The People Leaders Podcast is a resource for managers and business leaders creating high performing teams. Join leadership and team development experts Jan and Michelle Terkelsen each week and explore both subjects from every angle.Through practical tips, valuable insights, and compelling interviews with leadership experts around the world, you’ll learn how to bring out the best in your staff and how to give your best as a leader.We cover issues such as workplace communication, understanding ...
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The Breathing Edge with Shane and Angelina Saunders Podcast
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Life is better when you breathe! Welcome to The Breathing Edge, the podcast where we share tips, techniques, bio-hacks and interviews to help you achieve peak performance in all areas of your life.If you truly want to get the edge in life, you can find it right here at the breathing edge.
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How to Find and Win Your Next Leadership Role With Richard Triggs
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44:42Regardless of where you are on your leadership journey, this epsiode is guaranteed to help you progress your leadership journey and, importantly, set yourself up to win "your ideal role with your employer of choice." I had a fascinating chat with Richard Triggs, the founder and CEO of Arete Executive, an executive search and recruitment company bas…
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In this episode, I explore five key indicators that suggest your team may benefit from an MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) workshop. Learn how communication breakdowns, lack of team cohesion, low motivation and engagement, constant decision-making conflicts, and unresolved workplace tension could be holding your team back. Discover practical tips…
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Unlocking Leadership Potential: Simple Hacks for Busy Professionals
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8:26As leaders we’re often focussed on the big things and may overlook the simple actions that can make a big difference, so in this episode, I share simple and practical leadership strategies tailored for busy professionals. From learning the art of delegation to implementing the two-minute rule, making meetings more efficient, and using time-independ…
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Why Leaders Should Create a Support Network
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17:39A support network is one of the most powerful tools in any leader’s arsenal—but it’s often overlooked. It’s important to note that a support network is very different from a general “network” and worlds apart from “networking,” which often brings to mind uncomfortable events full of professionals hunting for their next client or opportunity. Instea…
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Key Takeaways from 2024: Insights on Self-Leadership and Personal Growth
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11:48I’ve put together a short wrap-up video of 2024 where you can learn valuable insights about self-leadership and personal growth to help you end the year on a high note… Explore important questions like 'Who do I need to be?' in various interactions and how changing behaviors and habits can impact your life. Discover the significance of setting an e…
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Why Being Vulnerable Makes You a Better Leader
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17:50In this episode, we explore the critical role of vulnerability in effective leadership. Drawing on studies from Harvard Business Review and the Academy of Management Journal, we highlight how vulnerability can enhance trust, collaboration, and bottom-line results. Through real-world stories and experiences, we discuss the transformation that occurs…
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Combating Workplace Stress with Vedic Meditation: An Interview with Brett Jarman
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29:17Workplace stress, resilience, psychological safety… These are all buzzwords that have gained increasing attention in recent years. And rightly so. We spend a huge proportion of our time at the workplace, so it’s critical that we do our best to keep stress to a minimum. But who is actually responsible for this? Our guest on the podcast this week say…
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Your Personality Has the Biggest Impact on How You Lead
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15:56As a leader it can be tempting to point to team members as being responsible for team performance issues. Sometimes this is the case, but more often than not, we see a failure on the part of the leader to take different personality styles and preferences into account. This is actually the primary job of a leader, and what sets leadership responsibi…
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Transforming Feedback into Powerful Learning Opportunities
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22:04In this episode, we explore the surprising and somewhat disturbing statistic that only one in four employees find feedback helpful for their performance. We discuss the importance of transforming feedback into powerful learning opportunities for both personal and professional growth. We highlight the role of trust, the need for a habit of inviting …
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Fractional Leadership: Flexibility and Expertise with Lauren Patel
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24:49In this episode of the People Leaders Podcast, we explore the realm of fractional consulting with our guest Lauren Wambold Patel. Lauren, a former Boston Consulting Group consultant and now founder and CEO of Keenan Reid Strategies, shares insights into how fractional consulting is reshaping the industry. We dive into the benefits for both consulta…
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Maximising Leadership Effectiveness Through Wellbeing with Anna Eliatamby
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28:32In this episode, we explore the critical role of well-being in leadership with Anna Eliatamby, a clinical psychologist and workplace well-being expert. Anna shares insights on the foundational importance of self-care for leaders, highlighting how neglecting personal well-being can lead to destructive habits and toxic behaviours. She introduces key …
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Team Building Activities That ACTUALLY Work (2024)
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20:39In this podcast, we address common queries about team building, providing practical examples and sharing insights from research on high-performing teams. We outline several team-building activities with specific focuses such as learning, collaboration, fun, connection, trust, problem-solving, conflict resolution, and goal setting. Activities includ…
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Workplace Resilience: Practical Tips and Strategies
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18:41In this episode, we delve into the topic of workplace and professional resilience and what it means to effectively respond and adapt to adversity. We discuss a multi-faceted approach to resilience through mental, physical, spiritual, and emotional lenses. We share practical strategies, including the importance of self-talk, changing perspectives, p…
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Mastering Feedback and Difficult Conversations with Dr. Phill Krins
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34:29In this episode, I am excited to welcome Dr. Phill Krins, an expert in workplace psychology, coaching, and facilitation. We delve into the significance of feedback and managing difficult conversations, especially for new and emerging leaders. Dr. Krins shares his vast experience, touching on the importance of feedback for growth, role clarity, and …
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The Art of Managing Up: Crucial Questions for Your Manager
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14:46In this episode, we discuss the importance of managing up and making the most out of your relationship with your manager during one-on-one meetings. We explore various questions to ask, such as understanding your manager's key priorities, communication preferences, and ways to build trust. Additionally, we dive into stakeholder management, conflict…
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Stress Relief and Mental Clarity: Forest Bathing with David Roland
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25:54In this episode, I interview David Roland, a psychologist, writer, presenter, and certified forest bathing guide. We discuss David's extensive background, including his studies in clinical psychology focusing on performance anxiety, and his transition to nature connection and forest bathing. David shares his personal experiences with forest bathing…
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The Biggest Mistakes New Managers Make and How to Avoid Them
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18:01Anyone new to a management position is bound to make mistakes. Some of these mistakes will be unique to a particular position, and may even be unavoidable. But many mistakes that first-time managers make are pretty common, and can be avoided. In this episode we discuss the most common first-time manager mistakes we’ve seen in the past 25 plus years…
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Stepping Up from Individual Contributor to New Manager/Leader
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15:01Making the transition from individual contributor to manager is about more than just taking on more responsibilities. It literally requires a shift in how you think about your work, the people you work with, and yourself. In this episode, we lay out eight paradigm shifts that are essential for you to perform at your best and to bring out the best i…
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The Myers Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) has been our favourite personality profiling tool since we first became accredited facilitators more than 20 years ago. Other profiling tools have come and gone as ‘flavour of the month’ over the years, many of which are simplified versions of the MBTI, but the MBTI itself is the tool we are most often asked t…
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The Power of the Change Curve with John Fisher
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49:42For many years now, we’ve been using the Change Curve model, created by John Fisher, a constructivist, psychologist, and coach. It’s a powerful tool for helping people navigate the different stages of organisational change. We were thrilled to be able to speak with John directly on the podcast and to discuss the application of the Change Curve in l…
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Growing a Nationwide Business: Ian Perkins' Journey with Lawlab
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13:42In 2014 we began working with Ian Perkins, CEO of lawlab, which, at the time, was a small and growing conveyancing firm. We’ve worked with him every year since, and have helped him expand the business to 50 staff nationwide. Ian was kind enough to jump on a call with me to discuss their growth, and the role People Leaders has had in building his te…
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Elevating Team Engagement and Performance for Small to Medium Businesses
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18:57Our focus for this year for our content is going to be small and medium sized organisations (SMEs), specifically, how to create high-performing teams. We're also creating programs that cater for SMEs. Watch this space for details... There is a very different dynamic for small and medium businesses than there is with larger organisations, particular…
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Aligning Health for Optimal Performance and Wellbeing with Jo Formosa
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25:41Have you ever wondered why we often do things that we know aren't good for our health? Today’s episode with Jo Formosa, a natural medicine specialist, will definitely pique your interest. A seasoned expert in Ayurveda, accupuncture, Chinese medicine, remedial massage, and Neuro Strategies, Jo takes us on her captivating journey into natural medicin…
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Navigating High-Stakes Leadership: Stress Management Techniques and Building Effective Teams with Nicole Monteforte
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34:30Do you ever feel the weight of achievement becoming just too heavy? Are you losing yourself in the race towards success? In our latest episode, we had the privilege of picking the brain of Nicole Monteforte, a seasoned leader and CEO, who has successfully navigated the high-pressure terrain of managing teams in the thousands and has lived to tell t…
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Today’s topic of choice is one we have found people leaders really struggle with, and can really open up so many opportunities for them: delegation. In coaching or workshops, we often hear managers say, "Yes, but I'm so busy, surely I can't push any more work down on to the people that report to me." Our answer is simply, “Ask, you might be surpris…
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It’s always interesting chatting with other professionals in our field and this discussion with Amos Szeps is no different. I learned some new turns of phrase that I know I’ll be using more in the future. Phrases such as: Empathy with edge; Disagree quickly but not personally; Choose meaningful problems and more. With 20 years of experience in lead…
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Jenna Holloway - Releasing Limiting Beliefs to Unleash Leadership Potential
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31:49Leaders often have good intentions and great ideas, even great visions, for themselves but often they don’t succeed in bringing those intentions to fruition. This is not exclusive to leaders of course, but the result of a leader falling short of their potential, is that their team can often be affected as well. In this interview, with Jenna Hollowa…
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Journaling to Develop Your Leadership Skills
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18:38One of the qualities that separates leaders from managers is self awareness. A manager with low levels of self awareness is unlikely to bring out the best in themselves, let alone their team. Whereas a leader with high levels of self awareness, is going to naturally develop the skills needed to bring out the best in the people working with them. Th…
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We’re always looking for new ways to provide resources to leaders and are excited to share with you that the People Leaders Toolkit app is now live. Available on Apple and Android (and usable on desktop computers also), the toolkit is designed as a hip-pocket resource to help leaders with the challenges they face on a daily basis. We’ve got five to…
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How to Identify and Support Potential Leaders in Your Team
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15:21One of the biggest mistakes we see in the leadership field is promoting someone above their natural level of leadership. For example, someone who is an outstanding performer on your sales team, might not necessarily excel as a sales manager. Yet many organisations promote based on technical performance rather than their people leadership potential.…
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New and emerging leaders are usually given the short straw when it comes to leadership development and training. They’re often thrust into a role based on technical achievement and/or attitude and aren’t given much in the way of training in people leadership. This is a huge mistake, because these are the people on the front line, the interface betw…
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Team-Based Planning for New and Emerging Leaders
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34:01New leaders have a tough job. Not only do they have the technical aspects of their role to master, but they also have to master the craft of leading people. One of the biggest mistakes we see organisations make when promoting someone from an operational to a leadership role, is that they don’t give them sufficient training in planning. They are so …
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Lyndal Hughes - Building Purpose-Driven Organisations
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29:00Purpose-driven organisations are more than just ‘nice places to work.’ They also tend to have higher market share and grow three times faster than organisations that are not purpose-driven. In this podcast Jan had a lively discussion with Lyndal Hughes, Managing Director of Q5 Australia, a consultancy that helps organisations ‘make change stick.’ L…
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For leaders, setting personal and professional goals is common practice, especially at the beginning of the year, but, regrettably, not everyone gets to tick them off as done by the end of the year. There are two reasons for this: 1) because they don’t do a thorough review of the prior year before setting the goals, and 2) they get caught up in cre…
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Integrating People, Processes and Technology With Hardik Parekh and Adrian
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35:01Hardik Parekh, CEO and founder of Searce, believes that the potential of people, processes and technology working together has the ability to change the world. He is passionate about working with people who share this belief, and who have a desire to make work and life better. In this conversation, Hardik and Adrian Chu, country manager of Australi…
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Dr John Demartini on Leadership, Motivation and the Science Behind Distraction
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38:29Leadership is grounded in understanding human behaviour, and few people understand human behaviour quite like the tireless Dr John Demartini. With 40 books under his belt and another ten on the way, Dr Demartini has studied human behaviour through the lens of almost all the great philosophers and teachers to come up with a contemporary approach tha…
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Case Study: Why Use the ‘Above the Line, Below the Line’ Leadership Tool?
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28:02One of our most popular downloadable leadership tools, Above the Line, Below the Line, is a must in any manager’s or organisation’s toolkit. The accountability framework can be used by teams and organisations to foster clear and cohesive ways of working. The premise of the tool is that there are ‘above the line’ ways of operating, which are usually…
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5 Biggest Mistakes People Leaders Make in a New Job Role and How to Avoid Them
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15:08When you start a new job role as a people leader, it can be difficult to know where to start. Many of us go in wanting to prove our worth as soon as possible but end up underperforming in the long run. That’s just one of the biggest mistakes people make in a new job role. There will always be challenges but it’s how you navigate them that’s importa…
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In this short and sweet bonus episode Jan and Michelle pose two key questions to ask yourself and reflect on: How do you want to communicate? What impact do you want to have? ===== Useful Links: Explore our brand new Above-the-Line Leaders' Toolkit - https://peopleleaders.com.au/above-the-line-thinking/ Join our next Leadership Essentials Program -…
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Diversity in the Workplace with Arthur Woods
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33:34We are all naturally biased when we make decisions, so it’s vitally important to set up procedures in the workplace that minimise their effect. On this episode we speak to Arthur Woods: a social entrepreneur, bestselling author and champion of equality in the workplace. Arthur is the co-founder of Mathison: a venture-backed tech platform that enabl…
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One in five Australians are challenged with their mental health. Pretty much every leader is going to have to guide people who are suffering, and yet historically, the focus of leadership and management has been on professional performance rather than state of mind. Our guest this week, Sophie Aghdami, has been through her own mental battles and co…
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Many, many years ago we read ‘Walking the Talk,’ a book by Carolyn Taylor, which was our first introduction to the concept of above-the-line and below-the-line thinking. Since that time we’ve incorporated the principles of this style of thinking into almost everything that we do. We built the model into many of our programs and have done countless …
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The Changing Style of Leadership In a Modern Age, With Dr Ben Ritter
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34:53The agile work environments of today pose a big challenge… are leaders really leaders anymore? Our esteemed guest, Dr Ben Ritter, has noticed a trend of leaders not feeling like they deserve to be there. The speed with which leaders can rise to the top, mobile/remote working and the fluidity of organisational structures have all contributed to a to…
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What a pleasure it was to speak to a genuine thought leader on the latest People Leaders podcast. Beverly Kaye is an internationally renowned expert in career development, employee engagement and employee retention. She’s written multiple books (the last one sold over 800,000 copies) and, just for good measure, she has received a Lifetime Achieveme…
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Be More Wrong - How This Can Help Your Leadership Interview with Colin Hunter
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34:59We all experience insecurities at some point in our lives. Some people suffer from insecurities such as social anxiety, nervousness, past traumas, recent experiences of failure or rejection, loneliness, negative beliefs about yourself, perfectionism, and so on. These insecurities can have a huge impact on your life, relationships, personality, and …
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Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion With Robin Rosenberg
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34:44Promoting and maintaining diversity, equity, and inclusion in a hybrid environment is challenging for leaders, especially during this time of COVID-19. To find ways out of this issue, we have Robin Rosenberg to discuss and share some tips on how to promote and maintain diversity, equity, and inclusion in an organisation. She is CEO and Founder of L…
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How To Literally Find Your Voice And Become A Great Leader, With Melanie Weller
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33:07In this episode we speak to the inspirational Melanie Weller: a professional voice coach who can tell you exactly what you need to do to project yourself in the best possible way. Melanie works with voice professionals and non-voice professionals alike. Whoever you are, you’re going to need this advice!Her clinical specialty is the vagus nerve, so …
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Using Algorithms for Better Recruitment, with Michael Yinger
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38:05Recruitment is one of the biggest headaches in business, but it really doesn’t need to be. We speak to CEO and co-founder of Resume Sieve, Michael Yinger, about how you can automate the recruitment process and get really clever with the algorithms. Once you’ve got the right tools, as Michael says, you can “take the drudgery out of the recruitment p…
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Leading Together with Susan Basterfield and Travis Marsh
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31:47We absolutely love it when people take a deep dive into the art of leadership. Susan Basterfield and Travis Marsh have certainly done that as co-authors of an inspiring new book called ‘Lead Together’. They’ve done some extensive research into many aspects of leadership, most notably the transformative power of ‘empathetic leadership’, and why lead…
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The Johari Window - Developing Your People Leader Toolkit
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14:24As a people leader it’s useful to have a strong toolkit of good frameworks; shortcuts for certain ways of operating. We get a lot of feedback from people about the resources we share and how helpful they are, so we’re sharing a new one with you: the Johari Window. Episode Highlights: When was it developed, who developed it and what actually is the …
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