Join the Association of Outdoor Recreation and Education (AORE) as we dive into topics to help you advance your career in the outdoors. Thank you for our Advancing the Outdoor Professional jingle Demyan Hryciw!
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G.O. Get Outside: The Podcast is a radio-style interview show for people who want to spend more time outdoors. Each episode of G.O. delves into the outdoor lifestyle of some everyday person who probably has more in common with you than you think. Whether you are BASE jumping off a flying unicorn or hiking around your neighborhood in between diaper changes, you have a place here.
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So You Want to Bring Trauma-Informed Approaches to Your Work?
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38:30In this conversation, Candace Brendler speaks with Elizabeth Allen, the Director of Impact and Learning at Justice Outside. They discuss the mission of Justice Outside, Elizabeth's career journey in trauma-informed practices, and the importance of creating inclusive outdoor experiences. Elizabeth shares insights into her daily work, the significanc…
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In this conversation, Candace Brendler interviews John Lacroix, the race director of the Human Potential Running Series, discussing the multifaceted role of a race director, the importance of risk management, community building through volunteerism, and the unique challenges of organizing trail running events. John shares insights into his career j…
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So You Want to Create Awesome Youth Leadership Development Programs?
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43:14In this conversation, Candace Brendler speaks with Elliot Drake-Maurer, the High School Leader Coordinator for the Oregon State University Extension Outdoor School. They discuss the structure and impact of outdoor education programs, the role of high school leaders, and the importance of inclusivity in outdoor experiences. Elliot shares his career …
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So You Want to Operate a Mobile Wilderness Program?
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47:51In this conversation, Candace Brendler speaks with Micah Leinbach, the executive director of the BOAT Bus, about the innovative mobile wilderness program designed to make outdoor education more accessible. They discuss the importance of inclusion in outdoor recreation, the unique model of the BOAT Bus, and the challenges and strategies related to f…
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So You Want to Use Data Science to Create Accessible Environments?
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34:22In this conversation, Candace Brendler speaks with Courtney Schultz, PhD, about the intersection of data science and accessibility in outdoor environments. They discuss the importance of using data to create inclusive spaces, the role of research in understanding community needs, and the necessity of innovative approaches to surveying and data coll…
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So You Want to Create Adaptive Recreation Opportunities?
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37:10Check out Candace Brendler's conversation with Joe Stone, co-owner of Dovetail Trails Consulting, about the importance of creating adaptive and accessible recreation opportunities for people with disabilities. They discuss the role of Dovetail in advocating for disability rights, the challenges faced in making trails accessible, and the significanc…
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So You Want to Run an Urban Outdoor Experiential Nonprofit?
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24:22Join Candace Brendler as she chats with Heather West, Executive Director of Loop NOLA. Heather shares insights into the operations of her nonprofit, which focuses on outdoor adventure education for youth in New Orleans. She discusses her career journey, the challenges of running an urban outdoor nonprofit, and the importance of inclusivity in outdo…
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In this episode, Candace Brendler speaks with Aaryn Kay and Mike Passo about the Trail Skills Project and the evolving landscape of trail building careers. They discuss their personal journeys into the trail industry, the importance of workforce development, and the role of volunteers in maintaining and building trails. The conversation also touche…
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Check out our first live recording of a podcast while at the 2024 Outdoor Professional Conference in New Orleans. This conversation focuses on the management of a university climbing wall at James Madison University (JMU), highlighting the roles of student staff, the daily operations, and the importance of community and inclusivity in climbing. The…
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In this conversation, Candace Brendler interviews Jeannette Stawski, the Executive Director of AORE, discussing her journey to leadership in outdoor education, the importance of credentials, the daily responsibilities of an executive director, and the significance of professional development and community building in the outdoor leadership space. J…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: The Importance of Intentional Leadership
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40:22In this conversation the two Advancing the Outdoor Professional podcast hosts connection about outdoor leadership. Jeannette Stawski interviews Candace Brendler, exploring her journey in outdoor leadership and student development. Candace shares her experiences as a program coordinator at Princeton University, her passion for working with students,…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: The Outdoor Champion
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26:37In this engaging conversation, Jeannette Stawski interviews Jenny Hill, the manager of membership and administration at AORE. They discuss Jenny's journey, her role in AORE, and the new initiative called the Outdoor Champion, which aims to create a community for individuals passionate about the outdoors. The conversation emphasizes the importance o…
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So You Want to Be a Leave No Trace Instructor?
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36:25In this conversation, Candace Brendler interviews JD Tanner, Director of Education and Training at Leave No Trace, about his journey and experiences in outdoor education. JD shares his path to becoming an instructor, the role of traveling trainers, and the different levels of Leave No Trace certification. He discusses the importance of inclusivity …
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: Transformative Leadership Skills with Humanergy
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43:55In this conversation, David Wheatley, founder of Humanergy, shares his journey into leadership development, emphasizing the importance of intentional training and experiential learning. He discusses the HILT program, designed to facilitate behavior change in leaders, and reflects on the common challenges faced by those transitioning into leadership…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: Outdoor Recreation Roundtable
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33:10Join Jeannette Stawski as she chats with Chris Perkins to discuss the Outdoor Recreation Roundtable (ORR) and its recent report on recreation funding. Chris emphasizes the importance of outdoor recreation for physical and mental health, community connection, and economic impact. The discussion covers the challenges faced in maintaining outdoor infr…
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Season 6 of the podcast comes to an end with five varied stories of adventure. Prepare yourself for tales from previous guests Jane Fontana, Mark Fitzsimmons, Bill Sharpsteen, Pamela Zoolalian, and Jesse St. Louis. Hear about a dreadful hiking discovery, unexpected encounters when jogging, the dangers in a wildfire recovery area, self discovery on …
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GO 127 - Forest Life With Llama Mama Pamela Zoolalian
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1:39:27The return of Pamela Zoolalian (G.O. 013)—extreme athlete turned introspective nature steward. Modern day Pamela finds rewards as an adventure guide, outdoor educator, llama mama, ski patrol team member, and volunteer forest ranger. Jason joined her at her cabin in the Angeles Forest to discuss the impacts of wildfires, the realities of maintaining…
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GO 126 - Christopher R Abbey of Explore More Films
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1:24:15Christopher R Abbey’s suburban childhood enamored him with roadtripping. A job at an amusement park in early adulthood became a catalyst that launched him across the United States while he developed a career in entertainment. A friend at a cross-fit gym in Los Angeles opened a new chapter in Chris’ life when he introduced him to backpacking in the …
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GO 125 - Jeannette Stawski, The Outdoor Leader, Returns
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1:10:09Previous guest (G.O. 017) Jeannette Stawski returns to the podcast! She and Jason spoke via the internet one morning about the latest initiatives from AORE, an engrossing family roadtrip to Alaska, her continued pursuit of open water swimming, and the process of writing her first book, The Outdoor Leader. LINKS: https://www.leadingvaliantly.com htt…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: JOREL - Not Superman’s Father!
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35:02Learn more about the Journal of Outdoor Recreation, Education and Leadership (JOREL) for our final podcast of season one! In this conversation, Guy Debrun discusses the JOREL with Jeannette Stawski. He shares his own outdoor adventures and explains his role as a lecturer in sports and recreation management. They discuss the importance of research i…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: What You Need to Know About the EXPLORE Act
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45:28In this conversation, Jeannette Stawski talks with Paul Sanford about the EXPLORE Act (H.R. 6492), federal legislation that aims to expand recreation opportunities on federal lands and waters. The EXPLORE Act (H.R. 6492) combines various recreation bills into one package and addresses issues such as equitable access, modernizing recreation faciliti…
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GO 124 - Capturing Nature With Alpacapreneur Wasim Muklashy
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1:13:46Wasim Muklashy discovered his love for the outdoor world as an adult living in Topanga Canyon. This newfound appreciation would inspire him to build a career as a nature photographer and to get involved with environmental causes. Living in a barn during Covid lockdowns introduced him to the world of alpaca entrepreneurship. Jason and Wasim spoke on…
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So You Want to Host a Latino Conservation Week Event?
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37:58If you are interested in learning more about Latino Conservation week and how you can get involved, listen in as guest Jessica Godinez from the Hispanic Access Foundation shares with Candace Brendler how you can host an event. Latino Conservation Week (LCW) is a national initiative hosted by Hispanic Access Foundation to celebrate the Latino commun…
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In this episode, Anthony Iracki, the professional development manager at Playcore, discusses his career in parks and recreation and how it intersects with outdoor recreation. He shares with podcast host Candace Brendler his journey from working in local parks and recreation departments to his current role in professional development. Anthony emphas…
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GO 123 - Racing to Nature With Marilee Valkass
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1:11:52Marilee Valkass owes her love of nature to her father who introduced her to the deserts and mountains of California at a young age. This fascination has guided her life—leading her down the snowy slopes of Mammoth, cross country in cycling races, and into wilderness areas with her backpack. Jason and Marilee spoke one day in the hills of Bend, OR a…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: Establishing the Center for Veterans Employment (CVEO)
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28:19In this episode, Jeannette Stawski interviews Aaron Leonard about the Center for Veterans Employment in the Outdoors (CVEO). Aaron shares his background in the outdoor adventure and experiential education field and how he ended up working with Guardian Revival, an organization focused on the health and wellbeing of veterans and first responders. He…
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GO 122 - Taking Less With Glen Van Peski of Gossamer Gear
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1:10:20Glen Van Peski is a retired engineer best know for accidentally starting the ultralight backpacking company Gossamer Gear. He recently published take less. do more., a book reflecting on his adventures in life and nature and how they’ve lead him to gratitude and generosity. Jason and Glen spoke one morning about a boyhood cross-country cycling trip…
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GO 121 - Tiny Home Dweller Morgan McShea Connects With Nature
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1:19:14Morgan McShea chased her passions for fashion and filmmaking, but ultimately found disillusionment instead. She unexpectedly discovered a greater purpose in the natural environments of the Pacific Northwest. Jason and Morgan sat on the porch of her tiny home one afternoon discussing her path to sustainable practices, the value of forest bathing, wh…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: The Confluence of States - Outdoor Recreation Offices Update
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29:34Join us as podcast host and AORE Executive Director Jeannette Stawski interviews Maribel Castañeda about the Confluence of States, a bipartisan network of state leaders advancing the outdoor recreation industry. Maribel discusses her role as the manager for the Confluence and her love for the outdoors. Jeannette and Maribel talk about the creation …
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GO 120 - Documenting Adventure With Bill Sharpsteen of Mr. Hall’s Trail Guide
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1:39:41Cub Scout Drop-out Bill Sharpsteen became enamored with outdoor exploration on a high school backpacking trip. His inquisitive sensibilities and desire for adventure lead him to a career as a journalist, photographer, and documentary producer. His latest project is the YouTube channel Mr. Hall’s Trail Guide, a video resource to numerous hiking trai…
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So You Want to Start a Regional Bikepacking Community?
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37:02What is bike packing? Bikepacking is a form of long-distance cycling that involves traveling off-road and camping along the way. Join host Candace Brendler as she chats with Jacob T. Rex, the community programs coordinator at Bikepacking Roots. Jacob and Candace discuss the concept of regional bikepacking communities and the work being done by Bike…
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Changemakers and Trailblazers: The Importance of In-Person Hands-On Learning in Wilderness Medicine
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39:54In this conversation, Jeannette Stawski is joined by Abby Rowe and Nadia Kimmel to discuss the importance of in-person, hands-on learning in wilderness medicine. They also discuss the Wilderness Medicine Education Collaborative (WMEC), which sets standards for wilderness medicine certifications. They explain that there is currently no industry stan…
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So You Want to Be an Inclusive Risk Manager?
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41:53Let’s talk about the interdependence of emotional and physical safety in program design and the importance of creating a collaborative and inclusive environment. In this podcast episode, host Candace Brendler is joined by Steve Smith and Christine Norton to discuss trauma-informed risk management. It is important to prioritize program participants'…
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GO 119 - Canyons Are Calling Shirlz Jocelyn
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1:13:40Utah native Shirlz Jocelyn was introduced to canyoneering in 2010, a moment that would alter the course of her future. Her love for the sport would lead her to a stint as a canyon guide, an ongoing job with Imlay Canyon Gear, and the drive to produce a canyoneering focused podcast. She and Jason spoke one evening in Kanab about the draw of canyons,…
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So you want to WORK at an Inclusive Outdoor Outfitter: What to Look For and How to Prep in the Field
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39:25What does inclusion mean when we're talking about how to look for an inclusive outdoor work environment? Working in the outdoor industry is unique because you're not only doing the job, you could be living with your coworkers and spending time away from the organization’s basecamp. Do you feel safe on the job? Do you see others that look like you —…
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GO 118 - Be Infamous With Jesse St. Louis
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1:11:10Jesse St. Louis has always been enamored with the chaos of moving water. Yet, an obsessive pursuit of his acting career kept him blind to the natural world around him for many years. A fateful experience atop a waterfall in L.A. would inspire him to reevaluate his identity—ultimately leading him on a path to exploration and adventure travel. Jason …
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So you want to CREATE an Inclusive Outdoor Working Environment?
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42:39Leaders! This one's for you! Are you truly doing the best you can when creating an inclusive working environment? Are you creating a psychologically safe place for your employees? How do you know? Join podcast host Candace Brendler as she chats with two members of the A-DASH Collaborative, Jim Miller of Respect Outside and Emily Ambrose of Engage C…
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GO 117 - Fun Facts With Super Spy Jessica Leila
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1:45:26Jessica Leila grew up with parents who wanted her to have every opportunity they had not. Her childhood was filled with love, world travel, and every extracurricular activity imaginable. Despite this, she still struggled with anxiety and an underlying anger. Joining a caving grotto in adulthood would introduce her to a new set of challenging outdoo…
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Interested in learning about managing risk in the outdoors? Join us as our podcast host chats with Steve Smith, founder of Experiential Consulting, LLC as they discuss his career path and how you can also manage risk in the outdoors. Check out Steve's book Beneficial Risks: The Evolution of Risk Management for Outdoor and Experiential Education Pro…
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BONUS05 - Hometown Explorers: Highland Park, IL With Joe Reinstein
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17:39Joe Reinstein has accepted the Wonder Outside 3X3 Challenge! Listen as he shares easily accessible outdoor adventures within 3 minutes, 30 minutes, and 3 hours of his home in Highland Park, IL. Learn about: • Open Lands Lakeshore Preserve at Fort Sheridan • Millennium Park • Kettle Moraine State Forest Watch the video version of this episode at: ht…
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Join Candace Brendler Coordinator for Outdoor Action at Princeton University and Rachel Hailey, Founder and Transformationalist of DEI Outdoors, as they discuss steps on how you can become a DEI consultant in the outdoor space. Learn more about DEI Outdoors
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GO 116 - Jerry Nickelsburg, Guided by an Outdoor Epiphany
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1:13:32In addition to his responsibilities as a father, grandfather, professor, and respected economist; Jerry Nickelsburg has traveled the world pursuing backpacking, mountaineering, SCUBA diving, caving, and more. A California kid raised in Virginia, Jerry was a troubled child with a worrisome future. A camping trip at 11 shifted his perspective, enamor…
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So you want to be a REI Guide? Join podcast host Candace Brendler and Jeremy Oyen, Senior Manager for REI Field Experiences as they discuss how you can become a REI Guide, with valuable insight from how long the process takes to pay and benefits. Considering making a career move? Want to get your application in to the right people? Here are some ne…
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GO 115 - Magician Liz Del Sol Swims With the Sharks
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1:22:56Born in Mexico, but raised in Texas, Liz Del Sol always felt an intense draw towards adventure and performing. Naturally, as soon as she graduated from college, she headed for Hollywood to pursue both. A fateful night at a production party would introduce her to the Magic Castle and reveal her inner passion for magic. Liz and Jason spoke one night …
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BONUS04 - Chick-a-Boom! Episode 2: When Nature Calls
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44:06We return to early 2019 for the second episode of Cyndi Wyatt’s live-stream show called Chick-a-Boom!—the by-women for-women panel discussion about the outdoors. Episode 2: When Nature Calls addresses the 3 Ps—peeing, pooping, and periods. Hosted by Cyndi Wyatt and featuring the wisdom of Marilee Valkass, Saveria Tilden, and Liz Thomas. LINKS: Watc…
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So You Want to Be a Climbing Instructor with PCIA
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40:12So you want to be a Professional Climbing Instructors Association (PCIA) Certified Climbing Instructor? Join podcast host Candace Brendler and Jake Brunnquell, Programs Director for the Professional Climbing Instructors Association (PCIA) as they discuss how you can become a climbing instructor, with valuable insight from how long the process takes…
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GO 114 - Lincoln Stoller and the Climbing Mind
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1:13:22Lincoln Stoller was introduced to climbing at the age of thirteen which quickly evolved into mountaineering. Throughout the 70s and 80s he climbed with storied greats such as Fred Beckey. His curious mind lead him to pursuits such as soar plane piloting, diving, exploring foreign cultures, and the studies of physics and psychology. He is the author…
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So you want to be a Wilderness Medicine Instructor with WMA?
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32:05So you want to be a Wilderness Medicine Instructor? Join our host Candace Brendler and Abby Rowe, President of Wilderness Medical Associates International, as they discuss how you can become a Wilderness Medicine Instructor with valuable insight from how long the process takes to pay and benefits. Considering making a career move? Want to get your …
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So You Want to be an Adaptive Sport Volunteer or Instructor
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24:06So you want to be an adaptive sport volunteer or instructor? Join our host, Candace Brendler, and Ann Marie Beresford, Executive Director at the Adaptive Sport Association (ASA) out of Durango, Colorado as they discuss requirements to volunteer and to become an instructor with ASA. Considering making a career move? Want to get your application in t…
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