Each podcast episode, Pat Eckler and Dan Cotter will cover several oral arguments and decisions in civil matters at the Illinois Appellate Court and Illinois Supreme Court, with the occasional coverage of SCOTUS and other appellate courts. The purpose of the podcast is to inform of developments that may affect business and are not to be considered legal advice. They do not create a lawyer-client relationship. Information on previous case results do not guarantee a similar future result. The ...
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Episode 261 - Four bases for challenging the detention
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Episode 260 - Special Episode - Ted Frank discusses Andren v. End User Consumer Plaintiff Cl
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35:37Dan and Pat are joined by Ted Frank of the Hamilton Lincoln Law Institute regarding his recent oral argument before the Seventh Circuit.
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Episode 259 - The Children Would be Exposed to content
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Episode 258 - No Technicolor Dream Coat, but an umbrella?
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Episode 257 - Understand You disageee, but you have to give us a basis.
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Episode 256 - A solo, all-Indiana episode
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Episode 255 - How is that clearly erroneous?
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Episode 254 - We’re Here for one simple question today
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52:25Follow Dan on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/cotterdanFollow Pat on LinkedIn athttps://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-patrick-eckler-610290824/ Predictions Sure To Go Wrong: Hammond: Affirm Thornapple: Affirm Aurora: AffirmIllinois Appellate Court is here:https://www.illinoiscourts.gov/courts/appellate-court/oral-argument-audio/ 7th Hammond:https://media.…
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Episode 253 - Pat gets on his hobby horse again
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Episode 252 - The relevant provisions of GIPA do not apply to life insurance
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Follow Dan on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/cotterdan Follow Pat on LinkedIn athttps://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-patrick-eckler-610290824/ Predictions Sure To Go Wrong: Richardson: Reverse Andrews: Affirm Mann: Reverse IL SCT: https://www.illinoiscourts.gov/courts/supreme-court/oral-argument-audio-and-video/ IL app can be found at: https://www.illin…
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Follow Dan on LinkedIn at linkedin.com/in/cotterdan Follow Pat on LinkedIn athttps://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-patrick-eckler-610290824/ Predictions Sure To Go Wrong: PML Development: Affirm Honickman: Reverse Rylatt: Reverse SCOTUS case: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2024/23-1259 IL APP: https://www.illinoiscourts.gov/courts/a…
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Episode 249 - Three from the Court that Reigns Supreme
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Episode 248 - Do we have appellate jurisdiction?
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Episode 247 - Sealing should be used in only narrow circumstances
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Episode 246 - The elements of a breach of contract claim
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Episode 245 - That was not my question, counselor
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Episode 244 – You have never argued before us before, have you?
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Episode 243 - This really is a rabbit hole
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Episode 242 - Whether a federal court may certify a class action
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Episode 241 - Special Episode w/ Ashley Keller re Royal Canin U.S.A., Inc. v. Wullschleger
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30:12Ashley Keller, who represented the respondents, in Royal Canin U.S.A., Inc. v. Wullschleger and won 9-0 on the short side of a circuit split joins the show to discuss the decision.
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Episode 240 - The Challenged provisions do not violate First Amendment rights
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Episode 239 – To Ensure a Level Playing Field Going Forward
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Episode 238 - It seems to me it’s a jury issue
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Episode 235 – It is something where we are extraordinarily bereft of expertise
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Episode 233 – Whether “sole proximate cause” must be in the jury instruction
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Follow Pat on LinkedIn athttps://www.linkedin.com/in/donald-patrick-eckler-610290824/ Predictions Sure To Go Wrong: Church Mutual: appeal dismissed Wendy's: Reversed Viramontes: AffirmChurch Mutual is here:https://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/sound/external/ch.24-1900.24-1900_11_12_2024.mp3Wendy’s is here:https://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/sound/external/ef.…
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Episode 230 - Here’s something less well known
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Episode 228 - Will you listen to my question?
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Episode 227 - Special Episode - Ashley Keller - Royal Canin U.S.A., Inc. v. Wullschleger
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31:07Dan and Pat are joined by Ashley Keller of Keller Postman who argued Royal Canin U.S.A., Inc. v. Wullschleger for the respondent before SCOTUS recently.
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Episode 226 – Pat learned something this week
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Episode 225 – The so-called American Rule
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Episode 224 – A truly excellent introduction
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Episode 223 – It is a Michael Corleone thing
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Episode 222 – A Baker’s Dozen of Lawyers
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Episode 221 - The facts of which arise out of the criminal context
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Episode 219 - They didn’t want to get in any more trouble
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Episode 218 – We would not have issued the policy
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Episode 217 – I am trying to save you time
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Episode 216 – It is so unremarkable a proposition
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Episode 214 – Here is how not to attempt service in a case
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Episode 213 – Illinois has one appellate court
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