Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was. Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world. The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left. Join us at Football University! If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted o ...
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Hosted by productivity strategist Mike Vardy, A Productive Conversation offers insightful discussions on how to craft a life that aligns with your intentions. Each episode dives into the art of time devotion, productiveness, and refining your approach to daily living. Mike invites guests who are thinkers, doers, and creators to share their strategies for working smarter and living more intentionally. From practical tips to deep dives on mindset shifts, this podcast will help you reframe your ...
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Skye Waterson Talks About ADHD, Attention, and Building Systems That Actually Work
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39:19This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. When you’re managing ADHD—or simply navigating the distractions of modern life—tr…
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Messi’s Magic: Barcelona’s Golden Era | Part One
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51:51Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into Lionel Messi's early years at Barcelona and his rise to stardom. They explore Messi's journey from his initial signing to the club in 2000 to the early recognition of his talent by notable figures like Ronaldinho. The episode hi…
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This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. This episode is the latest in our monthly series PM Talks, where Patrick Rhone an…
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part Four
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Capturing Light – Episode 167 with Kira Kelly, ASC
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Jesse J. Anderson Talks About ADHD, Extra Focus, and Finding Flow
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50:43This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. In this episode of A Productive Conversation, I sit down with Jesse J. Anderson, …
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part Three
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56:11In this episode of It Was What It Was, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue the story of Brian Clough’s Nottingham Forest, following on from their European Cup victory in the last episode. This third part of a four-part special covers the 1979-80 season, looking at how Forest overcame obstacles both on and off the pitch to claim their s…
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Leslie Grandy Talks About Creative Velocity and the Future of Ideas
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38:16This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. On this episode of A Productive Conversation, I sit down with Leslie Grandy, auth…
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part Two
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55:44In this episode of It Was What It Was, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue their deep dive into Brian Clough's transformative tenure at Nottingham Forest. This second part of a four-part special, captures the thrilling journey as Forest ventures into the European Cup, starting from their incredible 5-1 victory over AEK Athens and leadi…
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Capturing Light – Episode 166 with Nathan Blaze
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27:05In this episode, we talk about Navigating the industry. Working as a Jack of All Trades . Run Some technical specs of the film. Director of Photography: Nathan Blaze https://www.instagram.com/nathanblazefilms/ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/run-post-apocalyptic-thriller-film–2#/?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAafZKA_hzS7fa2d1xHf7PWoPO7WBvMfT_audWbFIQ…
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Neil Ghosh Talks About Doing More Good and Building Legacy
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Clough's Conquest: Forest's Rise to European Glory | Part One
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53:07Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper set the stage for Brian Clough’s remarkable journey to becoming manager of Nottingham Forest in this first part of a four-part-special. After his departure from Leeds, Clough takes on the challenge of revitalising a mid-table second divisi…
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This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. This episode is the latest in our monthly PM Talks series, and Patrick Rhone and …
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Red Devils on The Brink: United’s Dramatic Demise 1985-86
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55:36Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into Manchester United’s 1985-86 season - a campaign filled with promise, passion, and ultimately, heartbreak. A year that began with soaring hopes and a record-breaking unbeaten run, unravels in a whirlwind of injuries, off-fie…
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A Long Road to Glory: The Lionesses Origin Story | Part Two
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52:08Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast hosted by Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper. In this second episode of a two-part special, we delve into the pivotal moments that lifted the 50-year ban on women's football in England. From the formation of the Women’s Football Association, to looking at the birth of the Lionesses and th…
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Chris Ducker Talks About Long Haul Leadership and Lasting Success
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A Long Road to Glory: The Lionesses Origin Story | Part One
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39:13Welcome back to another episode of It Was What It Was with hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper as they delve into the history of The Lionesses and the true story behind the first ever women's Euros. This episode explores the struggles and triumphs of women's football, from the controversial FA ban in 1921, to England's historic victory in the 2025…
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Spurs '91: Gascoigne, Gold, and the FA Cup with Ewan Flynn
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1:01:12Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper welcome special guest Euan Flynn, author of 'When the Year Ends in One,' to discuss Tottenham Hotspur's momentous 1990-91 season. The episode delves into Paul Gascoigne's tearful departure due to a career-threatening injury during the FA C…
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Ben Amos Talks About Video Strategy and Storytelling
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1:07:36This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. In this episode of A Productive Conversation, I welcome Ben Amos—video strategist…
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Before Maradona and Messi: The Tragic Tale of Oreste Corbatta
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50:38Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson delve into the life of OrestesCorbatta, a legendary Argentine footballer whose story combines brilliance and tragedy. Known for his dazzling dribbling skills and audacious playstyle, Corbatta played a crucial role in Argentina's 1957 Campe…
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Mo Salah: The Egyptian King's Story | Part Two
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53:11Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the Football History podcast hosted by Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper. In this second episode of a two-part special, we explore the life of Mohamed Salah - from winning his third PFA player of the year award, to the pressures and the complex political landscape he navigates in Egypt . We delve into Salah's impact…
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Michael Timms Talks About Inspiring Accountability Without Blame
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Capturing Light – Episode 165 with Alison Kelly
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Mo Salah: The Egyptian King's Story | Part One
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51:32Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Today, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson are joined by Ed Aarons from The Guardian to discuss the incredible journey of Mohamed Salah. With the PFA Footballer of the Year awards tonight, Salah's early life and career beginnings are explored in depth. Ed shares his research from…
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The Special One’s Fall at Chelsea — Inside Mourinho’s 2015 Sacking
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57:34On today's episode of It Was What It Was, hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson explore a crucial moment in Premier League history: José Mourinho's dramatic 2015/16 season at Chelsea. They discuss Mourinho's second sacking at Chelsea and the key incidents that led to his sacking just 6 months after winning the title, including the infamous Eva Carne…
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This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. This episode is the latest in our monthly PM Talks series, where I’m joined by my…
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The Little Magician: Juninho’s Boro Days with Jan Åge Fjørtoft
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1:01:04Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by guest Jan Åge Fjørtoft to explore the groundbreaking transfer of Brazilian footabller Juninho to Middlesbrough in 1995. The discussion explores the players’ previous career highlights, the unique challenges they faced adjusting to English…
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Brian Tracy Talks About Prioritization, Self-Discipline, and Eating That Frog [BONUS EPISODE]
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48:33This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. Brian Tracy returns to A Productive Conversation to mark the launch of the 4th Ed…
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Don Revie's Leeds United: Dirty or Misunderstood? | Part Two
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56:47Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In Part Two of our series on Don Revie's Leeds United, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson explore the origins of the 'Dirty Leeds' tag. This episode delves into the notorious 1964 match against Everton that cemented the club's aggressive reputation. It discusses the reactions from fa…
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Rob Shallenberger Talks About Pre-Week Planning and Leading a Life by Design
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39:06This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. In the latest episode, I sit down with Rob Shallenberger—CEO of Becoming Your Bes…
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Don Revie's Leeds United: Dirty or Misunderstood? | Part One
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50:32Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this episode, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson discuss the significant impact of Don Revie on Leeds United and English football. The episode covers Revie's early career, his transition into management, and his influence on Leeds United. The narrative delves into the challenges L…
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Red Star ’91: Conquering Europe as Yugoslavia Collapsed – Part Two
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57:19Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper bring part two into the fascinating and tragic story of Red Star Belgrade's triumphant 1991 European Cup campaign. They discuss Red Star's status as underdogs against Bayern Munich in the semifinal, their intricate path to victory amidst the backdrop of…
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ASK MIKE ANYTHING: Journaling, Urgency, and Letting Go of Empty Productivity
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1:04:44This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. In this very special "Ask Mike Anything" edition of the podcast, the tables turn.…
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Red Star ’91: Conquering Europe as Yugoslavia Collapsed – Part One
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48:13Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson explore the history of Red Star Belgrade, focusing on their monumental 1991 European Cup win against a backdrop of Yugoslavia's political turmoil and impending civil war. This episode explores the club's founding, cultural significance, and k…
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The Death Match: Football, Resistance, and Myth in Nazi-Occupied Ukraine | Part Two
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52:35Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this episode, co-hosts Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson bring their second and final part of their series on the Death Match, one of the most mythologized football games of all time. Occurring in Nazi-occupied Kyiv, Ukraine, this match between Start, a team formed mostly of former Dinamo…
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Hrund Gunnsteinsdóttir Talks About Intuition, Attention, and Inner Alignment
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46:55This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. What does it mean to truly listen to your intuition—and why is that more vital th…
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The Death Match: Football, Resistance, and Myth in Nazi-Occupied Ukraine | Part One
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51:42Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper delve into the harrowing tale of 'The Death Match,' a match played under Nazi occupation in Ukraine. They explore the brutal conditions faced by Ukrainian footballers, the formation of a remarkable team, and the resonances with modern-day…
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Colombia's El Dorado: Football vs Civil War
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57:55Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast hosted by Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson. Today we bring you the fascinating story of the El Dorado League in 1940s Colombia. Discover how the government, amid a brutal civil war and the assassination of liberal leader Jorge Eliécer Gaitán, turned to football to pacify an unsettled populat…
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Bree Groff Talks About Bringing Fun Back to Work
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50:47This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. What if “fun” isn’t the opposite of “work”—but the missing ingredient? In this ep…
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The Takeover That Led to Chelsea's Club World Cup Glory
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55:53Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. After Chelsea's Club World Cup win at the weekend, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by author Nick Purewal, who discusses his book Sanctioned: The Inside Story of the Sale of Chelsea FC about the sanctioning of Roman Abramovich and the sale of Chelsea FC. Here we give a unique in…
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Capturing Light – Episode 164 with Francois Dagenais, CSC
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48:50In this episode, we talk about Navigating the industry. Pre-production and creating the look of the show Smoke Some technical specs of the show. Shooting on Venice 2 and Hawk lenses Director of Photography: Francois Dagenais, CSC www.francoisdagenaisdp.com https://www.instagram.com/francoisdagenais/ Check out the trailer to: Smoke Check out the scr…
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The Best Football Quiz Ever? It Was What It Was vs Football Cliches
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1:44:14Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In a week where we marked our 100th episode, we bring you the quiz between our podcast It Was What It Was against Football Cliches. Without co-host Rob Draper, It Was What It Was brought in John Brewin alongside producer Pat Moore to join Jonathan Wilson in an epic battle against Football…
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This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. This episode is the latest in our monthly series, PM Talks, where I’m joined by m…
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Episode 100: Herbert Chapman, Huddersfield and Historic Three In A Row
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51:48Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. To mark our 100th episode, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper revisit one of the game’s true pioneers: Herbert Chapman. Long before his Arsenal legacy, Chapman transformed Huddersfield Town in the 1920s, laying the groundwork for modern football and guiding them to become the first c…
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How Abu Dhabi Took Over Manchester City | Part Two
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47:31Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In the second and final episode of our exploration into Abu Dhabi's takeover of Manchester City, Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper uncover the strategic, political, and historical forces behind one of the most transformative moves in modern football. Incorporating expert commentary from…
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Ben Chelf Talks About Reimagining Reading and the Power of Presence
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How Abu Dhabi Took Over Manchester City | Part One
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46:38Welcome back to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper explore the complex history behind the Abu Dhabi takeover of Manchester City. The discussion begins with a chilling recount of a 1984 assassination of UAE ambassador Khalifa Ahmad Mubarak, claimed by the Arab Revolutionary Brigades. Thi…
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Capturing Light – Episode 163 with Rick Joaquim, SASC
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29:52In this episode, we talk about How music can affect your visual language. Navigating the industry. Pre-production and creating the look of the show Can You See Us? Director of Photography: Rick Joaquim, SASC https://www.rickjoaquim.com/pages/contact https://www.instagram.com/rickjoaquim/ Check out the trailer to: Can You See Us. Check out the Scree…
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Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week, Jonathan and Rob look into the tragic and fascinating latter years of Diego Maradona's professional football career during the 1990s. Jonathan and Rob explore Maradona's struggles with cocaine addiction, legal troubles, and numerous attempts to revive his career amidst a nation…
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Jenny Wood Talks About Wild Courage and Fearless Self-Advocacy
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46:10This episode is sponsored by Bento Focus — the ADHD-friendly focus timer that helps you do less, better. Limit your day to three meaningful tasks, build calm routines, and stay focused with beautiful Japanese-inspired themes. Try it today at dub.sh/mike-bento-podcast. In this episode of A Productive Conversation, I'm joined by Jenny Wood — author o…
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