Best Verification Forward Testing Podcasts (2025)

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From natural language to UI tests: A deep dive into Journeys for Android Studio 44:57

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Hosts Tor and Chet are joined by Adarsh Fernando, a Product Manager, and Ray Buse, a Software Engineer, to discuss Journeys for Android Studio. Powered by Gemini's vision and reasoning, Journeys aims to simplify end-to-end test creation and maintenance by converting the natural language you provide to describe the steps and assertions for each test…

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Android developer verification 45:22

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To protect users from malware and scams, Android has announced a new layer of security: developer verification. While this is nothing new for Google Play Store apps, Android is extending this to the entire Android ecosystem. Host Tor is joined by Matthew, Patrick, Naheed, and Raz to discuss this latest security update that deters bad actors and cre…

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Autofill in Compose 44:22

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In this episode of Android Back Stage, Hosts Tor, and Chet are joined by Melba and Ralston, Software Engineers on the Compose Team, to talk about Autofill in Compose. Learn about Autofill services, best practices, and more! Chapters: 0:00 - Intro 0:40 - What is Autofill? 1:21 - Autofill team journey and semantics 2:15 - Defining semantics in Compos…

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Back it up, bring it back: No data left behind 48:50

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It can be a draw when setting up a new device. Some info transfers, while some don't. Learn how developers can ensure the best user experience when people backup and restore an Android device. Hosts Tor and Chet are joined by Graham and Piyush on the Android Consumer Experience team and Alon on the Android Studio team to discuss Android backup and …

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Bot to the Future: Two Years Later 46:27

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Join Tor and Siva Velusamy and Sandhya Mohan from the Android Studio team to learn about the latest updates to Studio Bot (Gemini in Android Studio) that dropped at Google I/O 2025 including Agent Mode. Building on their conversation from two years ago about the Studio Bot, they explore Gemini's role in every stage of development, from design to bu…

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Kotlin Multiplatform: Have your code and eat it too 58:08

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Software Engineers Dustin Lam and Yigit Boyar join host Tor Norbye to chat all about Kotlin Multiplatform. Resources: Tor's Bluesky → https://goo.gle/4iLXEAg Yigit's Bluesky → https://goo.gle/4dmsYVj

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Linting on the Side of Caution: Safety & Security 50:31

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What is app safety for Android? What is the Android team working on to ensure developers and users alike enjoy safe and reliable apps? Watch along as Tor Norbye, Chet Haase, Romain Guy, Theresa Khuu, Naheed Vora take a deep dive backstage and discuss what's new in the Android safety space. Resources: Enhanced Tools for Secure & Efficient Developmen…

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Episode 213: Compose runtime and performance 56:56

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In this episode, Tor and Romain chat with Leland and Chuck from the Compose team about performance -- recent optimizations, upcoming optimizations, and challenges. Leland: @intelligibabble.bsky.social Chuck: @chuckjaz.bsky.social Tor: @tornorbye.bsky.social Romain: @romainguy, @romainguy.dev, [email protected] Catch videos on YouTube → ht…

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Episode 212: Happy birthday, Android Studio! 1:00:50

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In this episode Chet, Romain and Tor chat with Xav and Jamal from the Android Studio team to talk about the history of Android's IDE. Chapters: Intro (00:00) Topic of the day - Android Studio releases (00:59) What was before Android studio? (2:33) Eclipse (7:22) Jamal joins Android (13:56) Android studio 1.0 (16:40) Android studio 1.0 - launch (21:…

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Episode 211: Rules about performance tools 1:10:15

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In this episode Chet, Romain and Tor chat with Shai Barack about how the Android platform team studies performance and understands system health - and what is system health anyway? We talk about measuring performance, deciding trade-offs, and our favorite tools such as Perfetto, Compiler Explorer, and Android Studio's Memory Profiler. Chapters: Int…

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Episode 210: Studio Jewelry 50:38

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In this episode Chet, Romain and Tor chat with Sebastiano about how the Android Studio team builds UIs. We talk about how Compose for Desktop is used in parts of Android Studio and how the Compose Markdown renderer available in the Jewel library makes Studio Bot tick. Chapters: Intro (00:00) Android Dev UX team (00:39) What kind of libraries and la…

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Episode 209: Compose animations 59:36

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In this episode Chet, Romain and Tor chat with Doris Liu from the Compose team about animations in Compose -- covering everything from the basic primitives up to the recently added Shared Element Transitions. Chapters: Intro (00:00) Animation capabilities of Compose (1:06) Different types of animation specs (3:43) Layers of functionality, transitio…

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Episode 208: Micro optimizations 51:12

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In this episode Tor and Romain find themselves without a guest and decide to chat about micro optimizations and writing custom tools. Tor and Romain Chapters: Intro (00:00) Micro optimizations (00:32) Kotlin explorer (3:25) Avoiding object allocations (6:49) Code Inefficiencies (8:10) Compilers (12:13) Understand assembly with AI (18:39) Layout opt…

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Episode 207: AI development assistance 52:20

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In this episode we talk with Kathy Korevec from the AIDA team at Google about AI assisted developer tools, such as Android Studio -- which is using Gemini AI models provided by AIDA. Romain, Kathy, and Tor Kathy: twitter.com/simpsoka Romain: @romainguy, threads.net/@romainguy, [email protected] Tor: threads.net/@tor.norbye and tornorbye@a…

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Episode 206: Make it faster 1:00:52

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In this episode we cover ADB -- not "Android Developers Backstage", but "Android Debug Bridge", the technology powering device connections. Romain and Tor talk with Fabien Sanglard from the Android Studio team on his work to improve the debug stack -- including the new USB speed detection feature recently unveiled at Google I/O. Chapters: Intro (00…

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Episode 205: Time for Playtime 46:50

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In this episode, Tor, Romain, and Chet talk with Aurash Mahbod from the Play Games team at Google -- covering trends in mobile games, challenges for Android games developers, console games, and more! Chapters: Intro (00:00) What's Aurash working on currently? (02:40) How much is Play store providing users with content based on previous interests? (…

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Episode 204: Fan'otations 52:33

2y ago52:33

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In this episode, Tor, Romain, and Chet talk about one of Tor's favorite topics: Lint! Specifically, we talk about Lint checks and the annotations that use them to enable better, more robust, and more self-documenting APIs. Lint: It's not just for pockets anymore. Chapters: Intro (00:00) Lint checks for annotations (01:50) Lint checks in Android (05…

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Episode 203: (W)rap 58:19

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In this episode, Tor, Romain, and Chet talk about some of the many things that happened this year in the world of Android development, including new devices and form factors, tool improvements, AndroidX features and libraries, and Jetpack Compose releases. And any tech podcast would be remiss without mentioning AI/ML, so we talk about that too. Tor…

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Episode 202: AndroidX, Gradle and Metalava 53:56

2y ago53:56

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In this episode, Tor and Romain chat with Aurimas Liutikas from the AndroidX team. Topics include performance tuning the AndroidX Gradle builds using configuration caching, local caching and remote caching, as well as tracking API compatibility using the Metalava tool. Aurimas, Romain and Tor Romain: @romainguy, threads.net/@romainguy, romainguy@an…

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Episode 201: Firebase in Android Studio 44:53

2y ago44:53

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In this episode, Tor and Romain chat with Greg Baker and Joe Baker-Malone about exciting new Android Studio features made possible by Firebase integration. Physical device streaming allows you to connect remotely to physical devices hosted in Google's secure data centers and use them for all your development needs. We also explore other time saving…

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Episode 200: WebGPU 50:26

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In this episode, Chet and Romain speak with Ken Russell and Corentin Wallez from the WebGPU team. WebGPU is a new API that brings modern GPU rendering and compute functionality to web and other platforms (including Android!). We talk about the genesis and capabilities of WebGPU, WGSL (WebGPU's new shading language), the state of WebGL (the predeces…

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Episode 199: Compose performance 1:02:25

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This time, Romain, Tor, and Chet talk with Leland Richardson, George Mount, and Chuck Jazdzewski from the Jetpack Compose team about performance. The team has been looking at performance issues recently and discusses what they've found, what gotchas lie in wait for library developers, what tools and compilers can magically handle for you... and wha…

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Episode 198: Location location location, revisited 44:24

2+ y ago44:24

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Since our original episode on location nearly nine years ago, a lot has happened in the location support for Android. In this episode, Wyatt Riley and Roy Want answer all of Tor's questions about how it works and cover recent developments like indoor location, elevation, and some tips for developers. Wyatt, Roy and Tor. Links: Getting started guide…

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Episode 197: Studio Bot 46:00

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You saw it at Google I/O - now you can hear about it in the comfort of your own headphones! Tor, Romain, and Chet talk with Siva Velusamy and Sandhya Mohan from the Android Studio team about the just-launched Studio Bot. This new AI-powered assistant enables conversational queries in the IDE to help with coding, commenting, confusion, or if you jus…

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Episode 196: Android Studio, behind the scenes 49:08

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Raluca Sauciuc joins Tor and Romain to talk about what goes on behind the scenes in Android Studio. Raluca takes us through the tools and workflows used by the Android Studio team to improve performance and memory usage, and avoid future regressions. She also explains how the team adopts new versions of the IntelliJ IDE and platform, and how they c…

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Episode 195: Mainlining 44:59

3y ago44:59

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Chet and Romain talk to Jeff Hamilton and Anton Hansson from the Mainline team about "modular system components", and the new SDK extension framework which lets developers access them. Anton Hansson top right, and Jeff Hamilton bottom left, with Romain and Chet Blog post: https://goo.gle/3S1c3g4 AndroidX convenience constants, e.g. T_EXTENSION_INT:…

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Episode 194: Subtext 53:14

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This time, Tor, Romain, and Chet were joined by Siyamed Sinir and Sean McQuillan from the Android Text team to talk about, well, text. Which, it turns out, is a very deep, complicated, and constantly evolving technology. The conversation covered everything from the fundamentals of the text stack on Android to the capabilities and implementation of …

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Episode 193: Kotlin 45:53

3y ago45:53

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In this episode, James Ward joins Chet, Tor, and Romain to talk about Kotlin. We talked about Kotlin Multiplatform (both KMP and KMM) and what's coming for Kotlin in 2023, especially the new K2 frontend. James, Tor, Romain, and Chet. Links: Kotlin Kotlin Multiplatform (KMP) Kotlin Multiplatform Mobile (KMM) Jetpack Multiplatform Libraries Compose M…

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Episode 192: The Path Forward 57:48

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This time, Romain and Chet ditched Tor so that they could geek out about graphics, talking about paths, Bézier curves, morphing, and more. Romain and Chet alone in the recording Studio. Links: V9: Vector 9-patches Pathway: Path data querying Android Path Shape Shifter Bézier Primer The Beauty of Bézier Curves Chet: @chethaase Romain: @romainguy…

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Episode 191: Compose Lazy Layouts 51:53

3y ago51:53

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We recorded episode 191 from the studio in the London office, where Rebecca Franks from the developer relations team joined Chet as a guest host. We talked with Andrei Shikov, Matvei Malkov, and Andrey Kulikov from the Jetpack Compose engineering team about layouts, especially the lazy ones, which are the Compose equivalent of RecyclerView. Rebecca…

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Episode 190: Performance Review 52:57

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In this episode, Tor and Chet learn some more about performance from Carmen. Carmen works on the Android Platform Performance team and is an expert on everything related to performance. This is the perfect episode for you if you ever wanted to learn more about R8, perfetto, baseline profiles, custom performance tracing, power metrics, etc. Tor, Car…

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Episode 189: Video Conference 50:06

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In this episode (the first in-studio-with-guests recording since early 2020!), Tor and Chet spoke with Marc Bächinger, Toni Heidenreich, and Andrew Lewis from the Android Media team, where they work on video technologies and APIs like ExoPlayer. We talked about the evolution of ExoPlayer and platform media capabilities as well as ongoing and near-f…

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Episode 188: Android 13 51:36

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It's our first episode back in the studio, and in a new, shiny studio too! In this episode, we talk about some of our favorite new features and changes of the new version of Android, both for users and developers. More importantly, the audio quality of this episode is much better thanks to the amazing work from the media production teams at Google.…

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Episode 187: System UI: A Retrospective 43:52

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"Our job isn't to remove complexity, but to manage it"- Glen Murphy (as remembered by Dan) In this episode, we talk with Dan Sandler and Adam Cohen from the SystemUI team. We dip into a bit of history, talking about where things were at when they joined the team (2009-10), and how things have developed in the many years since, including how these p…

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Future 21:37

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FEATURED VOICES IN THIS EPISODE Dan Guido Dan Guido is the CEO of Trail of Bits, a cybersecurity firm he founded in 2012 to address software security challenges with cutting-edge research. In his tenure leading Trail of Bits, Dan has grown the team to 80 engineers, led the team to compete in the DARPA Cyber Grand Challenge, built an industry-leadin…

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It Depends 21:05

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FEATURED VOICES IN THIS EPISODE Clint Bruce Clint Bruce is a former Navy Special Warfare Officer, a graduate of the US Naval Academy, decorated athlete, and seasoned entrepreneur. A 4-year letter winner at Navy playing middle linebacker, captain and MVP of the ’96 Aloha Bowl Championship team, he was named to multiple all-star teams his senior year…

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W/Internships 21:33

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Featured Voices in this Episode: Trent Brunson Trent Brunson is a Principal Security Engineer and Research Practice Manager at Trail of Bits. He has worked in computer security since 2012 as a researcher and engineer at Assured Information Security in Rome, NY, and at the Georgia Tech Research Institute, where he served as the Threat Intelligence B…

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Immutable 20:22

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FEATURED VOICES IN THIS EPISODE Dan Guido Dan Guido is the CEO of Trail of Bits, a cybersecurity firm he founded in 2012 to address software security challenges with cutting-edge research. In his tenure leading Trail of Bits, Dan has grown the team to 80 engineers, led the team to compete in the DARPA Cyber Grand Challenge, built an industry-leadin…

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Zero Knowledge Proofs and ZKDocs 21:08

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FEATURED VOICES IN THIS EPISODE Jim Miller Jim Miller is the cryptography team lead at Trail of Bits. Before joining Trail of Bits, Jim attended graduate programs at both Cambridge and Yale, where he studied and researched both Number Theory and Cryptography, focusing on topics such as lattice-based cryptography and zero-knowledge proofs. During hi…

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Trailer 1:46

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PRODUCTION STAFF Story Editor: Chris Julin Associate Editor: Emily Haavik Executive Producer: Nick Selby Executive Producer: Dan Guido RECORDING Recorded at Rocky Hill Studios, Ghent, NY - Nick Selby, Engineer Remote recordings were conducted at Whistler, BC, Canada Edited and Mastered by Chris Julin Trail of Bits supports and adheres to the Tape S…

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Episode 186: Live Edit 43:20

3+ y ago43:20

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In this episode, we talk with Alan and Esteban from Android Studio about the new "Live Edit" feature recently launched at Google I/O in the Electric Eel canary build. We dive into the technology -- how it works, what the technical challenges are, and its current state. Chet with Esteban and Alan on the top row, Romain and Tor below Links: https://g…

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Episode 185: Play Store 30:48

3+ y ago30:48

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In this episode we chat with Jon and Andrew from the Play team about the Play Store app. The Play Store recently went through a major refactoring of their app, and Jon and Andrew will guide you through the reasons why they did it, the impact on their architecture, what problems they ran into, and why they decided to adopt Jetpack Compose for the UI…

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Episode 184: Skia and AGSL - Shaders of Things to Come 43:15

3+ y ago43:15

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In this episode we chat with Derek and Brian from the Skia team about Skia, pixel shaders, and the new "AGSL" API that lets you provide pixel shaders for advanced graphics effects, which was recently added to the preview release of Android T. If you're interested in graphics technology, this is the episode for you. If you're not interested in graph…

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Episode 183: Baseline Profiles 41:56

3+ y ago41:56

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In this episode we chat with Rahul and Leland from the Android toolkit team about "baseline profiles", a new mechanism which lets applications ship with profiling metadata used at application install time to make it start faster. We discuss how this is used in Jetpack Compose, cloud profiles in general, and more. Chet, Romain, Rahul, Leland and Tor…

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Episode 182: Large screens are a big deal 42:54

4y ago42:54

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In this episode, Clara (Android Toolkit), Florina (Android Developer Relations), and Daniel (Android Product Management) join your usual hosts to talk about large screens, what they are and what they mean for app developers. You will also learn about the resources at your disposal to build high quality experiences on large screen devices: from samp…

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Episode 181: Architecture → Fewer bugs at the end 37:03

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In this episode, we chat with Yigit Boyar (again!) from the Android Toolkit Team and Manuel Vivo from the Developer Relations team about application architecture. The team has released new architecture guidance, and we talk about that guidance here, as well as how our architecture recommendations apply in the new Jetpack Compose world. Yigit, Tor, …

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Episode 180: Kotlin Magic Platform 46:15

4y ago46:15

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In this episode, we chat with Yigit Boyar from the Android Toolkit Team about Kotlin multi platform, while Romain provides light background music on his piano.Yigit: @yigitboyar Romain: @romainguy Chet: @chethaase Tor: @tornorbye Subscribe to Android Developers → https://goo.gle/AndroidDevsBy Google

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Episode 179: Flibberty Widget 34:07

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In this episode, Chet and Romain talked with Nicole McWilliams and Petr Čermák from the London engineering office about their work on App Widgets and Digital Wellbeing. Romain: @romainguy Chet: @chethaase Tor: @tornorbye Nicole: @nicolelaure Subscribe to Android Developers → https://goo.gle/AndroidDevs…

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Episode 178: Hosts 3, Guests 0 41:44

4y ago41:44

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In this episode, Chet, Romain and Tor sit down to chat about the Android DevSummit, and in particular all the new features arriving in Android Studio, along with a few other topics like Chet's new jank stats library, the Android 12L release, and more. Top row: Chet and Tor. Bottom row: Romain. The Android Studio talk discussed is https://goo.gle/3c…

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Episode 177: Honor every photon 45:08

4y ago45:08

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In this episode, Bart Wronski takes Tor, Romain, and Chet through the camera pipeline that powers the Pixel phones. We talked about how cameras capture images, and how the algorithms responsible for Pixel's beautiful images work. If you've ever wondered how HDR+ or Night Sight works, this episode if for you! Top row: Tor and Bart. Bottom row: Chet …