Stories about how hard things build stronger humans who have more fun. Guests from pro cycling, sports, politics, business, tech, journalism, the military and more. Resilience, grit, mental health, high performance, mindfulness. Host Andrew Vontz is an entrepreneur & co-founder of TheBetterLab.io, the company that helps you build mindful, science-backed practices to sleep better. Previously, he was a Strava executive; a communications leader at the human performance company, TRX; and a journ ...
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The Stable Cyclist is a place where we gather to talk about bikes (mostly MTB), mentality and Mental Health. Come with as the host JP, invites you in to conversations with people he’s met over the years. We won’t have stories about how to train or how to win a bike race here. Instead we’ll hear about what goes on in these athlete’s minds and sometimes we’ll even dive into the deep end of the pool and talk about mental health
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15 Minutes Is Enough to Train – Spencer Martin (Beyond the Peloton / WEDU) x Andrew Vontz (Choose the Hard Way / One Real Voice))
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21:32Spencer Martin of Beyond the Peloton / WEDU / Peacock's Tour de France team & Andrew Vontz, co-host of the Beyond the Peloton podcast & creator of the Choose the Hard Way podcast & newsletter talk about why 15 minute training sessions count and how we get it done on the road, at the playground with the kids or at home. We're both dads, bike racers …
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KAIT BOYLE | RESILIENCE, RECOVERY AND MAKING HISTORY AT MARJI GESICK | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:29:35This week’s guest is Kait Boyle, one of the most respected names in ultra-endurance mountain biking. Kait’s journey is one of transformation — from her early days in outdoor education to becoming a professional MTB racer and 24-Hour World Champion. She shares what drew her to the world of endurance riding, how it shaped her view on challenge and gr…
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MADDY NUTT | THE COURAGE TO CHASE YOUR DREAMS | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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47:23This week’s guest is Maddy Nutt (@maddy_nutt) a British professional gravel racer who just represented Team Great Britain at the UCI Gravel World Championships. Joining me from London, Maddy reflects on her incredible 2024 season and the journey that led her from a traditional job to racing full-time across the globe. We dive deep into identity on …
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Dylan Johnson - Always Finish the Race You Start - The Long Walk at Big Sugar
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39:53Pro cyclist Dylan Johnson & Choose the Hard Way creator Andrew Vontz on why you should always finish the races you start. Choose the Hard Way is the show about how hard things build stronger humans who have more fun. This conversation explores why Dylan Johnson walked two hours in road bike shoes on gravel to get to the finish line in the Big Sugar…
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ALEXIS CARTIER | BIKEPACKING THE ENTIRE LIFETIME GRAND PRIX | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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56:52This week on The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP welcomes Alexis Cartier, the Canadian gravel racer redefining what it means to commit to a cause. A professional rider from Montreal and passionate advocate for climate action, Alexis has made headlines this year by choosing to ride his bike to every race in the LifeTime Grand Prix, rather than flying or …
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TILLY SHULL | THE ART AND EMOTION OF GRAVEL MEDIA | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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55:08In this special episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP sits down with gravel cycling’s photography star, Tilly Shull. Known for her stunning imagery and storytelling from inside the LifeTime Grand Prix, Tilly shares what life is really like behind the lens at some of the biggest gravel events in the world. She and JP talk about the intensity and…
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Josh Turek - 2x Paralympic Gold Medalist - U.S. Senate candidate from Iowa - ex Pro Wheelchair Basketball Player
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46:42Josh Turek knows how to win. A U.S. Senate candidate, current Iowa State Legislator, and two-time Paralympic gold medalist for Team USA, Josh joins Andrew Vontz & Jonathan Kaplan on United States of Sweat presented by Choose the Hard Way. This is the show where politicians and policymakers share stories about fitness, health and the sports they lov…
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JUSTIN MCQUERRY | LIFE IN PRO GRAVEL WITH TYPE 1 DIABETES | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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59:16In this episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP is joined by professional gravel racer Justin McQuerry. Justin shares his journey from chasing a spot in the WorldTour to finding his home in the thriving world of gravel racing. Along the way, he opens up about the highs and lows of pursuing a career in cycling, and how the sport has evolved to pro…
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HOLY SPIRIT OF GRAVEL l FROM ANONYMOUS VOICE TO CONTENT ICON | THE STABLE CYCLIST PODCAST
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1:07:42In this episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP is joined by the one and only Holy Spirit of Gravel — one of the most unique and recognizable voices in the gravel community. What began as a fun, anonymous account built on wit and cycling passion has quickly become a movement. The Spirit shares her story of how she fell in love with gravel, why sh…
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Hey everyone, don't panic, we'll all be back together for more stories soon enough. I am just in the middle of the beginning of the school year and the middle of the soccer season and my time is extremely finite, so here's a little update. Hopefully we are back on track next week, or maybe later.By John Peter
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Pro Cyclist Payson McElveen - The Hardest Ride Is the One You Don't See - on Creativity, Pressure & What Comes Next
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1:13:41Choose the Hard Way creator Andrew Vontz (@hardwaypod) in conversation with pro cyclist Payson McElveen (@paysonmcelveen), Red Bull athlete and creator of the With Pace podcast & Riding with Pace YouTube channel. In a sport filled with mustaches, Payson McElveen has the most famous mustache. Payson's palmares includes a pair of wins at The Mid Sout…
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The Bicycle Station’s Trey Shepard on Balance, Humility & Gravel Life
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50:57This week on The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP sits down with Trey Shepard — one half of the duo behind the viral bike build channel, The Bicycle Station. Alongside Jesse Smith, Trey has helped launch the channel into one of the fastest-growing platforms in the gravel cycling scene. JP and Trey dive into the “holy crap” moment at Unbound when it felt …
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INNOKENTY ZAVYALOV | MOVING ON AND FINDING IDENTITY | THE STABLE CYCLIST PODCAST
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49:32Innokenty Zavyalov is a former professional road and gravel racer from Minneapolis, MN. After a career on the road, Inno made the move to gravel in the post pandemic era. He found quick results and big success but along the way he felt lost and ultimately, last year walked away from the sport. This is a tremendous conversation recorded in person in…
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Stephen Starring Grant - Author of MAILMAN: My Wild Ride Delivering the Mail in Appalachia and Finally Finding Home
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1:06:25Choose the Hard Way creator Andrew Vontz in conversation with Steve Grant, author of the memoir MAILMAN: My Wild Ride Delivering the Mail in Appalachia and Finally Finding Home. With rave reviews in The New York Times, the Washington Post, The New Yorker and The Atlantic, the memoir MAILMAN: My Wild Ride Delivering the Mail in Appalachia and Finall…
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Post-A-Race Blues: How I Avoid the Mental Crash | The Bootleg Miles
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8:25After six years chasing the MDH100, I crossed the finish line in tears — not because it was over, but because the dream was finally real. But here’s the truth: once the glow fades, the post-race crash can creep in fast. If you’re not careful, that fog can pull you into depression — and I’ve been there. In this episode of Bootleg Miles, I share the …
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Kathryn Taylor | Girls Gone Gravel Founder and Community Builder | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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53:33Kathryn Taylor is the visionary founder behind Girls Gone Gravel, a groundbreaking community that connects and empowers women cyclists around the world. In this episode, Kathryn shares the origin story of Girls Gone Gravel — from starting a simple Instagram account to leading a thriving movement with events, online groups, and thousands of members.…
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EMERGENCY POD | JP and DEREK WALLACE TALK ABOUT THE MAAH DAAH HEY 100 | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:16:20Director of Photography Aaron Haugen sits down with JP and Derek to talk about their race at the Maah Daah Hey 100 on August 2nd. The trio talks about what went well, what their low points were and why the race is so hard. But they also talk a lot about the value of friends and community and how the race weekend and their experience together galvan…
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Brad Huff on Purpose, Life After Racing and Mental Health | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:28:08🚨 Content Warning: This episode includes open discussions about mental health, emotional struggles, and contains strong language. Please listen with care. Brad Huff is a decorated American cyclist known for his sprinting power, charisma, and relentless work ethic. With a career spanning teams like Jelly Belly and Rally Pro Cycling, Brad was a fan f…
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Rahm Emanuel was the U.S. Ambassador to Japan from 2022 to 2025. Prior to that, he served as the White House Chief of Staff from 2009 to 2010 under President Barack Obama, and as the Mayor of Chicago from 2011 to 2019. He also represented Illinois in the U.S. House of Representatives from 2003 to 2009. Welcome back to United States of Sweat present…
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Adam Saban Talks About Coaching JP "Back to the Start" | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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33:24When I started working on the Back to the Start project back in 2023, Adam Saban and I crossed paths. He offered his services to me for free as a coach. His guidance and support have been really important in me getting to this starting line. So I wanted to talk about some of the things we did. How we moved very slowly at first but in a way that als…
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Joe Goettl | Resilience, Racing, and Making Media that Matters | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:21:26Joe Goettl is more than just a professional gravel racer—he’s a storyteller, a survivor of chronic pain, and one of the sport’s rising media talents. In this episode, JP sits down with Joe to explore his unique path from a promising young runner in Minnesota to the harsh realities of long-term injury and physical setbacks. After years of battling c…
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Cameron Jones - Unbound Gravel 2025 Champion
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1:07:21Cameron Jones won the 2025 edition of the 205-mile Unbound Gravel, the most competitive edition ever of the most prestigious gravel race on the planet. Three months earlier, he showed up in America, walked into a used car dealership in the Bay Area, walked off the lot with a used Honda Odyssey and a dream to make this his best season ever. But thes…
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One Hour to Train - What do you do? w/ Spencer Martin of Beyond the Peloton / WEDU x Andrew Vontz of Choose the Hard Way
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19:20You've got an hour or less to train, what do you do? Spencer Martin of the Beyond the Peloton newsletter & podcast + WEDU's Outcomes / The Move takes a break from the Tour de France to join Choose the Hard Way creator Andrew Vontz to talk about what they do when life and work are at max stress and you have little time to workout. Is Zone 2 really t…
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Matthew Fisher | All Bodies on Bikes DFW | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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44:39Matthew Fisher is the leader of the Dallas-Fort Worth chapter of All Bodies on Bikes. In this episode, Matt and JP talk about the difficulty of entry into the bike world for non-traditional individuals, how to ask the right questions at a bike shop to find the bike for you and the unmet dream of racing The Mid South. https://www.allbodiesonbikes.co…
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Ask Me Anything w/Chase Wark | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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37:47Watch Chase's Latest Off the Front Episode about the Lutsen 99er: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3zEu0R_3RM&t=158s In this episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, Chase Wark joins JP to field listener and viewers questions shortly after Chase's big win at the Lutsen 99er. They cover everything from training as parents to tattoos, from music to bak…
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Spencer Martin on Beyond the Peloton, The Move, and Finding Cycling
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1:42:17Spencer Martin is widely considered one of the sharpest minds in modern cycling analysis. As the creator of the Beyond the Peloton newsletter and podcast, Spencer has built a loyal following for his data-driven, narrative-rich takes on the world’s biggest races. He’s also the producer behind The Move, the popular WEDU podcast hosted by Lance Armstr…
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List Making at Lutsen Mountain | The Bootleg Miles
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8:35In this episode of the Bootleg Miles, JP goes to Lutsen, MN where he is about to film the Lutsen 99er for the next episode of Off the Front, his series about Chase Wark. But JP wants to share something much more personal. On this ride, he shares how listmaking transformed his life after being diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder in 2020. JP outlines how…
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Carson Beckett on Becoming National Champ | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:02:20Learn more about Dirt Camp Racing: https://www.dirtcampracing.com/ Carson Beckett is the current Elite Marathon National Champion and is preparing to defend his title at Carvin’s Cove in Roanoke, Virginia. In this episode, Carson sits down with JP to unpack the journey to becoming a national champion—what it meant to chase the stars-and-stripes jer…
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Tom Perriello: Congressman, Special Envoy - United States of Sweat
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56:14Welcome back to United States of Sweat presented by Choose the Hard Way where politicians and policymakers join us to share stories about fitness, health and the sports they love playing. In 2008 Tom Perriello won the election to represent Virginia's 5th Congressional district by fewer than 1,000 votes. He later ran for governor of Virginia and he …
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Selene Yeager | How to Show Up for the Women in Your Life | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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55:13Mental Health Project : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-stable-cyclist-maah-daah-hey-film-3/x/33398252#/ ROAR: https://tinyurl.com/jw3kmn2b NEXT LEVEL: https://tinyurl.com/yms3ue6c In this week's episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP sits down with Selene Yeager—known to many as the FitChick from Bicycling magazine and more recently as a…
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The Hotdish | A Race, A Rescue and One Wild Year | The Bootleg Miles
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11:20Mental Health Project : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-stable-cyclist-maah-daah-hey-film-3/x/33398252#/ Chase Wark Docu-Series : https://youtu.be/lxHdcdeQ7Bk?si=Rue4xkplPKh7psJQ How much has your life changed in the last year? One year ago, I met Chase Wark and was struggling to find my rhythm with the podcast and with my projects. Fast for…
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Crystal Kovacs | Redefining Gravel Culture with the Rise of Dirt Squad Cycling | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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28:05Mental Health Project : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-stable-cyclist-maah-daah-hey-film-3/x/33398252#/ This week on The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP sits down with Crystal Kovacs—founder and driving force behind Dirt Squad Cycling—for a heartfelt and honest conversation recorded live at the 2025 Unbound Expo. Crystal opens up about her perso…
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Badlands Gravel Battle - Where One Conversation Changed My Life | The Bootleg Miles | Episode 7
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9:36Mental Health Project : https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-stable-cyclist-maah-daah-hey-film-3/x/33398252#/ Chase Wark Docu-Series : https://youtu.be/lxHdcdeQ7Bk?si=Rue4xkplPKh7psJQ In this episode, I return to the Badlands Gravel Battle—the race that unknowingly changed the trajectory of my life back in 2018. That year, I arrived unknowingly b…
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Bobby Wintle | Music, Mid-South, and the Emotional Toll of Gravel's Biggest Events | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:21:00Mental Health Project : https://igg.me/at/lKG7bQK7eJc/x/33398252#/ Chase Wark Docu-Series : https://youtu.be/lxHdcdeQ7Bk?si=rdpFwJj8MJeIPN6D In this deeply personal and emotionally charged episode, recorded inside Merchant Cycles in Emporia, Kansas just before Unbound 2025, host John Peter sits down with Bobby Wintle—race director of the legendary …
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United States of Sweat with Ambassador Jeff Flake - Desert Island Survival, Long-Distance Swimming & More
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41:43During a divided time in America, our love of sports and fitness cross party lines and can keep us healthy as individuals and bring us together as a nation. The United States of Sweat is a new series from Choose the Hard Way that features the world's leading political leaders and policy makers sharing stories about what they do to stay healthy, fit…
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Ian Boswell | Unbound, Team Sky and Redefining Cycling | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:12:02What happens when a pro cyclist walks away at the top? Ian Boswell joins us for a deep and honest conversation about his years with Team Sky and Katusha, the toll of concussions, and the identity crisis that followed his Unbound Gravel win. In this vulnerable episode, Ian opens up about leaving WorldTour racing, redefining success off the podium, a…
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Logan Kasper on Unbound XL, FKTs, and the Truth About Winning | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:22:46In this episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, ultra-endurance legend Logan Kasper reflects on the highs, lows, and honest truths of his racing career. From winning Unbound XL to setting the Eastern Divide FKT, Logan has carved out a reputation as one of gravel’s most driven and underrated riders. But what happens after a win at one of the sport’s …
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From Start up to End up - From The Better Lab to One Real Voice & Beyond - Andrew Vontz x Shannon Jones
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2:00:05Subscribe to the Choose the Hard Way substack at www.alwaysthehardway.substack.com for a look behind the scenes of this episode and human-generated insights about bikes, zen and life. Walking away from an executive role at a high-growth unicorn to go all-in & start up your own company sounds cool. What happens when a highly promising start up with …
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Getting the Lauf Seigla Ready to Ride | The Bootleg Miles | Episode 6
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8:32Mental Health Project: https://tinyurl.com/me5h4zme Maah Daah Hey: https://tinyurl.com/bddhjse4 Maah Daah Hey: TOGETHER: https://tinyurl.com/369c6an9 Silca Blog: https://tinyurl.com/265pa7pz Bankruptcy Bike Build: https://tinyurl.com/tnak2svs Silca Support for Mental Health Project: https://tinyurl.com/me5h4zme Two weeks ago at Granny’s Gravel Grin…
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Amanda Nauman Sheek | A Hall of Fame Career Built on Support | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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55:34Amanda Nauman Sheek is being inducted into the Gravel Cycling Hall of Fame—but her biggest wins aren’t just on paper. In this episode, Amanda reflects on what’s truly defined her career: not just Unbound and MidSouth victories, but the behind-the-scenes support, mentorship, and community that made those moments possible. As she prepares for her Hal…
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Thomas Euler | Storytelling is the Future of Gravel | The Stable Cyclist EMERGENCY Podcast
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57:30In this emergency episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, we dive deep into the power of storytelling with Germany’s gravel media mastermind Thomas Euler. Known for his work on the Aut-Said Gravel and Gracing podcasts alongside Paul Voss, his writing on the Gravel Stack Substack, and published feature in Escape Collective, Thomas brings a unique med…
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Pete Stetina | Gravel Was Salvation to My Cycling Career | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:11:27Pete Stetina is one of the most passionate figures in American cycling especially when it comes to the discipline of gravel. In this deeply personal episode of The Gravel Gospel, Pete opens up about the long road from WorldTour stardom to gravel salvation. We revisit his days riding with some of the biggest teams in the world, including helping Ryd…
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Granny’s Gravel Grinder | My Wildest Gravel Adventure EVER!!! The Bootleg Miles | Episode 5
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10:32What happens when you show up to race... but miss the start because you're filming the race director for a documentary? That’s exactly what went down at Granny’s Gravel Grinder, a Central Minnesota gravel race hosted by Chase Wark and Wark's Cycling Services. With over 400 riders across multiple distances, the event brought big community energy, ro…
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Ben Delaney | Gravel Evangelist & Veteran of Cycling Journalism | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:01:45In this special Gravel Gospel episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, JP welcomes one of gravel cycling’s most respected voices—Ben Delaney. With a journalism résumé that includes VeloNews, CyclingNews, BikeRadar, Outside, CyclingTips, Cycling Weekly, and Cyclist, Ben has shaped how we talk about bikes for nearly two decades. Now forging his own pat…
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The Gravel Gospel is Here on The Stable Cyclist
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1:47In the month of May, we will be taking everyone on a journey through the Gravel Gospel as we anticipate Unbound. Instead of our normal 2-3 guests, JP sits down with gravel evangelists Ben Delaney, Amanda Nauman-Sheek, Pete Stetina, Logan Kasper and Ian Boswell. And if we say our prayers correctly we may even be in for a massive surprise or two late…
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Building a Cycling and Mental Health Movement | The Bootleg Miles | Episode 4
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10:36HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN JOIN THE MOVEMENT: https://igg.me/at/lKG7bQK7eJc/x/33398252#/ In this episode of The Bootleg Miles, JP shares an exciting development: the next installment in the Maah Daah Hey film series, Back to the Start, is underway. This project delves deeper into the intertwining paths of cycling and mental health, offering a narrative …
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Colleen Maher: From Couch Potato to Gravel National Champion
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49:00In this episode of The Stable Cyclist Podcast, I sit down with Colleen Maher, whose rise in gravel racing is nothing short of incredible. Just three years ago, she was a self-proclaimed couch potato—now, she’s a national champion. We discuss her rapid ascension in the sport, what it’s like to experience so much success so quickly, and how that can …
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My Real Bonk Bros Story | The Bootleg Miles | Episode 3
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12:28In this episode of The Bootleg Miles, I’m finally telling the full story of my love for the Bonk Bros. But this is more than just fanboy appreciation. This is a story about the kindness of strangers, unsolicited support and finding your way back after everything falls apart. In the midst of a massive mental health project in 2023, I had a devastati…
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The One Choice That Changed My Life | The Bootleg Miles | Episode 2
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9:20In this episode of Bootleg Miles, JP opens up about something far harder than finishing a grueling 100-mile mountain bike race: asking for help with his mental health. As a teacher, filmmaker, and endurance athlete living with Bipolar Disorder, JP reflects on the fears that held him back from getting help — and the life-changing shift that happened…
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Kelly Jones | Overcoming Addiction with Rediscovery on the Bike | The Stable Cyclist Podcast
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1:05:49Kelly Jones is a two-time national champion in eSports and eMTB, but her path to the top was anything but typical. In this powerful episode, she shares her journey from growing up in England to moving to the U.S. at 15, and how a snowboarding accident changed the course of her life. For the first time, Kelly talks about how that injury led to a lon…
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