Each episode we discuss the latest news regarding how to reduce the emissions of software and how the industry is dealing with its own environmental impact. Brought to you by The Green Software Foundation. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Tune in for relatable perspectives from folks who -- just like you -- are on a climate journey. Hosted by Asim Hussain, Amelia Holcomb, Marketa Benisek and Tim Falls
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Green IO with Gaël Duez explores how to reduce the environmental impact of our digital world. Twice a month, on a Tuesdays guests from across the globe share insights, tools, and alternative approaches, enabling all responsible technologists, within the Tech sector and beyond, to build a greener digital world, one byte at a time.
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When artificial intelligence grows, so does its thirst. Chris Skipper hosts sustainability expert Valeria Salis, digging into the hidden cost of powering AI: the massive volumes of water needed to cool the data centers. From submerged servers off China’s coast to European communities pushing back on tech infrastructure, they discuss the environment…
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# 70 Sustainability: A Strategic Advantage, (Not Just a Cost), with Sathpal Singh and Jo Masraff
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53:28It’s time that we reframe sustainability as a criterion for success, not just a checkbox on a regulatory report. And on today’s episode of Green IO, Gaël is joined by Jo Masraff and Sathpal Singh, two domain experts who demonstrate how changing our approach to sustainability can be a key difference maker for businesses across any industry. Jo and S…
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#69 Big Tech carbon emissions by the millions with Cathleen Berger
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52:48They say that numbers don’t lie… but what if we are looking at the wrong numbers to begin with? On today’s episode of Green IO, Gaël is joined by Cathleen Berger who is here to help us decipher why accurate emissions reporting is so crucial, and why Big Tech continues to make big mistakes when it comes to the figures they release. Because as the fo…
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#68 A dive into every GenAI rabbit hole with Wilco Burggraaf and Mark Butcher
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1:18:23Over the last 3 months, several studies were published about GenAI and its environmental footprint. The most famous are Mistral AI’s life cycle analysis and Google’s study on Gemini. The opportunity and the conclusions of the Gemini prompt study were heavily debated in the Green IT field, including by two of the most respected thought leaders: Mark…
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#67 Can we be optimistic about AI sustainability? With Iuna Tsyrulneva
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44:07The potential impact of Artificial Intelligence on our worsening climate crisis is certainly a hot topic, pardon the pun. Fortunately, we have an expert on today’s show to help us make sense of it all. Iuna Tsyrulneva is one of the leading voices in AI and sustainability. Well versed on both topics, Iuna holds a PhD in materials science, and works …
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Guest host Anne Currie speaks with Karthik Vaidhyanathan, Assistant Professor at IIIT Hyderabad, about integrating sustainability into AI development. They discuss how the world can balance digital growth with renewable energy goals and how AI systems can be designed to be energy-efficient rather than energy-intensive. Karthik shares insights from …
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The Week in Green Software: Sustainability along the DevOps Lifecycle
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58:44Guest host Anne Currie is joined by software engineer and sustainability advocate Julian Gommlich to explore how green practices can be embedded throughout the DevOps lifecycle. They discuss how modern operational practices like continuous delivery, automation, and agile iteration naturally align with sustainability goals, helping teams build more …
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#66 Data Centers and Water in the US: a Complex Story with Mohammad Islam and Shaolei Ren
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1:01:24“We're living under a water stressed world. Maybe not today, but a certain time of the year.” This new reality stated by Dr Shaolei Ren questions both the resiliency and the water footprint of the data center industry. In this episode we bring an academic perspective on these questions with two of the most renowned experts in the field, Dr Shaolei …
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Building Energy Awareness into Operating Systems
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1:05:29Host Chris Adams speaks with Didi Hoffmann, CTO of Green Coding Solutions, about building energy awareness into operating systems and making sustainability a first-class concern in software development. They discuss Didi’s journey from Linux kernel programming to climate-focused tech and many more! Learn more about our people: Chris Adams: LinkedIn…
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#65 Green IO London 2025 special episode in collaboration with Architect Tomorrow
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26:18Today, we don’t have 1 or 2 guests but 10! In partnership with the YouTube channel Architect Tomorrow, we are glad to share with you snippets and interviews of the speakers who made the latest Green IO Conference in London a huge success last week. The audio quality has improved since last year but is still perfectible. Except for this, I hope you’…
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Guest host Anne Currie speaks with Boris Gamazaychikov, Head of AI Sustainability at Salesforce, about aligning artificial intelligence with environmental responsibility. They explore the wide range of energy impacts across AI models, the development of the AI Energy Score benchmarking tool, and why transparency is essential for sustainable choices…
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#64 Why we hate recycling with Elaine Brown and Ross Cockburn
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55:42Elaine and Ross hate recycling. Both know first hand about our computers’ and smartphones’ life. About the wasted opportunities to better use the precious resources into it. Elaine Brown is the CEO of the Edinburgh Remakery who refurbished 295 laptops last year. She’s also a keen expert on the right to repair issues. Ross Cockburn is the Trustee of…
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Backstage: The Green Software Movement Platform
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29:44WIN FREE TICKETS TO GREEN IO LONDON: CLICK THIS LINK AND COMMENT BELOW TO WIN Learn more about our people: Chris Skipper: LinkedIn | Website Gosia Fricze: LinkedIn | Website Find out more about the GSF: The Green Software Foundation Website Sign up to the Green Software Foundation Newsletter Resources: Green Software Movement | GSF [04:33] Green So…
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#63.b AI & Energy Efficiency: just follow the money? with Anne Currie
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35:38Anne Currie is the co-author of the acclaimed O’Reilly book “Building Green Software”, a pillar of the GSF, a veteran in the Cloud Industry and also a SF novelist with her series of panopticon books. Preparing her forthcoming keynote at Green IO London, she went all the way down into the rabbit hole of AI and energy efficiency. She investigated fro…
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#63a AI & Energy Efficiency: why was DeepSeek a defining moment? with Anne Currie
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41:45Anne Currie is the co-author of the acclaimed O’Reilly book “Building Green Software”, a pillar of the GSF, a veteran in the Cloud Industry and also a SF novelist with her series of panopticon books. Preparing her forthcoming keynote at Green IO London, she went all the way down into the rabbit hole of AI and energy efficiency. She investigated fro…
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The Week in Green Software: AI Energy Scores & Leaderboards
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1:04:39Host Chris Adams is joined by Asim Hussain to explore the latest news from The Week in Green Software. They look at Hugging Face’s AI energy tools, Mistral’s lifecycle analysis, and the push for better data disclosure in the pursuit for AI sustainability. They discuss how prompt design, context windows, and model choice impact emissions, as well as…
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#62 Thirsty datacenters in the heart of Silicon Valley with Masheika Allgood
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49:04A month ago, Google released its 2024 sustainability report. Its overall water consumption increased by 28% in a year. Less publicized than the data center energy boom, water is also pivotal for the Tech industry and data is even scarcer. To better understand this secret but serious love affair between big tech and water, what better location to in…
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LLM Energy Transparency with Scott Chamberlin
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1:00:44In this episode of Environment Variables, host Chris Adams welcomes Scott Chamberlin, co-founder of Neuralwatt and ex-Microsoft Software Engineer, to discuss energy transparency in large language models (LLMs). They explore the challenges of measuring AI emissions, the importance of data center transparency, and projects that work to enable flexibl…
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Real Efficiency at Scale with Sean Varley
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47:30Anne Currie is joined by Sean Varley, Chief Evangelist and VP of Business Development at Ampere Computing, a leader in building energy-efficient, cloud-native processors. They unpack the energy demands of AI, why power caps and utilization matter more than raw compute, and how to rethink metrics like performance-per-rack for a greener digital futur…
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Real Time Cloud with Adrian Cockcroft
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1:18:37Chris Adams is joined by Adrian Cockcroft, former VP of Cloud Architecture Strategy at AWS, a pioneer of microservices at Netflix, and contributor to the Green Software Foundation’s Real Time Cloud project. They explore the evolution of cloud sustainability—from monoliths to microservices to serverless—and what it really takes to track carbon emiss…
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#61 Scaling Green Software with Anita Schüttler
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49:16What does it take to go beyond raising awareness in green software? To avoid checking just boxes? What is required to scale green software practices in a company? To discuss these issues, Gaël Duez welcomes Anita Schüttler on this episode “from the trenches”. Anita is a seasoned software engineer and expert on digital sustainability. She works as H…
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Backstage: Software Standards Working Group SCI
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16:06In this Backstage episode of Environment Variables, podcast producer Chris Skipper highlights the Green Software Foundation’s Software Standards Working Group—chaired by Henry Richardson (WattTime) and Navveen Balani (Accenture). This group is central to shaping global benchmarks for sustainable software. Key initiatives discussed include the Softw…
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It’s been three years of Environment Variables! What a landmark year for the Green Software Foundation. From launching behind-the-scenes Backstage episodes, to covering the explosive impact of AI on software emissions, to broadening our audience through beginner-friendly conversations; this retrospective showcases our mission to create a trusted ec…
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#60 Why Tech companies should not deprioritize future readiness with Rainer Karcher
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49:37“Climate activist in a suit”. This is how Rainer Karcher describes himself. It is an endless debate between people advocating for the system to change from the outside and those willing to change it from the inside. In this episode Gaël Duez welcomes a strong advocate of moving the corporate world into the right direction from within? Having spent …
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Chris Adams is joined by Thibaud Colas; product lead at Torchbox, president of the Django Software Foundation, and lead on Wagtail CMS. They explore the role of open source projects in tackling digital carbon emissions and discuss Wagtail's pioneering carbon footprint reporting, sustainable default settings, and grid-aware website features, all ena…
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#59 Debriefing Qcon Sustainability track with Erica Pisani
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39:32How is sustainability covered in main tech conferences? Sure cybersecurity, DevOps, or anything related to SRE, is covered at length. Not to mention AI… But what room is left for the environmental impact of our job ? And what are the main trends which are filtered out from specialized conferences in Green IT such as Green IO, GreenTech Forum or eco…
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Environment Variables host Anne Currie welcomes Jamie Dobson, co-founder of Container Solutions and author of the upcoming book Visionaries, Rebels and Machines. Together, they explore the history and future of cloud computing through the lens of sustainability, efficiency, and resilience. Drawing on insights from their past work, including The Clo…
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How to Explain Green Software to Normal People
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46:27Host Chris Adams speaks with James Martin about how to communicate the environmental impact of software to a general audience. Drawing on his background in journalism and sustainability communications, James shares strategies for translating complex digital sustainability issues into accessible narratives, explains why AI's growing resource demands…
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#58b Avoided emissions thanks to Tech: the Vinted use case with Laetitia Bornes - Part 2
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39:15Why is the model of a Nobel prize winner not necessarily good science? What is “good” modelling? Is access to information enough to change a system behavior? This episode is the second part of a long interview with Laetitia Bornes, a Doctor in Human-Computer Interaction, Systems Engineering and Systemic Design who is one of the co-authors of a rese…
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#58a Avoided emissions thanks to Tech: the Vinted use case with Laetitia Bornes - Part 1
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48:03Can a digital company be “carbon negative”? What should we think of these claims of “tons of carbon avoided” coming from 2nd hand platforms such as Vinted or Back Market? Dr Laetita Bornes conducted research on Vinted claims, investigating its data sources and the methodology used with her colleague David Ekchazer. Their findings were surprising, e…
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Why You Need Hardware Standards for Green Software
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50:34Chris Adams is joined by Zachary Smith and My Truong both members of the Hardware Standards Working Group at the GSF. They dive into the challenges of improving hardware efficiency in data centers, the importance of standardization, and how emerging technologies like two-phase liquid cooling systems can reduce emissions, improve energy reuse, and e…
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Cloud Infrastructure, Efficiency and Sustainability
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55:13Host Anne Currie is Joined by the esteemed Charles Humble, a figure in the world of sustainable technology. Charles Humble is a writer, podcaster, and former CTO with a decade’s experience helping technologists build better systems—both technically and ethically. Together, they discuss how developers and companies can make smarter, greener choices …
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In this special backstage episode of Environment Variables, producer Chris Skipper spotlights the Green AI Committee, an initiative of the Green Software Foundation launched in 2024. Guests Thomas Lewis and Sanjay Podder share the committee’s mission to reduce AI's environmental impact through strategic focus on measurement, policy influence, and l…
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#57 Greening Intelligence: Bridging Infrastructure and Governance for a Sustainable AI Future with Pr. PS Lee and Pr. Heng Wang
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24:46Description “It's always a case of fit for purpose, or what we call a proper engineering.” Some down-to-earth facts and analysis were coined by Pr PS Lee, one of the world's top experts in liquid cooling - and Pr. Heng Wang - a renowned expert in digital governance - while cross-analysing Singapore’s main challenges from an infrastructure and gover…
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Chris Adams sits down in-person with Max Schulze, founder of the Sustainable Digital Infrastructure Alliance (SDIA), to explore the economics of AI, digital infrastructure, and green software. They unpack the EU's Energy Efficiency Directive and its implications for data centers, the importance of measuring and reporting digital resource use, and w…
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OCP, Wooden Datacentres and Cleaning up Datacentre Diesel
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1:01:26Host Chris Adams is joined by special guest Karl Rabe, founder of WoodenDataCenter and co-lead of the Open Compute Project’s Data Center Facilities group, to discuss sustainable data center design and operation. They explore how colocating data centers with renewable energy sources like wind farms can reduce carbon emissions, and how using novel ma…
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Host Chris Adams sits down with James Hall, Head of GreenOps at Greenpixie, to explore the evolving discipline of GreenOps—applying operational practices to reduce the environmental impact of cloud computing. They discuss how Greenpixie helps organizations make informed sustainability decisions using certified carbon data, the challenges of scaling…
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#56 Building Green Software, the one year anniversary with Sarah Hsu
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49:10A year ago, Building Green Software was released by O’Reilly. Since Tim Frick’s book “Designing for sustainability” (8 years ago!), O’Reilly didn’t publish anything fully focusing on sustainability. So, it’s a fair statement that this book was long awaited. But a year is an eternity in IT. This is why Sarah Hsu, one of its 3 co-authors as well as t…
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The Week in Green Software: Data Centers, AI and the Nuclear Question
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43:49Host Anne Currie is joined by the seasoned Chris Liljenstolpe to talk about the latest trends shaping sustainable technology. They dive into the energy demands of AI-driven data centers and ask the big question around nuclear power in green computing. Discussing the trajectory of AI and data center technology, they take a look into the past of anot…
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In this episode, Chris Skipper takes us backstage into the Green Software Patterns Project, an open-source initiative designed to help software practitioners reduce emissions by applying vendor-neutral best practices. Guests Franziska Warncke and Liya Mathew, project leads for the initiative, discuss how organizations like AVEVA and MasterCard have…
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#55 Decarbonizing Kubernetes with Flavia Paganelli and Niki Manoledaki
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44:41Did containerisation ship away our environmental responsibility? Containers come with the promise of automation, scalability and reliability. The question is how to add sustainability to the list without breaking its other benefits. To talk about these challenges, Gaël Duez welcomes Flavia Paganelli and Niki Manoledaki, 2 experts in Kubernetes who …
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The Week in Green Software: Sustainable AI Progress
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50:34For this 100th episode of Environment Variables, guest host Anne Currie is joined by Holly Cummins, senior principal engineer at Red Hat, to discuss the intersection of AI, efficiency, and sustainable software practices. They explore the concept of "Lightswitch Ops"—designing systems that can easily be turned off and on to reduce waste—and the impo…
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# 54 Agility and Sustainability with Joanna Masraff and Joanne Stone
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48:44"We are 100% convinced that IT sustainability matters but we can’t add more non business requirements, we have agile teams." This often heard sentence from product managers or CPOs, led to this dedicated episode on agility and sustainability where host Gaël Duez welcomes 2 seasoned agile coaches: Joanne Stone, the founder of Agilist 4 planet and th…
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Host Chris Adams is joined by Charles Tripp and Dawn Nafus to explore the complexities of measuring AI's environmental impact from a novice’s starting point. They discuss their research paper, A Beginner's Guide to Power and Energy Measurement and Estimation for Computing and Machine Learning, breaking down key insights on how energy efficiency in …
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The Week in Green Software: Transparency in Emissions Reporting
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53:17For this episode of TWiGS, Chris and Asim discuss the latest developments in emissions reporting, AI energy efficiency, and green software initiatives. They explore the AI Energy Score project by Hugging Face, which aims to provide an efficiency benchmark for AI models, and compare it with other emissions measurement approaches, including the Softw…
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#53 Scaling GreenOps at Back Market with Dawn Baker
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37:03Changing its Cloud provider is never small potatoes, especially when a platform operates up to 40,000 containers and has about 4 million unique visitors a day to its website. Yet Back Market made the move from AWS to Google Cloud Platform motivated primarily by … sustainability concerns! In this episode its CTO, Dawn Backer, chats with Gaël Duez an…
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How to Tell When Energy is Green with Killian Daly
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1:00:40In this episode, host Chris Adams is joined by Killian Daly, Executive Director of EnergyTag, to explore the complexities of green energy tracking and carbon accounting. They discuss the challenges of accurately measuring and claiming green energy use, including the flaws in current carbon accounting methods and how EnergyTag is working to improve …
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This episode of Backstage focuses on the Impact Framework (IF), a pioneering tool designed to Model, Measure, siMulate, and Monitor the environmental impacts of software. By simplifying the process of calculating and sharing the carbon footprint of software, IF empowers developers to integrate sustainability into their workflows effortlessly. Recen…
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#52 Sustainability at WordPress: an update with Csaba Varszegi, Nahuai Badiola, and Nora Ferreiros
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47:46“Today I learned that we have a sustainability team.Thank you for your effort in this area, looking at results of the team so far, and the ROI of time invested, it's probably a good time to officially dissolve the team entirely”. In 3 sentences, almost 3 years of work from the WordPress Sustainability Group vanished and their Slack channel archived…
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#51 Exploring the digital revolution paradox from a UN perspective with Paz Pena and Pablo José Gamez Cersosimo
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56:41It’s a 252 pages report with the foreword of António Guterres, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, talking about digitalization and sustainability. And, for once, it’s not another report from the UN stating “let’s digitize everything to boost sustainability”. Quite the contrary as it states a “unequal ecological exchange between developed …
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