Best Center for Trauma and Embodiment Podcasts (2025)

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Unlocking The Deep Structures of Scripture: The Bible's Unified Message (Joshua Berman) Ep. #221 45:37

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What if the Bible was written with deep structural patterns designed to echo across generations—economically and theologically? In this riveting episode, Dr. Joshua Berman joins Dru Johnson to reveal how literary design, verbal repetition, and cultural continuity make the Bible not a patchwork, but a carefully composed unity. Through examples rangi…

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Attachment Theory, God’s Presence, & The Image of God: How God Heals Us (Geoff Holsclaw) Ep. #220 50:47

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What does attachment theory have to do with discipleship, theology, or the church? According to Dr. Geoff Holsclaw, more than we realize. In this episode, Holsclaw—a pastor, theologian, and co-author of Landscapes of the Soul—joins Dru Johnson to explore how neuroscience and interpersonal attachment can illuminate both human development and the bib…

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Pharisees, Torah, and Sacrifice: What We Miss When We Misread the Law (Paul Sloan) Ep. #219 47:10

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Did Jesus come to cancel the Law of Moses—or fulfill it? In this compelling episode, Dr. Paul Sloan joins Dru Johnson to challenge one of the most persistent misunderstandings in modern Christianity: the idea that Jesus and Paul opposed the Torah. Drawing from his book Jesus and the Law of Moses, Sloan explains how legalism, misunderstanding of imp…

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Is "Eye For An Eye" Christian? Jesus, Justice, and The Limits of Vengeance (Dru Johnson) Ep. #218 46:47

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“Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.” We’ve all heard the phrase—but what does it actually mean in the Bible? In this episode, Mike Tolliver and Dr. Dru Johnson unpack the principle of Talion—Lex Talionis—and show why it’s one of the most misunderstood elements of biblical justice. They trace the concept across Leviticus, Exodus, and Deuteronomy, ex…

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Feasting on Hope: Sacraments, Trauma, and Formation in the Church (Hannah King) Ep. #217 42:30

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Is communion just a symbolic snack—or a mysterious, formative act of grace? In this episode, Rev. Hannah King, an Anglican priest and author of the upcoming Feasting on a Hope: How God Sets a Table in the Wilderness, joins Dru Johnson to explore why the Lord’s Supper is essential for the Christian life. Hannah shares her journey from evangelical ch…

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Theology in the Mother Tongue: Oral Bible Translation and Embodied Faith (Fausto Liriano) Ep. #216 49:11

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What if the Bible isn’t something you read—but something you hear, memorize, and perform? In this groundbreaking episode, Dr. Fausto Liriano shares his work translating the Bible into indigenous languages without writing it down. Through oral Bible translation projects in Guatemala, Mexico, and the Philippines, Dr. Liriano helps communities interna…

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The Illusion of Intelligence: Why AI Can’t Replace Embodied Life (Noreen Herzfeld) Ep. #215 36:31

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Is AI intelligent—or just artificial? In this provocative episode, Dr. Noreen Herzfeld, a rare scholar of both computer science and theology, joins Dru Johnson to expose what most people overlook about artificial intelligence. Drawing from her recent book The Artifice of Intelligence, she challenges the mythology of AGI (artificial general intellig…

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Becoming God’s Family: Against Church Hurt, Isolation, and Autonomy (Carmen Imes) Ep. #214 45:01

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Can you be a Christian without the church? In this timely episode, Dr. Carmen Imes argues forcefully—and pastorally—that Christianity without community is a contradiction. Drawing from her new book Becoming God’s Family, she and Dru Johnson explore why so many people are walking away from church and what it would take to draw them back. From church…

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Literature and Idealism: Or, How The Bible Is A "Thick" Story (Karen Swallow Prior) Ep. #213 41:14

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What do Tolkien, vocation, and gritty literature have in common? In this conversation, Dru Johnson talks with literary scholar Dr. Karen Swallow Prior about why Christians often gravitate toward fantasy and romantic ideals—and why that can be a problem. Karen critiques the elevation of genre fiction like The Lord of the Rings as literary canon and …

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Tribes, States, & Empires: Scripture’s Vision for a Virtuous Political Order (Yoram Hazony) Ep. #212 1:06:49

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In this second conversation with political philosopher Yoram Hazony, we dive deeper into the biblical concept of nationhood, wrestling with listener-submitted questions on nationalism, empire, and political virtue. Hazony responds to critiques and clarifies his position: biblical nationalism is not about racial purity or imperialism, but about the …

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Just War, Christianity, and The Call to Serve: The Ethics of Military Service (Darren Duke) Ep #211 43:28

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Should Christians serve in the military? In this sobering and nuanced episode, Dru Johnson sits down with retired Colonel Darren Duke—Marine Corps Special Operations commander and intelligence officer—to unpack this deeply personal and morally complex question. Drawing from over 30 years of military experience, Duke shares his evolving view of mili…

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Redefining Fitness & Empowering Movement ft. Candace Liger 54:22

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In this episode, Jenn is joined by Candace Liger—fitness coach, activist, founder of The Center for Body Autonomy and Co-Director of Trauma Informed Weight Lifting. Candace shares how movement can serve as a powerful tool for healing, resistance, and liberation. Drawing from her personal history, including a family legacy of muscular dystrophy and …

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Building a Movement: Why the Church Needs Hebraic Thought—and What We’re Doing About It Ep. #210 28:57

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In this update episode, Dru Johnson and Mike Tolliver pull back the curtain on the work happening at the Center for Hebraic Thought. From filing 501(c)(3) nonprofit status and building a stellar advisory board, to launching a redesigned website and reviving in-person workshops, the CHT has been quietly preparing for long-term growth and broader inf…

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Jesus Under Every Rock? Rethinking Christ-Centered Reading & Preaching (Chris Wright) Ep #209 46:15

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Should Christians look for Jesus in every verse of the Old Testament—or are we missing the point when we do? In this wide-ranging and practical conversation, Dr. Christopher J. H. Wright, Langham Partnership’s Global Ambassador and one of the world’s leading Old Testament scholars, joins Dru Johnson to explore the difference between Christocentric …

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Breaking Cycles: Courage, Curiosity & Love ft. Lee Hawkins Jr 1:04:44

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In this powerful episode, journalist and author Lee Hawkins joins Jenn Turner to explore the deep and far-reaching impact of intergenerational trauma. Drawing from his book I Am Nobody’s Slave, Hawkins shares his personal journey of uncovering his family's hidden history, including generations of racial violence, land theft, and silence around loss…

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The NAR, Power, and Prophecy: Inside America’s Forgotten Christian Movement (Matthew Taylor) Ep. #208 53:00

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What if the most politically influential Christian leaders in America aren’t the ones you’ve heard of? In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Matthew D. Taylor joins Dru Johnson to explain how the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and related charismatic networks reshaped modern evangelicalism—and helped deliver the presidency to Donald Trump. Taylor,…

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Hollywood, Scripture, and Politics: Joan Didion and the Power of Story (Alissa Wilkinson) Ep. #207 47:54

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What do Hollywood, Joan Didion, and the Bible have in common? More than you’d expect. In this episode, New York Times film critic and author Alissa Wilkinson joins Dru Johnson to discuss the life, work, and worldview of Joan Didion, one of the most influential American writers of the 20th century. Wilkinson’s new book, We Tell Ourselves Stories, ex…

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Accessible Yoga: Creating Space to Explore New Perspectives ft. Jivana Heyman 45:51

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In this rich and heartfelt conversation, Jenn is joined by Jivana Heyman—founder of Accessible Yoga and a longtime activist whose work began during the HIV/AIDS crisis in San Francisco. Together, they explore what it means to truly make yoga inclusive—not just in theory, but in real, embodied practice. Jivana shares how his personal journey, shaped…

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Wine, Worship, and Craftsmanship: A Biblical Theology of Alcohol (John Dunne) Ep #206 48:40

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Was wine in the Bible just a calorie source—or something far richer? In this fascinating conversation, Dr. John Anthony Dunne, author of The Mountain Shall Drip Sweet Wine: A Biblical Theology of Alcohol, joins Dru Johnson to explore how wine and alcohol shaped ancient Israel’s culture, theology, and imagination. Dr. Dunne traces how biblical wine …

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Is Nationalism Biblical? Yoram Hazony on Nations, Empires, and Justice (Yoram Hazony) Ep. #205 55:26

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Is nationalism always bad—or does the Bible have a more nuanced view of nations, borders, and political life? In this fascinating episode, Israeli philosopher Yoram Hazony joins Dru Johnson to explore the political vision of the Old Testament, from the Table of Nations in Genesis to the prophetic hope of nations learning from Israel in peace. Hazon…

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Do You See What I See? Worship, Joint Attention, and Being Human (Cockayne & Salter) Ep. #204 46:16

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Is church just a place to think about God—or are we wired to worship together? In this groundbreaking episode, theologian Dr. Josh Cockayne and developmental psychologist Dr. Gideon Salter join Dru Johnson to explore how human beings are made for joint attention, and why gathering for worship is a deeply embodied, social necessity. Drawing from the…

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Embodying Love Through Somatic Healing ft. Ayanna Freedom, LICSW 45:45

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This week, Jenn chats with Ayanna Freedom who shares her journey into somatic healing, emphasizing the importance of understanding trauma as a bodily experience rather than just a mental one, and truly embodying love. She discusses the challenges faced by BIPOC individuals in accessing holistic healing and the need for integrated approaches that ad…

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How Artists Think Biblically: Liturgies, Ritual, and the Weight of Words (Douglas McKelvey) Ep. #203 56:40

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What gives someone the right to script your prayers? In this powerful conversation, Douglas McKelvey, author of the bestselling Every Moment Holy liturgical series, joins Dru Johnson to unpack the spiritual and theological journey behind his work. From a childhood steeped in neo-charismatic theology to a disillusioning college experience at Oral Ro…

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Is Abraham a Hero or a Warning? How Genre Makes or Breaks Your Bible Reading (Andy Judd) Ep. #202 57:29

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What if our biggest biblical misunderstandings come from reading the right words in the wrong way? In this episode, Old Testament scholar Dr. Andy Judd joins Dru Johnson to unravel the complex and often misused concept of genre in biblical interpretation. Drawing from his background in English literature and law, Dr. Judd explains how many theologi…

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Healing Grief with Embodied Storytelling ft. Peggy J. Bowers, Ph.D. 49:22

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EPISODE CONTENT WARNINGS: 05:37 Sudden Death of Child 12:29 Mentions of Food Restriction Jenn Turner, LMHC sits down with Peggy J. Bowers, Ph.D. for an impactful and vulnerable conversation as they delve into the profound themes of trauma, healing, and the power of storytelling, particularly through literature. They explore how narratives can help …

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Storge, Justice, and the Ten Commandments: Rethinking Biblical Love (Mike Tolliver) Ep. #201 53:27

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Is loving your family first a biblical idea—or a betrayal of Jesus’ call to love your neighbor? In this thought-provoking episode, Mike Tolliver—Executive Director of the Center for Hebraic Thought—joins Dru Johnson to explore his developing PhD thesis on Storge (family love), the kinsman-redeemer, and what biblical justice actually looks like. Dra…

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Managing Fame, Faith, and the Stage: Inside the (Christian) Music Industry (Nick Barre) Ep. #200 53:40

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What does it mean to call something “Christian music”? Nick Barré has spent decades in the music industry—from working at EMI with early Switchfoot to managing major names like Casting Crowns, KB, Brandon Heath, and more. In this 200th episode of The Biblical Mind, he joins Dru Johnson to reflect on the Christian music label, the tension between ca…

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Parenting, Life Pitfalls & Positivity ft. Natalie Silverstein, MPH 43:22

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Natalie Silverstein, MPH joins Jenn Turner, LMHC for an impactful and vulnerable conversation as they dive into the complexities of parenting in a challenging world, the importance of facing difficult realities, and the transformative power of turning personal struggles into positive action. Natalie shares her journey as a mother and advocate, part…

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Why Intellectual Humility Is the Key to Understanding Scripture (Matt Whitman) Ep. #199 1:00:06

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In this episode, Dr. Dru Johnson sits down with Matt Whitman, host of The Ten Minute Bible Hour, to explore why so many Christians—and skeptics—struggle with Scripture. Whitman shares what he’s learned from engaging millions online: people are often afraid to be wrong, shaped by graceless experiences in church and cancel culture in the wider world.…

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Evolution and Identity: A Jewish Perspective on Science and Belief (Rachel Pear) Ep. #198 52:41

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What happens when science, religion, and education collide? In this episode, Dr. Rachel Pear shares her remarkable journey from growing up in New York’s modern Orthodox Jewish community to researching how evolution is taught and received across Israeli society. A scholar of science education and prehistoric archaeology, Rachel discusses how Jewish,…

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Adaptive Yoga: Healing for Every Body ft. Rodrigo Souza 44:21

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In this profound and vulnerable conversation, Jenn and Rodrigo explore the transformative power of adaptive yoga, particularly for individuals who have experienced trauma and disability. Rodrigo shares his personal journey from a physical yoga practice to a more thoughtful, spiritual approach after his spinal cord injury. They discuss the coexisten…

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Is Evolution a Dirty Word? Muslim Perspectives on Science and Religion (Shoaib Malik) Ep. #197 54:02

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Is the relationship between Islam and science as well-developed as it is in Christianity? Not even close—but that’s changing. In this episode, Dr. Shoaib Ahmed Malik, Lecturer in Science and Religion at the University of Edinburgh, joins Dru Johnson to share the emerging field of Islam and science, focusing on the hot topic of evolution. Shoaib unp…

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Can Muslims, Jews, and Christians Talk About Science and Scripture? (Dru Johnson) Ep. #196 37:01

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What happens when you put 15 scholars—scientists and theologians, Muslim, Jewish, and Christian—in a room to talk about creation? In this episode of The Biblical Mind Podcast, Dr. Dru Johnson shares his experience launching the Abrahamic Theistic Origins Project in Oxford. Far from being a formal academic conference, the gathering focused on “endur…

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When Patients Empower The Self ft. Dr. Desmonette Hazly 54:32

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In this enlightening and powerful conversation, Dr. Desmonette Hazly and Jenn explore the multifaceted nature of trauma and healing. They discuss the importance of mindfulness practices, the stigma surrounding mental health care, and the need for a trauma-informed approach that empowers individuals. Dr. Hazly emphasizes the significance of communit…

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Syndicated: Jesus and Jewish Law (Logan Williams and Paul Sloan) Ep. #195 21:58

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Was the Mosaic Law a burdensome set of rules meant to be broken? Did Jesus overthrow the Torah—or fulfill it? In this special episode of The Biblical Mind Podcast, we revisit the pilot episode of the Jesus and the Jewish Law podcast, hosted by Paul Sloan and Logan Williams. Together, they walk through seven widespread misconceptions about the Law a…

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ICYMI - Wisdom of Primal Peoples in the Era of World Christianity (Jangkholam Haokip) Ep. #194 32:37

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This episode was originally published on November 11, 2022. We thought it was worth a reissue for our newer listeners. Christianity is a truly global religion, and every strand of Christianity has its own theological emphases. Western Christians tend to focus on individual salvation and the question of what happens when we die. But as we amplify ot…

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Community Care and Mind-Body Healing ft. Dr. Viann Nguyen-Feng 40:52

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Dr. Viann Nguyen-Feng shares her insights on community engagement, the mind-body connection, and the importance of research in counseling psychology. She shares with Jenn her origin story and personal journey into the field, the significance of cultural heritage in her practices, the significance of the min-body connection, and the role of communit…

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Is God Really Unchanging? Challenging Classical Theism’s View of God (R.T. Mullins) Ep. #193 1:04:16

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Is God emotionless and unchanging? Many systematic theologians have long argued that God is completely impassible—meaning He cannot feel, suffer, or be influenced by creation. But is this truly what the Bible teaches? In this episode, Dr. R.T. Mullins joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to challenge traditional ideas about God’s nature, emotions, and e…

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Embracing Change: Racial Equity and Well-Being in Transformational Leadership with Dr. Venessa Perry 1:01:06

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Welcome back to another insightful episode of Embodied Justice. Today, host Dr. Judy Lubin is joined by Dr. Venessa M. Perry, an esteemed organizational psychologist, executive coach, and racial equity leader. With over 25 years of experience, Dr. Perry has dedicated her career to fostering transformational change in public health, leadership devel…

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Why We Struggle to Read the Bible—And How to Fix It (Alex Goodwin) Ep. #192 44:32

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What if the way we format and structure the Bible is actually making it harder to read? In this episode, Alex Goodwin joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to discuss how chapter breaks, verse numbers, and footnotes—while useful for study—can actually disrupt the natural flow of Scripture. Alex shares his journey from marketing to Bible publishing, how h…

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Transforming Education & Work-Culture with Trauma Awareness ft. Dr. Tiffany Johnson 48:41

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Dr. Tiffany Johnson, Associate Professor of Organizational Behavior at Georgia Tech University joins your host, Jenn Turner, LMHC to explore the integration of trauma-informed practices within organizational behavior and academia. They discuss the importance of grounding in the present moment, the impact of racial and gender norms in the workplace,…

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Faith, Politics, and Media: Rethinking Christian Political Involvement (Kaitlyn Schiess) Ep. #191 50:40

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Are we mistaking media consumption for political engagement? In this episode, Kaitlyn Schiess joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to challenge the way Christians think about politics, faith, and media. She explains why binge-watching C-SPAN or endlessly scrolling Twitter doesn’t make us politically engaged—but actually forms us into people less capable…

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From the Five Percent Nation to Biblical Scholar: CHT Fellow Hakeem Bradley Ep. #190 46:01

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What if the Bible isn’t meant to be neatly packaged and easily explained? In this episode, CHT Fellow Hakeem Bradley joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to discuss how engaging scripture means leaning into tension rather than eliminating it. He explains why asking better questions leads to deeper understanding and why forcing Jesus into every Old Testa…

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Discovering the Power in Embodied Healing with Dave Emerson, YACEP 46:25

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Dave Emerson, YACEP, co-founder of Center for Trauma and Embodiment joins co-founder and your host, Jenn Turner, LMHC to discuss Dave's journey into trauma work, the importance of relational dynamics in healing, and the need for research to validate yoga as a treatment for PTSD. The conversation highlights the significance of feedback, accountabili…

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The Contemporary Worship Music Pipeline, or "Where Did The Psalms Go?" (Marc Jolicoeur) Ep. #189 1:08:17

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Who decides what worship songs we sing in church? It turns out, worship music is a massive industry, and the way songs make it from a Nashville songwriting room to a Sunday morning service might surprise you. In this episode, Marc Jolicoeur joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to break down the business of contemporary worship music (CWM). He explains h…

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Listening to the Bible: Why Scripture Was Meant to Be Heard (Dru Johnson) Ep. #188 17:38

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Most of us read the Bible with our eyes—but what if we’re missing something essential by not listening to it? In this episode, Dr. Dru Johnson challenges the modern tendency to engage Scripture primarily as a written text, arguing that the Bible was designed to be heard. From the Torah readings of Moses to the public proclamation of Paul's letters,…

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The Rapture, the Mark of the Beast, & Christian Eschatology—Fact & Fiction (Matt Halsted) Ep. #187 1:01:37

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What if much of what we believe about the end times is shaped more by modern speculation than by biblical theology? In this episode, Dr. Matthew L. Halsted joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to debunk common misconceptions about eschatology, including the rapture, the mark of the beast, and the role of the Middle East in biblical prophecy. Halsted and…

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How Scripture Reads Scripture: Understanding Biblical Intertextuality (Brent Strawn) Ep. #186 48:08

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How does the Bible interpret itself? In this episode, Dr. Brent Strawn joins The Biblical Mind Podcast to explore intertextuality—the ways biblical authors intentionally or unconsciously connect their writings to earlier texts. Strawn breaks down different types of intertextuality, from direct citations (like Jesus quoting Psalm 22) to subtle patte…

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Rethinking Justice and Belonging in Times of Crisis with Bayo Akomolafe 51:20

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In the premiere episode of Embodied Justice's second season, host Dr. Judy Lubin sits down with the talented Bayo Akomolafe. A speaker, poet, and philosopher, Bayo is renowned for his thought-provoking perspectives on global crisis, social change, and the transformative potential of embracing chaos. Together, they dissect the exhaustion often felt …

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American Christian Nationalism and the Way of Jesus (Caleb E. Campbell) Ep. #185 1:05:12

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What if Christian nationalism isn’t a head problem but a heart problem? In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Dru Johnson speaks with Caleb Campbell, author of Disarming Leviathan, about the rise of Christian nationalism in America and how Christians can engage this movement missionally rather than combatively. Campbell discusses the anxieties tha…

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