expand: Stretching the Future By Design," co-authored wit…
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S04 Ep. 17 Nafeez Ahmed - Organizing for a Decade of Global Phase-Shift
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1:04:34Dr. Nafeez Ahmed joins the show to share his insights about the disruptive nature of technological progress and how it impacts society. He highlights the transformation of five fundamental production sectors—energy, transport, food, information, and materials—urging organizations to prepare for a decade of global phase shift. In this episode, Dr. N…
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S04 Ep. 16. Spela Prijon and Sascha Kellert - 4 dimensions of Ownership Economy: Ownco
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42:55Špela Prijon and Sascha Kellert join us to share the latest news from Ownco - a platform that combines the best aspects of cooperatives, DAOs, and traditional startups to make shared ownership and the ownership economy more fluid and accessible. Ownco’s approach to distributing ownership moves along four key dimensions - Upsides, Status, Influence,…
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S04 EP. 15 Mark van Rijmenam - Navigating Hype Cycles in Tech: Communities, Prototyping, and Convergence
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48:35In this new episode of the Boundaryless Conversation Podcast, Mark van Rijmenam examines the hype cycle surrounding AI and the perceived decline of interest in the Metaverse. He argues that these emerging technologies are not mutually exclusive and that the Metaverse still has significant potential for development with the application of AI. Dr. Ma…
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S04 Ep. 14. Barry O’Reilly Software architecture for a rapidly changing world
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53:38Most software architects represent the environment in a very static way, and from that static representation, produce static software. As a result, the software structure they create is like a picture of a picture…used to describe what is actually a movie. This problem, rooted in a mechanistic worldview, is where Barry O'Reilly’s Residuality Theory…
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S04 Ep. 13. Joni Baboci - Cities in Flux: from Bureaucratic control to Participatory Ecosystems
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53:56In this podcast, we dive into the shift towards a more decentralized and organic approach to city planning with Joni Baboci, an architect, planner, and urban enthusiast. We discuss how the modernist paradigm of deconstructing everything into individual parts and putting them back together linearly is becoming less relevant. Instead, we see a shift …
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S04 Ep. 12. Alberto Brandolini - On Domain-Driven Design and the challenges of reaching Agreements
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55:13Alberto Brandolini joins the podcast as a sparring partner in our exploration of one of the most “burning” issues in our research: the intrinsic links between language, software, and organizational design. We explore the role of domain-driven design and, more generally, the role of visualization and context mapping in the process we call "ontologic…
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S04 Ep. 11. Geoff Mulgan - Architecting the next generation of Institutions
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43:45In this episode, we are joined by Sir Geoff Mulgan to explore the potential of an emergent discipline of organizational architecture, where the diversity of organizational models and their features are studied and assessed in a more robust and systematic way—similar to the field of building architecture. Sir Geoff Mulgan CBE is a Professor of Colle…
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