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Tired of political headlines that feel like déjà vu? Wondering if you actually need to care about every controversy? This season, Katie’s asking those same questions—and talking to the people who have real answers. From political insiders to sharp-eyed journalists, she’s breaking down what’s worth your attention (and what’s not), with smarts, sanity, and even a little humor. Because none of us can be tuned in 24/7—but we can stay informed without losing our minds. Tune in every Thursday and ...
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Frame & Reference Podcast

Frame and Reference Podcast

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Frame & Reference is a conversation between Cinematographers hosted by Kenny McMillan. Each episode dives into the respective DP's current and past work, as well as what influences and inspires them. These discussions are an entertaining and informative look in to the world making films through the lens of the people who shoot them.
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Today we've got an absolutely INCREDIBLE conversation with Jessica Lee Gagné, here to talk about her work on Severance Season 2 and so much more. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReference Produced by Kenny McMillan Website ►…
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New York Times reporter Astead Herndon has spent years embedded in the world of Trump voters. He joins Katie to explain what he’s hearing now—why economic fear, media distrust, and cultural resentment still fuel Trumpism, how tariffs and Elon Musk are playing with the base, and why the Democrats’ message just isn’t landing. If you think you know wh…
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"Microbiome" is a buzzword these days--but many people don't know what it means. As we re-assess the lasting impact diet may have on our health, researchers are examining the role of gut health as possible causes for the dramatic uptick in colorectal cancer in young people. Katie Couric, founder of Katie Couric Media and Stand Up To Cancer, hosts a…
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Today I'm joined by Hillary Fyfe Spera to talk about her work on Episodes 1-3 and 6-9 of Daredevil: Born Again! This is Part 2 of the Daredevil series, with Part 1 being a conversation with the DP of Episodes 4 & 5, Pedro Gomez Millan, last week. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod…
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Trump’s first 100 days? Worse than former congressman and “proud RINO” Adam Kinzinger ever imagined. He joins Katie for a bracing conversation about authoritarian creep, advice on Democratic Party messaging, why the next few years could be rougher than anyone’s ready for–and why blind optimism is useless, but keeping hope alive can galvanize the Am…
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In this heartfelt conversation, Katie sits down with the iconic Christie Brinkley or an intimate look at the moments that shaped her–from her bohemian days in Paris to the glitz of Studio 54, from the heights of modeling fame to unexpected heartbreak. With warmth, candor, and even a little singing, Christie opens up about a life lived in full techn…
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Today I'm joined by Pedro Gomez Millan to talk about his work on Episodes 4 & 5 of Daredevil: Born Again! This is Part 1 of the Daredevil series, as it were, because next week we've got Hillary Fyfe Spera on the program to talk about shooting Eps 1-3 and 6-9! Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/F…
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Project 2025. Maybe you’ve heard whispers about it. Maybe you’ve rolled your eyes. But David A. Graham read the whole thing—and he sat down with Katie to break down why this isn’t just rhetoric – it’s a roadmap already in motion. From privatizing weather data to rewinding civil rights gains, this playbook for Trump 2.0 is more extreme—and more poss…
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Today, approximately 10,000 rare diseases collectively affect as many as 400 million people around the world, and women leaders have long been at the forefront of bringing awareness to these diseases and driving change. Katie Couric moderates a panel that includes Tania Simoncelli of Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, whose “Rare as One” campaign gives to…
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Today I'm absolutely thrilled to have Sam Davis on the program, here to talk about his work on the new short "The Singers" (which he both shot and directed) as well as last year's film Didi which he DP'd. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.…
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Rahm Emanuel has never been short on opinions—or jobs. He’s been a senior advisor to President Clinton, Chief of Staff to President Obama, a three-term Congressman, and Mayor of Chicago. Most recently, he served as the U.S. Ambassador to Japan. Now, he’s back stateside and full of ideas. From how to get the Democratic party back on track to protect…
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Today we've got the wonderful Andrea Gavazzi on the program to talk about his work on the short film "A LIEN" which was recently Oscar nominated for Best Live Action Short! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReference Produced by Kenn…
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They couldn’t—or wouldn’t—tell Biden it was time to go. Journalist Chris Whipple reveals the human drama behind the political failure, captured in his must-read book Uncharted. Why did no one stop Joe Biden from running again? In this eye-opening interview, Chris and Katie pull back the curtain on the 2024 election, delving into the loyalty, fear, …
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Season 11 of Next Question with Katie Couric is cutting through the noise. Tired of political headlines that feel like déjà vu? Wondering if you actually need to care about every controversy? This season, Katie’s asking the same questions—and talking to the people who have real answers. From political insiders to sharp-eyed journalists, she’s break…
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Today on Frame & Reference we've got the wonderful Stephen Murphy, BSC ISC joining me to talk about his film "Heart Eyes" which, after being in theaters since February, is hitting DVD and Bluray on April 15th! Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.You…
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This week I'm thrilled to have my good friend Chris Ray on the show to talk about basically everything! Chris is the founder of Motion Clubhouse, as well as an incredibly accomplished action sports cinematographer and all-around great guy. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch …
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Mike White is the creator of HBO’s pandemic hit, The White Lotus. With its third season in progress, we look back at a conversation with White about his life before the lux world of The White Lotus. Mike White spent his time on the periphery, creating offbeat characters in movies like ‘Chuck and Buck,’ ‘The Year of the Dog,’ ‘The Good Girl,’ and ‘S…
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This week I'm pleased to have Sean Emer on the show to talk about his work on the new Frankie Muniez-led Sci Fi film Renner! Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReference Produced by Kenny McMillan Website ► https://www.kennymcm…
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This week on F&R I've got a really fun conversation with Sundance 2025 short "Remember Me" Cinematographer/Producer (and film professor!) Steve Collins. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReference Produced by Kenny McMillan We…
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What if the government workers we often overlook are actually heroes? In this eye-opening conversation, Katie sits down with Michael Lewis to explore the unseen work of civil servants who keep our country running—often under relentless attack. They discuss why these jobs have become political targets, what’s at stake when expertise is lost, and how…
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OSCAR WIN EARLY EPISODE HOT-DROP! This week I'm proud to say I've got Lol Crawley, BSC on the program to talk about his work on the absolutely incredible film "The Brutalist", which just nabbed him an Oscar win! This was scheduled to come out on Thursday like normal but, c'mon... Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► http…
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We've got another returning guest! This time it's Judd Overton, here to talk about his work on the new Peacock series "Laid" Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReferenceProduced by Kenny McMillanWebsite ► https://www.kennymcmil…
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Happy 50th birthday to Chelsea Handler! We’re honored to host her on her big day and to celebrate her new book, I'll Have What She's Having. Fortunately for us, nothing is off-limits. Katie and Chelsea take on her evolving (and often hilarious) approach to love, sex, and breakups. Chelsea spills on the hard lemonade empire she built as an eight-yea…
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Today I'm over the moon to be talking with Phedon Papamichael about his work on the Bob Dylan biopic "A Complete Unknown". Phedon really made sure we got as much info as we could in the time we had so I'm positive you're gonna love this one. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watc…
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Markus is back! This week we're talking about his *excellent* new film September 5. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReferenceProduced by Kenny McMillanWebsite ► https://www.kennymcmillan.comInstagram ► https://www.instagram.…
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We’re looking back at Katie’s 2022 conversation with Adam Scott, who you’ll know from some truly bingeable TV, including “Parks and Rec,” the cult-fave “Party Down,” “Big Little Lies,” and now the psychological thriller, “Severance” from Apple TV. Adam is one of those actors you feel like you know. But going into this conversation, Katie realized s…
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Today I'm beyond thrilled to have Salvatore Totino, ASC AIC on the program to talk about his work on the new film Unstoppable. As an ASU alum from that time, this one was a lot of fun! Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReferen…
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In a live conversation at The Strand bookstore, Bill Gates sits down with Katie Couric to reflect on the moments that shaped his journey in life and technology. Gates admits he doesn’t look back often, but in this conversation, he shares generously about his early life: how his parents’ decision to send him to therapy helped him grow, the unforgett…
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This week I'm privileged to have Rina Yang, BSC on the program to talk about her work on "The Fire Inside" Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReferenceProduced by Kenny McMillanWebsite ► https://www.kennymcmillan.comInstagram ►…
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Talkspace CEO Dr. Jon Cohen opens up about the transformative power of telehealth in mental health care and why it matters more than ever. From the struggles teens face to the often-overlooked needs of older adults, Jon shares his personal journey and how Talkspace’s Medicare expansion aims to bridge critical care gaps and bring hope to those who n…
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Chris Hayes joins Katie for a thought-provoking conversation about the most valuable commodity there is: attention. As the host of MSNBC’s All In, Hayes knows how to grab it—and he's seen who else is competing for it. In his new book The Siren’s Call, he argues that attention has become the ultimate currency in a world where our brains are being re…
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Naomi Watts, celebrated actress pulls no punches in this raw and hilarious conversation with Katie. At 36, Naomi was blindsided by early menopause just as she dreamed of starting a family. The experience left her feeling isolated and under-informed—until she decided to change the narrative, which she writes about in her new book, Dare I Saw It: Eve…
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This week we've got a really fun conversation with Tari Segal about her work on the Hulu show "Interior Chinatown". Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReferenceProduced by Kenny McMillanWebsite ► https://www.kennymcmillan.comIn…
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Today I'm joined by the lovely Jomo Fray to talk about his work on the incredible film Nickel Boys. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReferenceProduced by Kenny McMillanWebsite ► https://www.kennymcmillan.comInstagram ► https:…
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This week on Frame & Reference I'm joined by the wonderful Alice Brooks, ASC to talk about her work on the smash hit Wicked. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Support F&R ► https://www.patreon.com/FrameAndRefPod Watch this Podcast ► https://www.YouTube.com/@FrameAndReferenceProduced by Kenny McMillanWebsite ► https://www.kennymcmil…
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Things feel pretty out of control these days, and it’s so tempting to get caught up in what others are doing, and how aggravated they make us. Mel Robbins proposes a new path: The Let Them Theory.” This two-part theory helps us let go of what we can’t control (“Let Them”) and maximize what we can (“Let Me”--because we only control ourselves!) Using…
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Welcome to Season 5 of Frame & Reference! To kick things off we've got Jarin Blaschke joining us to talk about his work on the new Robert Eggers joint Nosferatu. His work also includes Robert's other filmsThe Lighthouse, The Northman, and The Witch, as well as the recent film Knock at the Cabin. Enjoy! F&R Online ► https://www.frameandrefpod.com Su…
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In our season 10 finale, Katie takes a look at standout moments from her conversations with top political minds from both sides of the aisle about the 2024 election and its surprising twists. From Trump’s unexpected coalition to the Democrats’ coulda-woulda-shouldas, this episode serves up sharp insights, candid reflections, new reflections from Ka…
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Season 4 Finale! I'm so happy to welcome Greig Fraser, ACS, ASC on the podcast to talk about his work on Dune as well as plenty more. We're gonna take a couple weeks off for the holidays and then we're back at it in January with Season 5! Enjoy! Visit https://www.frameandrefpod.com for everything F&Rhttps://www.patreon.com/frameandrefpodFrame & Ref…
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Jessica Tarlov, who co-hosts Fox News’ The Five (as the lone Democratic voice we might add) and the podcast Raging Moderates, is no stranger to navigating tricky political debates with style and substance. Jessica’s thoughtful prescriptions for Democrats still reeling from November stand out for their sharpness and simplicity–they’re clearly honed …
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Nick Ramsey is back on the program to talk about his Doc work, his new movie "Restitution", and more! Enjoy! Visit https://www.frameandrefpod.com for everything F&Rhttps://www.patreon.com/frameandrefpodFrame & Reference is supported by Filmtools and ProVideo Coalition. Filmtools is the West Coast's leading supplier of film equipment. From cameras a…
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Arlie Hochschild, a sociologist from Berkely, has spent a chunk of the last decade in ruby red areas of the United States. During that time she’s written two books: Strangers In Their Own Land (which was a finalist for the National Book Award in 2016) and now, Stolen Pride. Arlie interviewed dozens of people from Pike County, Kentucky–the whitest a…
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This week we're going deep with Anka Malatynska, DP of "Rescue: Hi-Surf" as well as shows like I Know What You Did Last Summer, Pretty Little Liars: Original Sin, NCIS: Hawaii, and Monsterland Happy Thanksgiving! Visit https://www.frameandrefpod.com for everything F&Rhttps://www.patreon.com/frameandrefpodFrame & Reference is supported by Filmtools …
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Republican strategist, vocal Trump critic, and host of “The Warning,” Steve Schmidt poses the million dollar question: Can America’s political guardrails withstand Trump’s chaos? As the President-elect continues to fill his cabinet with a number of controversial picks, Steve warns us of just how dangerous these appointments could be and how cultura…
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This week we've got the lovely Trevor Roach on the program to talk about his work on the feature film "City of Dreams"! Enjoy! Visit https://www.frameandrefpod.com for everything F&Rhttps://www.patreon.com/frameandrefpodFrame & Reference is supported by Filmtools and ProVideo Coalition. Filmtools is the West Coast's leading supplier of film equipme…
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From her perch as “token conservative” on The View to viral posts on Instagram, Meghan McCain has long been a favorite lightning rod for liberals and conservatives alike. The daughter of legendary war hero and Arizona Republican Senator John McCain, her last name has been derided by some on the MAGA right who believe a “McCain Republican” is the eq…
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Jen Psaki knows a thing or two about politics. The former Obama communications director and Biden press secretary has spent nearly 20 years in politics–now she’s breaking down what happened in the 2024 election and what she thinks the next Trump administration could look like. Katie and Jen talk about how the media ecosystem impacted the election r…
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This week I'm absolutely honored to have Jules O'Loughlin, ASC ACS on the program to talk about his work on the Hulu show "The Old Man" (among other things). Enjoy! Visit https://www.frameandrefpod.com for everything F&Rhttps://www.patreon.com/frameandrefpodFrame & Reference is supported by Filmtools and ProVideo Coalition. Filmtools is the West Co…
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The 2024 presidential race has finally come to a close, but the conversation and questions about how things unfolded have just begun. For this election debrief, Katie is joined by Democratic consultant and friend of the pod Brian Goldsmith to examine the surprising dynamics of Trump’s 2024 victory, including the conventional-wisdom-smashing voter c…
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Hopefully boosting the mood a bit, we've got Andy Patch on the program to talk about his work on Little Bites! Enjoy! Visit https://www.frameandrefpod.com for everything F&Rhttps://www.patreon.com/frameandrefpodFrame & Reference is supported by Filmtools and ProVideo Coalition. Filmtools is the West Coast's leading supplier of film equipment. From …
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