Simple talk on the latest neuroscience research and treatment of eating disorders with Dr. Jeffrey DeSarbo and Lukas DeSarbo, LMSW.
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Dr Jeffrey DeSarbo Podcasts
This show will explore the deeper meaning of our relationship with food. We dive into issues related to body image, restriction, bingeing, purging, compulsive exercise, and eating disorder related behaviors. We utilize ideas from psychoanalysis, the deep work therapy, to bring you answers about why you do the things you do and one step closer to a healthier relationship with food and yourself.
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Understanding Disordered Eating: Eating Disorder Recovery and Body Image Healing
Rachelle Heinemann
This show will explore the deeper meaning of our relationship with food. We dive into issues related to body image, restriction, bingeing, purging, compulsive exercise, and eating disorder related behaviors. We utilize ideas from psychoanalysis, the deep work therapy, to bring you answers about why you do the things you do and one step closer to a healthier relationship with food and yourself.
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Relapse isn't the end of recovery. It's part of it. There's this moment that happens for so many people in recovery, that sinking feeling when you realize some of those old patterns have crept back in. Maybe it's skipping a meal. Maybe it's the familiar swirl of guilt, shame, or perfectionism. Whatever form it takes, relapse can feel like you've fa…
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Relapse isn't the end of recovery. It's part of it. There's this moment that happens for so many people in recovery, that sinking feeling when you realize some of those old patterns have crept back in. Maybe it's skipping a meal. Maybe it's the familiar swirl of guilt, shame, or perfectionism. Whatever form it takes, relapse can feel like you've fa…
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180. Will I Ever Feel Normal Around Food Again?
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21:46Have you ever looked around and wondered how everyone else seems to have such an easy, peaceful relationship with food? They order what they want at restaurants, stop when they're full, and move on with their day. Meanwhile, you're stuck in your head, negotiating with yourself, worrying about how much you ate, or planning the next meal before you'v…
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180. Will I Ever Feel Normal Around Food Again?
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21:46Have you ever looked around and wondered how everyone else seems to have such an easy, peaceful relationship with food? They order what they want at restaurants, stop when they're full, and move on with their day. Meanwhile, you're stuck in your head, negotiating with yourself, worrying about how much you ate, or planning the next meal before you'v…
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179. Trauma and Eating Disorders with Giulia Suro, Ph.D., CEDS
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36:35The holidays are a time of joy, connection, and celebration. But they can also stir up difficult emotions, memories, and patterns, especially if you've experienced trauma or struggled with disordered eating. In this episode, we're diving into the complex and often misunderstood relationship between eating disorders and trauma. Joining me for this p…
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179. Trauma and Eating Disorders with Giulia Suro, Ph.D., CEDS
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36:35The holidays are a time of joy, connection, and celebration. But they can also stir up difficult emotions, memories, and patterns, especially if you've experienced trauma or struggled with disordered eating. In this episode, we're diving into the complex and often misunderstood relationship between eating disorders and trauma. Joining me for this p…
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Have you ever felt like your mind just won't shut off about food? You're in a meeting, at school, or out with friends, and instead of focusing on what's in front of you, all you can think about is what you'll eat next, what you shouldn't have eaten, or what you'll allow yourself later. That constant mental chatter, what many call food noise, can be…
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Have you ever felt like your mind just won't shut off about food? You're in a meeting, at school, or out with friends, and instead of focusing on what's in front of you, all you can think about is what you'll eat next, what you shouldn't have eaten, or what you'll allow yourself later. That constant mental chatter, what many call food noise, can be…
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177. What Does Treatment for an Eating Disorder Actually Look Like?
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27:02When it comes to eating disorder treatment, one of the biggest questions people have is simple: What does it actually look like? The reality is that there's no single answer. Every person's story with food, body image, and recovery is unique, which means treatment has to be flexible, supportive, and tailored to the individual. Still, there are comm…
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177. What Does Treatment for an Eating Disorder Actually Look Like?
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27:02When it comes to eating disorder treatment, one of the biggest questions people have is simple: What does it actually look like? The reality is that there's no single answer. Every person's story with food, body image, and recovery is unique, which means treatment has to be flexible, supportive, and tailored to the individual. Still, there are comm…
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176. Body Image with Sydney Greene, MS, RDN
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35:11Ever feel like nothing in your closet feels good, no matter how many outfits you try on? Or maybe you've found yourself spiraling about what people will think when they see you at a reunion, a wedding, or even just in the office. In this episode of Understanding Disordered Eating, I'm joined by my good friend and colleague, Sydney Green, MS, RD, to…
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176. Body Image with Sydney Greene, MS, RDN
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35:11Ever feel like nothing in your closet feels good, no matter how many outfits you try on? Or maybe you've found yourself spiraling about what people will think when they see you at a reunion, a wedding, or even just in the office. In this episode of Understanding Disordered Eating, I'm joined by my good friend and colleague, Sydney Green, MS, RD, to…
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175. Real Recovery and How to Get There with Carolyn Costin, MA, MEd., MFT, CEDS, FAED
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49:13What does it really mean to be fully recovered from an eating disorder? For decades, the conversation has been clouded by vague definitions, conflicting philosophies, and the fear that "recovery" might not even be possible. In this powerful conversation, I sit down with Carolyn Costin, a renowned therapist, author, and pioneer in the eating disorde…
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175. Real Recovery and How to Get There with Carolyn Costin, MA, MEd., MFT, CEDS, FAED
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49:13What does it really mean to be fully recovered from an eating disorder? For decades, the conversation has been clouded by vague definitions, conflicting philosophies, and the fear that "recovery" might not even be possible. In this powerful conversation, I sit down with Carolyn Costin, a renowned therapist, author, and pioneer in the eating disorde…
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174. Is This An Eating Disorder or Disordered Eating?
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13:55Have you ever wondered where the line really is between disordered eating and a true eating disorder? It's not always as clear as we'd like to think. In fact, so much of what we consider "normal" in diet culture—tracking every bite, stressing over body image, or skipping meals in the name of health—can feel harmless at first… until it slowly starts…
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174. Is This An Eating Disorder or Disordered Eating?
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13:55Have you ever wondered where the line really is between disordered eating and a true eating disorder? It's not always as clear as we'd like to think. In fact, so much of what we consider "normal" in diet culture—tracking every bite, stressing over body image, or skipping meals in the name of health—can feel harmless at first… until it slowly starts…
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From the Vault: The Neurobiology of Eating Disorders With Dr. Jeffrey DeSarbo, DO [Episode 23]
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50:47While we're on summer break, we're bringing back some of the most impactful episodes that deserve a second listen—and this one is just too good to pass up. This is our last re-release for the summer. We will be back with new episodes on September 9th, so be sure to tune back in. In this episode, we're going deep into the neurobiology of eating diso…
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From the Vault: The Neurobiology of Eating Disorders With Dr. Jeffrey DeSarbo, DO [Episode 23]
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50:47While we're on summer break, we're bringing back some of the most impactful episodes that deserve a second listen—and this one is just too good to pass up. This is our last re-release for the summer. We will be back with new episodes on September 9th, so be sure to tune back in. In this episode, we're going deep into the neurobiology of eating diso…
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From the Vault: Eating Disorders and the Mind/Body Disconnect with Danielle Novack, Ph.D [Episode 27]
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42:28We're diving into the archives this summer to bring you some of our most memorable and impactful conversations — and today's episode is just too good to pass up. While we take a short summer break, we're re-sharing these standout episodes. So stay tuned all summer long for these gems! This week, we're bringing back Episode 27 with Dr. Danielle Nova…
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From the Vault: Eating Disorders and the Mind/Body Disconnect with Danielle Novack, Ph.D [Episode 27]
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42:28We're diving into the archives this summer to bring you some of our most memorable and impactful conversations — and today's episode is just too good to pass up. While we take a short summer break, we're re-sharing these standout episodes. So stay tuned all summer long for these gems! This week, we're bringing back Episode 27 with Dr. Danielle Nova…
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From the Vault: The Connection Between Trauma and Eating Disorders with Heather Ferguson, LCSW [Episode 57]
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44:58While we take a little breather, we're diving into the archives to bring you some of the most powerful, thought-provoking episodes from the past. These conversations are just too good to leave behind—and today's is no exception. We're throwing it back to Episode 57, a deeply moving and intellectually rich conversation with Heather Ferguson, one of …
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From the Vault: The Connection Between Trauma and Eating Disorders with Heather Ferguson, LCSW [Episode 57]
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44:58While we take a little breather, we're diving into the archives to bring you some of the most powerful, thought-provoking episodes from the past. These conversations are just too good to leave behind—and today's is no exception. We're throwing it back to Episode 57, a deeply moving and intellectually rich conversation with Heather Ferguson, one of …
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From the Vault: Examining the Harmful Implications of the AAP's Guidelines on Weight Loss Medication and Surgery for Children with Jessica Setnick, MS, RD, CEDRD-S [Episode 72]
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41:38We're continuing our summer throwback series with a powerful episode that's simply too important to leave behind. While we're taking a short break this summer, we'll be resurfacing some of our most impactful conversations — the ones that made us think, challenged the status quo, and sparked meaningful dialogue. Today's rerun is one of those episode…
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From the Vault: Examining the Harmful Implications of the AAP's Guidelines on Weight Loss Medication and Surgery for Children with Jessica Setnick, MS, RD, CEDRD-S [Episode 72]
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From the Vault: Food and Desire with Dr. Judith Brisman [Episode 73]
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56:21We're kicking off our summer throwback series with an episode that's just too good not to share again. While we take a little summer break, we'll be rereleasing some of our most powerful and thought-provoking conversations—and this one tops the list. Originally aired as Episode 73, this conversation with Dr. Judith Brisman is one of those rich, sou…
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From the Vault: Food and Desire with Dr. Judith Brisman [Episode 73]
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56:21We're kicking off our summer throwback series with an episode that's just too good not to share again. While we take a little summer break, we'll be rereleasing some of our most powerful and thought-provoking conversations—and this one tops the list. Originally aired as Episode 73, this conversation with Dr. Judith Brisman is one of those rich, sou…
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Let's be honest—most of us would love to be the kind of person who "lives in the moment." You know, one of those magical unicorns who wakes up excited for the day, mindfully savors every bite of their avocado toast, and breathes through stress like it's non-existent. But instead, we're over here eating lunch in front of our inbox, wondering why we …
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Let's be honest—most of us would love to be the kind of person who "lives in the moment." You know, one of those magical unicorns who wakes up excited for the day, mindfully savors every bite of their avocado toast, and breathes through stress like it's non-existent. But instead, we're over here eating lunch in front of our inbox, wondering why we …
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172. Imposter Syndrome and Eating Disorders
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22:28If imposter syndrome were a person, most of us would be in a very toxic, on-again-off-again relationship with it. And just like any clingy ex, it loves to show up at the worst possible time—like, say, the first day of a new job, or every single time we try to feel confident about our bodies. Fun, right? *Quick reminder that next week will be our la…
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172. Imposter Syndrome and Eating Disorders
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22:28If imposter syndrome were a person, most of us would be in a very toxic, on-again-off-again relationship with it. And just like any clingy ex, it loves to show up at the worst possible time—like, say, the first day of a new job, or every single time we try to feel confident about our bodies. Fun, right? *Quick reminder that next week will be our la…
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171. Healing the Hidden Wounds of Disordered Eating with Dr. Katheryn Zerbe
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51:14Today, we're diving back into the murky waters of secrets with none other than the incredible Dr. Katheryn Zerbe. If you've been around the UDE fam for a while, you'll remember her from our earlier episode on secrets and eating disorders (if not, press pause and go listen to that one first—we'll wait). This time around, we're exploring what secrets…
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171. Healing the Hidden Wounds of Disordered Eating with Dr. Katheryn Zerbe
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51:14Today, we're diving back into the murky waters of secrets with none other than the incredible Dr. Katheryn Zerbe. If you've been around the UDE fam for a while, you'll remember her from our earlier episode on secrets and eating disorders (if not, press pause and go listen to that one first—we'll wait). This time around, we're exploring what secrets…
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This episode is all about what happens when you combine years of working with people navigating eating disorders, a healthy dose of sarcasm, and way too many personal run-ins with perfectionism. I'm unpacking the idea I'm calling The Perfectionist Paradox—where striving for perfection actually gets in the way of the thing you're trying to do well i…
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This episode is all about what happens when you combine years of working with people navigating eating disorders, a healthy dose of sarcasm, and way too many personal run-ins with perfectionism. I'm unpacking the idea I'm calling The Perfectionist Paradox—where striving for perfection actually gets in the way of the thing you're trying to do well i…
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169. Weight, Worth, and Why We're Still Talking About BMI with Dr. Erin Knopf
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44:05Forget everything you think you know about eating disorders—this episode goes way beyond the old myths about "willpower" and "control." Today, we're digging into the real, science-backed roots of eating disorders with Dr. Erin Knopf: pediatrician, psychiatrist, Certified Eating Disorder Specialist, and co-founder and chief medical officer of Very, …
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169. Weight, Worth, and Why We're Still Talking About BMI with Dr. Erin Knopf
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44:05Forget everything you think you know about eating disorders—this episode goes way beyond the old myths about "willpower" and "control." Today, we're digging into the real, science-backed roots of eating disorders with Dr. Erin Knopf: pediatrician, psychiatrist, Certified Eating Disorder Specialist, and co-founder and chief medical officer of Very, …
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In this episode, I'm diving into the messy and complicated cycle of restriction and bingeing—not just with food, but with all the things we tell ourselves we shouldn't need. Why do we do this? How does it backfire every time? And more importantly, how do we break free? Tweetable Quotes "You can't just ignore your needs and wants forever. That's whe…
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In this episode, I'm diving into the messy and complicated cycle of restriction and bingeing—not just with food, but with all the things we tell ourselves we shouldn't need. Why do we do this? How does it backfire every time? And more importantly, how do we break free? Tweetable Quotes "You can't just ignore your needs and wants forever. That's whe…
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167. How to Achieve Full Recovery with Ilene Fishman, LCSW-R, ACSW, FAED
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43:50In this episode, I sit down with therapist and author Ilene Fishman to explore what it really takes to achieve lasting recovery. We dive into the complex, sometimes uncomfortable truths about healing from an eating disorder, the importance of self-compassion, and why true freedom goes beyond simply "eating normally." Ilene V. Fishman, LCSW, ACSW, F…
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167. How to Achieve Full Recovery with Ilene Fishman, LCSW-R, ACSW, FAED
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43:50In this episode, I sit down with therapist and author Ilene Fishman to explore what it really takes to achieve lasting recovery. We dive into the complex, sometimes uncomfortable truths about healing from an eating disorder, the importance of self-compassion, and why true freedom goes beyond simply "eating normally." Ilene V. Fishman, LCSW, ACSW, F…
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166. Exercise and Eating Disorder Recovery
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22:34When it comes to exercise and movement, we believe it is this wonderfully balanced, healthy thing, right? But for a lot of us, it's… complicated. Maybe you feel like you have to move or else your anxiety will skyrocket. Maybe you mentally calculate every bite of food and match it with a "required" workout. Or maybe you find yourself hitting the gym…
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166. Exercise and Eating Disorder Recovery
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22:34When it comes to exercise and movement, we believe it is this wonderfully balanced, healthy thing, right? But for a lot of us, it's… complicated. Maybe you feel like you have to move or else your anxiety will skyrocket. Maybe you mentally calculate every bite of food and match it with a "required" workout. Or maybe you find yourself hitting the gym…
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165. Why Avoiding Your Feelings Makes Everything Worse with Jenna Hollenstein
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1:00:52You know that feeling when you'd rather do literally anything than sit with your own emotions? Like, suddenly, cleaning out your junk drawer or reorganizing your spice rack sounds way more appealing than dealing with that uncomfortable feeling creeping in? Yeah, we've all been there. The truth is, our brains are wired to avoid pain and chase comfor…
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165. Why Avoiding Your Feelings Makes Everything Worse with Jenna Hollenstein
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1:00:52You know that feeling when you'd rather do literally anything than sit with your own emotions? Like, suddenly, cleaning out your junk drawer or reorganizing your spice rack sounds way more appealing than dealing with that uncomfortable feeling creeping in? Yeah, we've all been there. The truth is, our brains are wired to avoid pain and chase comfor…
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People like to say that OCD and eating disorders go together. They even sometimes like to use fancy words like "co-ocurring." Then they talk about how OCD can explain the development of ED symptoms and sit back triumphantly as if they've solved the world's toughest rubik's cube. Satisfying, right? Meh, not really.. We're setting the record straight…
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People like to say that OCD and eating disorders go together. They even sometimes like to use fancy words like "co-ocurring." Then they talk about how OCD can explain the development of ED symptoms and sit back triumphantly as if they've solved the world's toughest rubik's cube. Satisfying, right? Meh, not really.. We're setting the record straight…
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163. Clinicians in Recovery with Sarah Rzemieniak
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53:07Alright, let's be real—working in the eating disorder field while navigating your own relationship with food? That's messy. Like, "double-booked therapy sessions and forgot your coffee on the roof of your car" kind of messy. And yet, it's something so many clinicians face but rarely talk about. So, let's talk about it. Tweetable Quotes "There's som…
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163. Clinicians in Recovery with Sarah Rzemieniak
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53:07Alright, let's be real—working in the eating disorder field while navigating your own relationship with food? That's messy. Like, "double-booked therapy sessions and forgot your coffee on the roof of your car" kind of messy. And yet, it's something so many clinicians face but rarely talk about. So, let's talk about it. Tweetable Quotes "There's som…
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If you've ever talked about eating disorders for more than five seconds, someone always drops the classic line: "It's not about the food; it's about control." Boom. Case closed, right? Well, not exactly. Because what does that even mean? Control over what? Your body? Your feelings? Your life? And why does control even matter so much? That's where t…
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If you've ever talked about eating disorders for more than five seconds, someone always drops the classic line: "It's not about the food; it's about control." Boom. Case closed, right? Well, not exactly. Because what does that even mean? Control over what? Your body? Your feelings? Your life? And why does control even matter so much? That's where t…
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