In the early days of Christianity, men and women fled to the desert and became the wisest sages of their era. Voices from the Desert explores how the wisdom of Ancient Christianity applies to our modern world. Where do the streams of historic Christianity intersect with contemporary Christianity? And how do we come to know God deep in our heart? Join Joshua Hoffert and Murray Dueck for a deep dive into the mystics, union with God, patristic theology and what it all means in our modern world.
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Encountering God at Burning Man: and interview with Will Spencer
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2:02:53On the podcast today, Josh sits down with guest host Rob Mazza to interview podcaster Will Spencer. They talk about Will's journey from the New Age rave scene in San Francisco to encountering Jesus in the desert of Nevada, and then the long circuitous route to salvation and healing. Will has been helping people find meaning and purpose in life, and…
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Easter, The Crucifixion, and the meaning of Redemption
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1:13:29The central event in all of history. The lamb slain before the foundation of the world. This creation defining moment all too often is reduced to a moral lesson about right and wrong. As Brennan Manning said, "The gospel is absurd and the life of Jesus is meaningless unless we believe that He lived, died, and rose again with but one purpose in mind…
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Where do we go from here? An interview with David Takle part 2
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1:01:00Today, much of the church practices a theology with moral law at centre of the gospel. How are we to reclaim a theology centred on the the actual gospel? Did God come to make a more moral people, or is the gospel about something more profound that that? Join Josh and Murr as they dive in with David Takle from Kingdom Formation Ministries. For more …
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What we have been doing is not working. An interview with David Takle - Part 1
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1:00:18In this episode, Josh and Murr sit down to talk with David Takle, in part about his latest book and how we can recapture a Christ centered theology. In the West, we have exchanged a moral law framework as our theological center. In essence, we tend to operate as if God's objective was to make more law-abiding citizens. But that captures only a mini…
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We are back! After a cross country move and many happenings on the farm we are finally back for more Voices from the Desert! Tune in as Murray and Josh revisit why they do what they do and what to expect in the upcoming episodes of your favorite desert podcast. For more about Joshua Hoffert, visit: https://www.windministries.ca/ For more about Murr…
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Discovering Life in the Wilderness: an interview with Andrew Arndt
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1:27:05This is the last podcast of the year folks and it is a doozy. Murray and Josh welcome a new friend, Andrew Arndt - someone like them. Andrew discovered the Desert Fathers while going through burnout and disaffection from the "Charismatic Church". What he discovered in the fathers and mothers of the 3rd and 4th century transformed his life, ministry…
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Presently, there is a resurgence of interest in the "spiritual disciplines". What do these things do and why are we to do them? What are the scary thing the early fathers called "the passions"? What is the relation between the disciplines and the passions? Or is there one? Join Josh and Murray as they dive in to find out! For more about Murray Duec…
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Distinctives, leadership, and the flaws in denominational thinking
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1:21:40On the podcast today, Murray and Josh interview their good friend Steve Schroeder, the President of CMA (www.canadacma.org). Steve talks about above the line thinking, hub and spoke ministries and churches, shifting to an open architecture mindset, and the difference between call and assignment. The boys go deep in this one. Join the Voices from th…
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The Growing Divide: Is Jesus the Problem? A dream examined...
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1:21:54It seems that today we are trying our best to build, cast vision, influence, spread the word, bring the kingdom, and create space for the miraculous in our churches and communities. Sometimes, it seems as if the problem is not us, but Jesus. If Jesus would just get on board with our plan things would go swimmingly. Murray had a dream a few years ag…
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When it comes to salvation and healing of the soul (see all the previous episodes on the spiritual life), what exactly are we being healed of? Is it sin? Our hurts and brokenness? Our disillusionment? The early fathers of Christianity often spoke of healing in relation to "the passion". What did they mean by that? Join Josh and Murray as they dive …
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The Inner Way: Does it Really Matter at All?
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1:10:00If salvation is about making it to heaven, why should we bother with formation here on earth? What do our theories of salvation and eschatology have to do with our present day practices? Murray and Josh take a dive into some patristic wisdom as they discover what it means to be "saved." "Someone asked Abba Anthony, ‘What must one do in order to ple…
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The Inner Way: When Leaders Fall...
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1:17:14What is the aim of Christianity and salvation? Is it to get as many people saved as possible? To create a moral perfect society? To fulfill the vision of a particular ministry? The mark we set determines a lot about what we do. In light of all the recent scandals in leadership, Murray and Josh talk about what measurable effect inner prayer and the …
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Misconceptions of Prayer, the Teaching of Jesus on Prayer, and How the Fathers Read Scripture
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1:29:22When it comes to how Christians are taught prayer, much of the church has been found wanting. The teaching of Jesus on prayer are often overlooked in favor of some occasional concomitant. What was Jesus thinking when he said, "And when you pray..." and why do we ignore these kinds of statements? The way of Jesus is clearly interior prayer and the e…
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Inner Prayer: the Lord's Prayer and the Sermon on the Mount
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1:07:15Sometimes it seems as if we read the scriptures as a series of commands or instructions, rather than an invitation to follow the way of Jesus and to know him intimately. In this episode, Josh and Murray begin diving into the Lord's prayer and the Sermon on the Mount. Is the Lord's prayer a formula to pray? Is the Sermon on the Mount a great moral t…
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Practices That Point the Mind to the Present and the Empty Abyss of the Heart
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1:04:48All of our practices are pointed towards the end of turning the inner gaze towards the heart to discover the Father within. What happens when a culture adopts practices that turn the gaze inward but all they find is an empty abyss? Join Josh and Murray as they talk about training the thoughts to discover the beauty of God and lead a prayerful exerc…
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Bridal Paradigm: Sanctified Imagination and the Eyes of the Heart
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1:19:25What roles does the imagination play in prayerful exercises? Are visionary experiences a thing for today? Join Josh and Murray as they dive into the writings of the Christian mystics to see what they have to say! For more about Murray Dueck, visit: https://www.samuelsmantle.com/ For more about Joshua Hoffert, visit: https://www.windministries.ca/ T…
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Totalitarianism, Transhumanism, and the Evangelical Subculture: a look at Anthony the Great
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1:10:15Today on the podcast, we interview CR Wiley, an author, podcaster, and pastor. CR Wiley co-hosts The Theology Pugcast. CR Wiley is a reformed pastor who discovered great a value in Athanasius's Life of Anthony. Helping us discern trust and make sense of the world, this 1500 year old monk has a lot to say to modern Christians. Join Voices from the D…
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Ignatian Exercises and Anthony the Great on Testing True Visions from God
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1:10:36In the 16th century, a man named Ignatius codified certain exercises that have become popular in the spiritual formation/direction/inner healing crowd today. Was he out to lunch? Can you track a history of said exercises? Join Josh and Murray as they explore the Ignatian exercises and cover Anthony the Great's tests of a true or false vision. For m…
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Lectio Divina: reading scripture through the lens of love
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1:00:26Join Josh and Murray as they continue to explore the concept of bridal intimacy in scripture and history as they dive into the ancient practice called Lectio Divina. What do we want to accomplish when we read scripture? Is it to learn what a moral life looks like? Is it to understand fundamental concepts of theology and doctrine? Or is there a deep…
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Bridal Paradigm: The Nuts and Bolts of it All (aka "How We Do")
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1:21:57When it comes to the church, theology, and the Chrsitian life, sometimes we tend to talk in theory and principle, rather than practice. In this episode, Murray and Josh begin to explore what does it mean to understand the Bridal language of scripture and the mystics, and how do we apply all of that to our daily lives. The whole episode ends with Mu…
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The Eyes of the Heart and the Nous: Christian Maturity from an Orthodox Perspective, an interview with Fr Michael Gillis (Part 2)
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1:03:55In part 2 of Josh and Murray's interview with Fr Michael Gillis, Fr Mike shares about the eyes of the heart and dives into the layers of the human being. What marks the difference between how the Orthodox Church views the process of maturity and how the evangelical church views maturity? Join the guys as they dive in! For more about Father Michael …
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From Charismatic to Orthodox: The Charismata in the Orthodox Church and the Familial Language of the Prophets, an Interview with Fr Michael Gillis Part 1
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1:13:01In the west, we have taken metaphors and made them systems. But God describes his bride through familial language. For Fr Michael, it is not mechanism we must discover, but the family we must encourage. Beginning in foster homes at a young age, discovering the Charismatic move in the 70s and 80s, and eventually discovering the early church fathers …
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Catechism and Liturgy in a Charismatic Context: an interview with Josh Lewis (The Remnant Radio) Part 2
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44:52What would it look like to incorporate confession, liturgy and creeds into a modern Charismatic church? Josh Lewis from The Remnant Radio has undertaken the challenge. 8 years after launching a successful podcast where he and his team interview theologians of all shapes and sizes, Josh has ventured into church planting while incorporating historica…
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Re-thinking theology, prophecy, and 5-fold ministry: an interview with Josh Lewis of the Remnant Radio Part 1
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52:51We at Voices from the Desert are excited to welcome Josh Lewis of The Remnant Radio for an in-depth conversation about theology, prophecy, and how we get 5-fold ministry completely wrong. Join Josh, Josh and Murray as they dive into Josh Lewis' story, why he started The Remnant Radio, and the new church plant King's Fellowship Church in Ada, Oklaho…
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Which One: The Church as Moral Arbiter or Place of Healing?
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1:07:56As we continue to dive into the concept of bridal intimacy in the church age, what implications does this have on how and why we "do church?" Some seem to think the church should be the moral arbiter of the age, the judicial witness to God's judgement, or the place of warfare against contemporary culture. But what if there is a different way? Join …
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Bonus Episode: Becoming a Non-Anxious Presence
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1:33:38When we look at Jesus we see a stark contrast with our modern world. He does not seem rushed, he is not hurried, and he encourages us to become like little children. Have you ever watched a child lost in play? Time is a foreign concept to them. What would we look like if we could recapture what it means to live from the place of rest Christ promise…
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Divine Eros, Saint Symeon (and Bernard), Penal Substitutionary Atonement, and Looking Up
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1:06:48How do our models of redemption reflect scripture? And how do the contemplative authors talk about redemption? Is penal substitutionary atonement a thing? Join Josh and Murray as they dive into Saint Symeon, the early church fathers, encountering God, and the gulf between models of redemption based upon wrath and models based upon love. For more ab…
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The Bridal Paradigm: When a bishop gawked at a sex symbol
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1:17:41In the 4th century, Bishop Nonnus was asked why, when a beautiful woman passed him by, he stood and stared while the other bishops looked away. Nonnus' answer provides us insight as we dive deeper and deeper in the mystery of bridal intimacy and covenant union with God (the mysterious one). Tune in to this episode of "Voices from the Desert" as we …
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The Difference Between Information About God and Knowing God, another Bridal Paradigm Episode
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1:10:28Another week, another episode of Voices from the Desert! Today, Murray and Josh continue their discussion about the Bride/Bridegroom paradigm. Scripture comes rushing to its conclusion in Revelation 21 when we see the bride as a city descending upon the earth to reign with God. Understanding this throughline is crucial for understanding scripture. …
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The Bridal Paradigm: Where is all this headed?
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1:09:11What do you ese when you read scripture? When you see Jesus speaking of coming calamity in Matthew 24, do you wonder about the end times implication? What does the Jewish wedding celebration have to do with Jesus, prophecies, and the tenor of scripture? When Jesus showed upon the scene the nation of Israel was looking for a coming kingdom that woul…
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Unraveling Scripture: The Bridal Paradigm
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52:03In the latest episode of Voices from the Desert, Joshua Hoffert and Murray Dueck explore the concept of bridal intimacy in Scripture. When the Pharisees expected a king, Jesus compared the kingdom to a wedding. This is a throughline in all of scripture. What would change about how we read certain passages if we saw it through the lens of bridal int…
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Embracing the Mystery of Faith: Part 2 of the Steve Stewart Interview
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49:37In Part 2 of our interview with Steve Stewart of Impact Nations, we dive deeper into the desert journey of his heart and how it challenged all of his paradigms. The pivotal moments on his roadmap included burnout, the Charismatic move, and his rediscovery of the early church fathers. In the midst of the simplistic narratives in traditional evangeli…
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A Life Rescued: the story of Steve Stewart, Impact Nations, and Global Missions (Part 1)
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43:28Welcome to Voices from the Desert, where we explore historic Christianity, the journey of the desert, and how God meets us in the deepest deserts of our hearts. In this episode, we are joined by the Steve Stewart, founder of Impact Nations, based in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Steve's journey from a conservative church upbringing, encountering the Hol…
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Bonus Episode: Unraveling the Mystery of Jesus with Murray Dueck
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44:27In this special bonus episode recorded at the Samuel's Mantle school, join Murray Dueck's as he untangles the mystery behind Jesus as the Messiah. It's a biblical murder mystery and an FBI-like investigation into the disciples' beliefs where Murray delves into Old Testament prophecies, examining clashes between the disciples' expectations of an ear…
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The Spiritual Potency of the Persecuted Church: an interview with Greg Musselman Part 2
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45:48Join us for Part 2 of the Voices from the Desert interview with Greg Musselman from Voice of the Martyrs. In this episode Murray, Greg, and Josh talk about the need for prophetic reform, when Christianity becomes too political, the gifts of the Spirit, and much more! For more about Greg and Voice of the Martyrs, visit: https://www.vomcanada.com/ Fo…
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The Spiritual Potency of the Persecuted Church: an interview with Greg Musselman Part 1
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58:21In today's episode, "The Spiritual Potency of the Persecuted Church," we're diving into the experiences of those who stay strong in their faith, even when things get really hard. Our guest, Greg Musselman from "Voice of the Martyrs," knows a lot about this. He's spent a long time helping people who are persecuted for their beliefs. Tune in as Greg …
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Brain Skills, Relational Mode, and the Immanuel Lifestyle: an interview with Michael Sullivant Part 2
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1:05:50Join hosts Joshua Hoffert and Murray Dueck in this episode of "Voices from the Desert" as they sit down for part 2 of an interview with Michael Sullivant to explore the intricacies of brain health, relational mode, and honing essential brain skills. Gain valuable perspectives on living a life deeply connected to the heart of Jesus, as Michael share…
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Life Model, Immanuel Approach, and Recovering our Mental Health: an interview with Michael Sullivant part 1
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1:03:42What if your brain is wired in such a way that understanding the way your brain works could be a great aid in spiritual growth, healing of the heart, and mental health? What role does the Holy Spirit and the love of God play into the inner healing of the human heart? Join Joshua Hoffert, and Murray Dueck as they interview friend of the podcast Mich…
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Part 2 of Church Untitled: and interview with Ryan Johnson
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1:02:37In part 2, Ryan dives into catching a vision for who God has made you to be, dealing with the hooks of the enemy, building culture, the difference between purpose and calling, and much more. Tune in! Church Untitled is a gathering place in downtown Vancouver, BC. In the midst of a busy city rife with an increasingly antagonistic culture, this churc…
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Church Untitled: Seriously, Listen to this Episode. An interview with an unassuming pastor, Ryan Johnson. Part 1
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1:14:56Church Untitled is a gathering place in downtown Vancouver, BC. In the midst of a busy city rife with an increasingly antagonistic culture, this church is building an altar of worship in the downtown core. Ryan Johnson, the pastor of Church Untitled, never envisioned himself as a church planter. In fact, the church began out of deep brokenness and …
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Thinking Apostolically Part 2: Maturity and the need for Apostolic Ministry
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48:02Happy New Year everybody! The Voices from the Desert crew is back at it for 2024! We have some exciting interviews and topics coming in the next few months, stay tuned! Join Joshua Hoffert and Murray Dueck for part 2 of their interview with Bruce Friesen. Bruce is the founder of Children Arise Ministry, which disciples nations by discipling the nex…
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The Annunciation: a Christmas episode
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1:02:27Hey everyone! Thanks for joining us for the past year! Voices from the Desert is a 1-year old podcast with this episode! We have so appreciated and enjoyed getting to know each and everyone one of you. Murray and Josh have much planned for the new year. Keep checking us out and we will keep diving off the deep end! In this epsiode, Murray and Josh …
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Thinking Apostolically: Five Fold Ministry and the Need for Reformation
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53:04Voices from the Desert invites you on a transformative journey of apostolic thinking, exploring the depths of five-fold ministry. Join hosts Joshua Hoffert and Murray Dueck as they sit down with special guest Bruce Friesen, founder of the Global Transformation Collective. Uncover the wisdom of apostolic living and leadership in this thought-provoki…
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The Prophetic Manifesto: Apostles and Prophets, what's the deal?
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1:32:28Ever wondered how the early church perceived Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers? Join Josh and Murray on Voices from the Desert as we explore the Prophetic Manifesto and what the early church had to say about Five-fold Ministry. Uncover insights into how these roles were embraced in the early church, shaping its spiritual fabric…
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De-Shackling Prophecy From End-Times Eschatology: The Prophecy Series Continued
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1:25:24Welcome to "Voices from the Desert," where ancient wisdom intersects with modern culture. In this episode, titled "De-shackling Prophecy from End Times Eschatology," Josh and Murray delve into point 6 of the Prophetic Manifesto. Often, prophecy is seen as a vehicle to predict all the calamities that are about to fall upon a nation. But what if we s…
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To Build an International Prophetic Ministry or Not To? A Prophetic Manifesto Continued...
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1:23:39Today it is common to plan your ministry strategy around worldwide impact and a social media platform. But is it normal to think about building around a gift given by God? Join Josh and Murray as they dive into point 5 of the prophetic manifesto: a hesitancy to use the gift to build a platform. The 7 Points of the Prophetic Manifesto: - The reputat…
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How Silence and Solitude Impact Prophetic Ministry: A Prophetic Manifesto (Continued)
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1:24:17In this episode of Voices from the Desert we delve into the timeless teachings of the early church age on prophetic ministry and explore their profound relevance in our modern world. Join us as we embark on a thought-provoking journey through the seven key points of The Prophetic Manifesto. Today, we shine a spotlight on the pivotal role of solitud…
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A Prophetic Manifesto (continued): the need for humility, silence, and solitude
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1:21:17Join Josh and Murray as they continue to breakdown the prophetic manifesto. On for today: the need for humility, silence, and solitude is crucial for prophetic maturity. The seven marks of historic prophetic ministry (The Prophetic Manifesto): - The reputation of Macarius the Great. - The Desert Fathers (aka the prophets in the church) were sought …
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The Prophecy Series: A Prophetic Manifesto (Continued)
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1:20:52What would a healthy expression of prophetic ministry look like today? How does church history inform who we are and how we are today? Join Murray and Josh as they breakdown a prophetic manifesto for the modern church. On the docket for today: prophetic ministry ought to be known for a robust interpretation of scripture and the primary function of …
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God has "being" and we are "beings". And everything derives itself from there. Join Joshua Hoffert as he talks about how we come to know God and know ourselves. For more about Josh and Wind Ministries visit: https://www.windministries.ca/ Check out our upcoming Dream Interpretation Mentorship: https://www.windtrainingacademy.com/dream-interpretatio…
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