The Financially Legal podcast provides inspiration and tactical advice for entrepreneurial, mission-driven lawyers. Hosted by the Emery Wager of Confido Legal, Financially Legal explores issues at the intersection of finance and the business of law.
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Ep 64. How Law Firms Can Dispute (and win) Chargebacks
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41:37What really happens when a client calls their bank and says they didn’t get the legal services they paid for? In our upcoming episode, Emery Wager sits down with Amos Chapman, and the duo dives deep into one of the most misunderstood and often frustrating financial challenges law firms face: chargebacks. Check out some of Confido Legal’s resources …
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63. Taming the IRS: A Lawyer’s Guide to Tax Debt Resolution
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24:17How should law firms handle tax debt? There are ways to avoid common tax pitfalls, make taxes less stressful, and even pay pennies on the dollar to resolve tax debt. In this episode of Financially Legal, host Emery Wager sits down with Stephen Weisberg of the W Tax Group to discuss tax debt resolution.…
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How much time do you spend tracking your hours? What if you could increase your profitability, reduce stress, and provide better client service—all without billing another minute? The hourly billing model isn’t the only way to run a successful law firm. In this episode of Financially Legal, host Emery Wager sits down with Brita Long to explore the …
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61. How AI Impacts Law Firm Profitability with Patrick Maddigan and Tim Sawyer of Faster Outcomes
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1:00:32How much time are you wasting on repetitive tasks? What if you could significantly cut those hours, increasing your firm’s profitability? AI isn’t just a buzzword now—it’s a tool transforming the economics of running a law firm. In this Financially Legal episode, host Emery Wager sits down with Tim Sawyer and Patrick Maddigan of Faster Outcomes to …
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60. Using Data to Provide Clients with Financial Transparency
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49:46What’s This Going to Cost? It’s the question every client asks before signing an engagement agreement. Imagine being able to answer it clearly and confidently—even in the most complex cases. Achieving this level of financial predictability isn’t just possible; it’s within reach. In this episode of Financially Legal, host Emery Wager sits down with …
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59. Simple Financial Strategies for Growing a Contingency Fee Law Firm
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27:50In this Financially Legal episode, host Emery Wager sits down with Lem Garcia, founder of Lem Garcia Law, to explore how he grew his firm from humble beginnings to serving over 1,000 clients with a 20-person team. Lem shares his journey starting with Craigslist furniture and a modest office space to becoming a blueprint for aspiring law firm owners…
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58. Cashflow for Law Firms with Matt Darner of Collbox
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55:31In this Financially Legal episode, host Emery Wager talks with Matt Darner, founder of Collbox, to uncover practical strategies for law firms to master cash flow and collections. With years of experience helping businesses recover millions in outstanding invoices, Matt offers a unique perspective on the intersection of accounts receivable managemen…
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57. Legal Finance 101 with Evan Meyerson of Burford Capital
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29:27In this Financially Legal episode, host Emery Wager interviews Evan Meyerson, Managing Director of Burford Capital, to explore the rapidly evolving world of legal finance. Evan brings a unique blend of legal and venture capital experience, which gives him insight into how litigation funding can transform legal claims into strategic assets for law f…
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56. How to Design and Implement Flat Fee Legal Services with John Grant and Elise Buie
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51:11In this Financially Legal episode, host Emery Wager sits down with John Grant, founder of Agile Attorney Consulting, and Elise Buie, founder and managing attorney of Elise Buie Family Law, to discuss how law firms can successfully design and implement flat fee legal services. Both John and Elise bring a wealth of experience and unique perspectives …
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55. Small Changes, Big Rewards - An Interview with Lawyer & Entrepreneur Gary Allen
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42:57In this Financially Legal episode, host Emery Wager interviewed Gary Allen, who recently retired from a multi-decade legal career. Gary’s extensive experience includes building a million-dollar practice in environmental and land use law at Givens Pursley and co-founding LeanLaw to help other firms operationalize the best practices he learned the ha…
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54. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Jared Correia of Red Cave Consulting
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43:22In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Emery Wager explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, we welcome Jared Correia to the Financially Legal Podcast. Jared, the CEO of Red Cave Consulting and the Cofounder of Gideon Software, shares strategies for selecting t…
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53. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Kimberly Bennett, Cofounder of Fidu
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35:13In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Emery Wager explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, we welcome Kim Bennett back to the Financially Legal Podcast. Kim, the Cofounder of Fidu, shares insights into the innovative subscription legal services management pla…
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51. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Matt Bright of Intuit QuickBooks
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39:28In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Dan Lear explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, host Dan Lear discusses the world of QuickBooks, a cornerstone in both small business and small legal tech ecosystems. This episode features Matt Bright, a Senior Product …
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50. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Brett Spooner of Clever Case
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18:48In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Dan Lear explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, we dive into the world of legal case management software with Clever Case, a tool designed by attorneys for attorneys. Host Dan Lear speaks with Brett Spooner, the CEO and…
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49. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Harsimran Singh of Lawcus
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12:29In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Dan Lear explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, Dan speaks with Harsimran Singh, Founder and CEO of Lawcus. Lawcus offers a comprehensive solution, combining legal practice management, client relationship management (CR…
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48. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Dov Slansky of Litify
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21:28In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Dan Lear explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, Dan speaks with Dov Slansky, Vice President of Strategy and Innovation at Litify, a legal operating solution that helps law firms, in-house legal departments, and governme…
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47. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Dragana Milovanovic of Matter365
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20:42In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Dan Lear explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, Dan speaks with Dragana Milovanovic from Matter365, a user friendly cloud solution that fully integrates all data from Microsoft Office 365 applications into a matter-cent…
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46. Legal Case Management Series - An Interview with Jonathon Fishman, CEO of LeanLaw
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36:57In this special series focused on legal case management software, host Dan Lear explores various case management companies to help firms make informed decisions. In this episode, Jonathon Fishman, CEO of LeanLaw, shares insights about their financial operating system designed for small to medium-sized law firms. For more information and resources o…
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45. What does it take to get a collections rate of 95% and how does that intersect with diversity, transparency and compensation? An interview with Jim Meadows from Culhane Meadows
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49:00How, if at all, do compensation, diversity, and transparency overlap? How can these competing priorities be reconciled? Jim Meadows from Culhane Meadows doesn’t have the perfect answer. But he’s giving it a solid try. With 75 lawyers and 11 office locations, Culhane Meadows is the largest full-service women-owned law firm in the country. And in eac…
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44. How do creativity and financial analytics blend to grow a contingency law firm? An interview with Lynn Bradley from The Potts Law Firm
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1:00:00Plaintiffs' lawyers are often bold, brash, larger-than-life characters with billboards, regular TV ads, and ambition to match. But they're also visionary creatives. They excel at building something from nothing and carving out a new and unique path for legal professionals - often where no path existed before. But that creativity needs to be leavene…
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43. How does your firm limit write downs and write offs? An interview with Kevin Krese from Buckingham, Doolittle & Burroughs
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57:07Two episodes into our four-episode series with law firm CFOs one theme that's emerged is collections. Specifically, how much money lawyers and law firms leave on the table by failing to implement processes that ensure that the firm gets paid for the work it bills out. Kevin Krese, CFO and COO at Buckingham, Doolittle & Burroughs, is thinking furthe…
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42. What’s your firm’s “collections calendar?” An interview with Scott Shaffer from Winterfeldt IP Group
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1:09:32One thing every law firm needs is money. And I don’t think that I’m going out on a limb suggesting that money and financial health are common elements across most successful firms. In this episode, the first of our series of interviews with law firm CFOs, we speak with Scott Shaffer of Winterfeld IP Group. We dig in with Scott on law firm collectio…
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41. Can offshore virtual staffing help you grow and scale your law firm? An interview with Brett Trembly from Get Staffted Up and Trembly Law Firm
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59:29What’s a lawyer doing running an offshore virtual staffing firm? Starting in 2011 Brett Trembly built a successful business law firm, Trembly Law Firm, in Miami, Florida. They now employ 30+ people and nearly a dozen lawyers. Along the way, Brett not only realized that there was a shortage of companies offering law firm staffing, more importantly, …
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40. What's a CRM? And what can a law firm do with it? Announcing the Gravity Legal/Lawmatics Integration with Matt Spiegel, CEO of Lawmatics
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43:26On this special episode of Financially Legal we’re announcing the launch of our integration with Lawmatics. Lawmatics is a Legal Intake Solution, Marketing Automation, and Law Firm CRM software all in one. Today they are announcing the launch of their time and billing module with Lawmatics payments powered by Gravity Legal. We talk with Lawmatics C…
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39. Why do lawyers struggle to get paid for the work that they do? Julie Steinbacher from Steinbacher, Goodall & Yurchak and The Million Dollar Solution
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59:51Why do lawyers struggle to get paid for the work that they do? Whether it’s the low collection rates that we see in the Clio Trends Report to lawyers offering too steep a discount, to lawyers refusing to sue their clients, and on and on, “Show me the money” is definitely not the #1 mantra for many of our fellow lawyers. Julie Steinbacher doesn’t kn…
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38. What are the roles of financial metrics and your physical workplace in the seven essential parts of a law firm? Interview #4 of 4 with RJon Robins
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1:01:31In this, the fourth and final installment of our discussions with RJon Robins on the seven essential parts of a law firm, we move to the 5th and 6th essential parts of a law firm: physical plant and financial metrics and controls. The topic of physical plant naturally brings up the question of “whither physical law firms in the time of COVID?” We a…
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37. What is the role of profit in your law firm? An interview with Brooke Lively from Cathedral Capital
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54:26Have you ever considered the role of profit in a law firm? No, I mean, really thought about what it is, why it exists, whether it should be a part of your firm, and/or how to grow it. If so, then this episode is for you. Brooke Lively is the founder and CEO of Cathedral Capital. Her mission is pretty simple: make law firms more profitable. And she’…
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36. What are the roles of people and production in the seven essential parts of a law firm? Interview #3 of 4 with RJon Robins
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54:44In this, our third installment of our discussions with RJon Robins on the seven essential parts of a law firm, we explore the 3rd and 4th essential parts of a law firm: production and people. While we begin with production, we quickly veer into a conversation about people involved in production and whether every solo or small firm lawyer should try…
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35. What is the role of marketing and sales in the seven essential parts of a law firm? Interview #2 of 4 with RJon Robins
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55:48In this, the second installment of our discussions with RJon Robins on the seven essential parts of a law firm, we dig in on the first and second essential parts (of the seven essential parts) of a law firm: sales and marketing. As a reminder, in interview #1 we discussed the eighth and final part of a successful law firm, the owner. In this episod…
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34. What is the role of the law firm owner as one of the seven essential parts of a law firm? Interview #1 of 4 with RJon Robins
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54:22RJon Robins is the CEO and Founder of How To Manage a Small Law Firm, the largest provider of fractional executive (CEO, CFO, COO) services for small law firms in the country. This episode is the first of a four-part series with RJon on the seven essential parts of a law firm. These seven parts are sales, marketing, production, people, physical pla…
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23. Can you build a law practice representing criminal defendants and abuse survivors? An interview with Judie Saunders
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1:00:43How can a lawyer represent criminal defendants and abuse survivors? Judie Saunders represents children and families victimized by powerful systems *and* criminal defendants. Check out this week's episode of Financially Legal to find out how Judie built a practice representing the marginalized against powerful entrenched systems.…
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Episode 33. How can you test and deploy new technology inexpensively and securely at your small law firm? An interview with Christian Lang from Reynen Court
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1:06:10Small law firm owners may not be familiar with the terms "docker," "container," or "Kubernetes." They may even be a bit fuzzy on the definition of “the cloud.” But most firms know that, along with significant opportunities, new technologies often present security risks, interoperability challenges, and significant costs in terms of time and money t…
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Episode 32. How can you get started with financial management at your law firm? An interview with Chelsea Williams from Your Core Solution
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1:00:29We all know the cliches and the tropes: Lawyers are terrible business people, lawyers went to law school to avoid math, law firms aren’t businesses, etc . . . . Many of these statements are true in some pretty fundamental ways. But they’re also really damaging. Super accountant-to-law-firms-extraordinaire, Chelsea Williams, has the remedy. Combinin…
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31. BONUS EPISODE: Does sales make you uncomfortable? A "friendscast" episode with Jaimee Hall
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37:48One of my lawyer mentors once told me “if you don’t like to sell, don’t be a CEO.” Many solo lawyers set out to make a difference or have an impact - not to be a CEO. But whether you want to call them CEOs or managing partners, or partners, or business owners - the fact remains that they are heads of their respective businesses - effectively, they …
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30. What can a law professor and his student teach you about law practice? Tyson Mutrux and Jim Hacking - Lawyer Community Miniseries - Episode #4
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51:59What started as conversations between two friends - actually a law professor and his student - evolved into a movement. Maximum Lawyer boasts a 5000 member Facebook group, over 200 hours of podcast content, two sold-out conferences, a paid community, and a course to help lawyers and firms grow. Oh, and did I mention that the prof and his former stu…
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29. Are lawyers entrepreneurs? An interview with Stephanie Everett from Lawyerist - Lawyer Community Miniseries - Episode #3
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1:00:15Sam Glover, the founder of the popular legal website, Lawyerist, once told me that he started the website to complain about a practice management system he was frustrated by. He gave birth to a technology blog that’s morphed into a large and well-known legal industry website. But Lawyerist is way more than just content. There's also the free-to-joi…
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28. Has this community of lawyers solved what's wrong with social media? An interview with Keith Lee and Jeremy Richter from LawyerSmack - Lawyer Community Miniseries - Episode #2
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56:08Over the last few years, the social media landscape has become an almost impossible environment to navigate. The founder of the lawyer community LawyerSmack, Keith Lee, saw the social media meltdown coming and decided to try and do something about it. While it started out as a free extension of his popular Associates Mind blog, LawyerSmack has beco…
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27. Is the key to unlocking law firm economic success between your ears? An interview with Allison Williams from Law Firm Mentor - "Lawyer Community Miniseries" Episode #1
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1:04:07Here on Financially Legal we often focus on the nuts and bolts of finance and economics but some the biggest obstacles to economic and business success are mental - not financial or even business-related. If ever you’ve wondered if it's your mindset that's holding you back, then this episode is for you. We dive in on mindset - and we’re doing it wi…
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26. Should you shift credit card fees to your clients? Host Dan Lear makes the case for this controversial practice
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24:49What if I told you there was a tool that could automatically increase your firm revenue by 1%? What about 2%? What about 3%? What about even half a percent? (if you’re not great at doing math on the fly, for a firm that grosses $1,000,000/year, one half a percent is $5000). Law firms that accept electronic payments and implement a cost-shifting tec…
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25. Is delegation just a fancy word for "giving permission?" An interview with Lindsey Corbin from delegate.legal
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49:08There’s probably no principle more important to growing and scaling a law firm than delegation. Whether it’s identifying the tasks that need to be done, teaching and coaching others to do them, or simply letting go, you’ll be hard-pressed to grow your legal business if you can’t delegate. If you’ve ever wondered how delegation might work in your fi…
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24. What is Zapier and what can you do with it? Host Dan Lear discusses how Zapier can extend the power of the web
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18:49If you’ve ever wondered how to tie together different systems in your law practice, you need to know about Zapier. Like the machine that makes Pee-Wee Herman’s breakfast in Pee Wee’s Big Adventure or the idea of the Rube Goldberg machine (a reference that dates me even MORE than Pee-Wee Herman) Zapier uses “if this, then that” logic to connect othe…
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22. Should you build your own law practice management system? Host Dan Lear explores the frontier of law firms building custom tech
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23:06Lawyers are no strangers to tools - even technology tools - but few choose to build their own. In this Financially Legal episode, host Dan Lear explores why six firms chose to pursue a DIY path for practice management, how they went about building what they built, whether they’d recommend that other firms do the same, and what the future of practic…
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21. SPECIAL EPISODE: What's the legal liability in this GameStop situation? And who, if anyone, is to blame? An interview with Jake Walker from Block and Leviton
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57:39This episode of Financially Legal is a departure from our usual. Normally we talk about law, economics, and even finance as applied to the practice of law. Today, we’re talking about one specific legal issue that has some financial underpinnings. Specifically, the GameStop short squeeze. If you’ve been paying any attention to the news - or especial…
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20. How do you build a “cloud-based” law firm? An interview with Tim Parlatore and Elana Bertram of Parlatore Law Group
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1:12:16If you’ve considered or are considering a virtual, remote, distributed or cloud-based law firm model, this episode is for you. Parlatore Law Group’s mission is right there on the website: “Our mission is to provide our clients with the highest quality legal services at a reasonable rate. We do this by removing all the barriers, bureaucracy and bloa…
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19. Should you have a law firm CFO? An interview with Kenna Valentine from e2e
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41:32“I was told there’d be no math.” It’s a common joking refrain for law students and even practicing lawyers. “I went to law school to help people,” so many lawyers tell me. But a firm needs to pay for you - and itself - in order to keep helping people. Let’s face it: law firms are businesses. And the better a firm runs, the more people it can help. …
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18. How do you get started with a subscription legal services offering? An interview with Allen Rodriguez of One400
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47:36Allen Rodriguez is a legal product development strategist who has been serving the legal industry for over 18 years. He’s currently the Founder and CEO of the law innovation agency One400. Before that he was the Director of Attorney Services at LegalZoom, where he helped LegalZoom figure out their, now very successful, subscription and lawyer-assis…
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17 How do clients make hiring decisions? And how can decision science help you in your practice? An interview with Nika Kabiri of Kabiri Consulting.
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50:11Nika Kabiri is a JD, a PhD a decision science consultant, a teacher, and a writer. If that’s not enough for you, just know she’s a rock star. Previously Nika was the Director of Strategic Insights at the online legal marketplace Avvo. Whether through market research, tireless and effective advocacy, or her amazing public speaking skills in that rol…
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16. Could you be an outsourced general counsel? An interview with Beth Lebowitz from Auxana and Nimbus Legal
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52:52Subscription-based outsourced fractional general counsel sounds like a mouthful, but it’s not really that complicated. A fixed monthly fee for part of a lawyer’s time offering business advice to a company. Beth Lebowitz believes that this model is as good for lawyers as it is for clients. In fact, she’s so committed to it that she’s founded both a …
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15: Can you do that with your law practice? An interview with Megan Zavieh of Zavieh Law and Lawyers Gone Ethical
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1:07:12Lawyers can usually think of lots of possible reasons why trying something new in your practice is “against the rules.” Megan Zavieh is a California state bar defense attorney (who lives in Georgia!) and she’s not treading lightly. Instead, she’s launching a subscription legal services offering, cheering regulatory changes related to non-lawyer own…
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14: How do you sell a law practice? An interview with Tom Lenfestey from the Law Practice Exchange
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57:37It’s common for dentists or doctors to sell their practices but far less common for lawyers to do so. And a Zillow-like marketplace for law practices? Forget about it. And yet, that’s just what Tom Lenfestey is doing. Tom has built his business, The Law Practice Exchange, to increase liquidity in a market for law practices and evangelize the buying…
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