Newly-ish married couple, Amanda and Kyle, discuss Amanda’s upbringing in the IBLP cult of Duggar infamy – a story Kyle learns about along with listeners. Through sometimes humorous, sometimes heartbreaking stories, Amanda and Kyle explore the cult’s ideology, the strange rules that surrounded Amanda’s childhood, and the abuse she endured before leaving the cult. Through it all, they talk about what it takes to break free from a cult and what gets left behind.
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Destigmatizing cannabis with conversations involving athletes, doctors, and significant figures in the cannabis space.
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If you are looking for ways to accelerate your company’s growth Small Business Pivots is the small business owner’s guide to success. Sharing interviews with fellow entrepreneurs, tips from industry experts, and advice for those who want to gain more from their business. A podcast designed for business owners craving knowledge on how to grow and maintain a prosperous enterprise, join Michael Morrison, a small business coach and specialist, entrepreneur, and the founder of BOSS, as he uses hi ...
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How To Scale A Company: Proven Leadership, Systems, and Legacy Strategies | Rick Yvanovich
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53:12Send us a text What Happens to Your Business If You Step Away Tomorrow? Rick Yvanovich has built multiple global companies over the past 30+ years—but his journey started stocking supermarket shelves. In this episode, Rick shares what it really takes to grow a business that can run without you. From battling long COVID to redefining his role as a l…
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As The Cult I Left Behind listeners know, Mother’s Day isn’t a sappy Hallmark holiday for Amanda. In this episode, Amanda and Kyle talk about what the day brings up—not just for Amanda, but for anyone who experienced harm from their mothers. Amanda shares a letter she wrote to the mother figures in her life and reflects on how watching motherhood p…
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From Limiting Beliefs to Limitless Success: Self-Worth, Mindset, Scaling $400M+ | Matthew Stafford
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42:36Send us a text In this episode of Small Business Pivots, Michael sits down with Matthew Stafford—former concrete contractor turned e-commerce strategist whose businesses have generated over $400 million in revenue. But the real story isn’t just about scaling brands—it's about scaling beliefs. Matthew reveals how deeply your self-worth and mindset i…
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From Farm To Fortune: Motivation, Mindset, Purpose Driven Business | Jackie Listen
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41:23Send us a text In this compelling episode of Small Business Pivots, we sit down with Jackie Listen, a seasoned entrepreneur, certified Ziglar Legacy and Master Coach, and author of A Place Called Through. Jackie's journey from his early days on a hog and dairy farm in Jones, Oklahoma, to becoming a successful real estate professional and banker, ex…
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Scale Your Business Like A Pro: Growth Lessons From A 9-Figure Exit | Andreas Pettersson
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43:24Send us a text What separates truly successful business owners from those who stay stuck? In this episode of Small Business Pivots, host Michael Morrison sits down with Andreas Pettersson, Founder of Leaders Adapt, to explore the real reasons why some entrepreneurs scale to success—while others spin their wheels. After helping grow a tech company t…
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Winning on Google: How To Get More Leads To Grow Your Small Business | John Horn
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42:24Send us a text Mastering Google Ads: Lead generation strategies to grow your small business with John Horn of StubGroup Navigating the complexities of Google Ads can be daunting for small business owners, but in this episode of Small Business Pivots, John Horn, CEO of Stub Group, breaks it all down. From avoiding wasted ad spend to leveraging smart…
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In this companion to the earlier episode on discipline inside the cult, Amanda and Kyle shift their focus to what healthy, respectful discipline actually looks like. They reflect on what they’re learning in their adoption training classes and how sharply it contrasts with the abusive tactics Amanda experienced growing up in the IBLP cult. They also…
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Scissors, Systems, and Success: How Trichology Salon Scaled with Strategy | Travis Briggs
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41:42Send us a text Ever wondered how some entrepreneurs turn an unexpected career shift into a thriving business? Travis Briggs, co-owner of Trichology Salon in Oklahoma City, went from tending bar to leading a successful 20-station salon—all by embracing continuous learning, business systems, and strategic hiring. In this episode of Small Business Piv…
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Unlocking Business Success: Self-Worth, Mindset, and Authentic Leadership | Kute Blackson
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44:52Send us a text In this transformative episode of Small Business Pivots, we engage with Kute Blackson—a renowned transformational teacher, speaker, and bestselling author of "You.Are.The.One." and "The Magic of Surrender"—to explore the profound connection between self-worth, personal growth, and business transformation. Kute shares his unique pe…
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77 - Unpacking the Past: Cults, Faith, and Family Truths
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33:56In this episode, Amanda and Kyle dive into listener questions about what made Amanda’s parents susceptible to joining the cult, how they became involved, how the cult accumulated massive assets, and whether Amanda’s rapist brother ever received any mental health diagnoses. They also discuss how Amanda’s college viewed the cult's ideology and its cu…
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Speak Like A Pro: Conquer Public Speaking & Video Fear With Emmy-Winning Anchor | Kerry Barrett
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44:26Send us a text Struggling with stage fright or camera anxiety? In this episode, we sit down with Kerry Barrett, an Emmy-winning former TV news anchor turned communications expert, to uncover the secrets of commanding confidence on screen. Kerry shares her journey from aspiring veterinarian to award-winning broadcaster, highlighting the power of com…
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From Fighter Jets To Business Jets: Resilience, Operations, Mentorship | James Spearman
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51:11Send us a text Imagine leaving your business behind while fighting overseas. How do you ensure it thrives without you? Our guest, James Spearman, founder & CEO of James Spearman Aircraft, shares his inspiring journey, shedding light on the challenges he faced and the turning points that defined his path. From a childhood marked by adversity to disc…
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76 - Finding Peace in Denmark: A Journey from High-Control to True Relaxation
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38:37In this episode, Amanda and Kyle share their transformative experience during a recent trip to Denmark, contrasting it with Amanda's upbringing in a high-pressure religious environment and subsequent military service. Amanda discusses how the slower pace and quieter, more relaxed culture of Denmark allowed her to feel truly relaxed and safe for the…
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From Family Business to Scaling Startups: Tech Investment & Innovation | Kyle York
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42:56Send us a text Ever wondered how a small-town upbringing can shape a big-time career in tech? In this episode of Small Business Pivots, we sit down with Kyle York, co-founder & CEO of York IE, to uncover his journey from growing up in a family-run athletic footwear business in New Hampshire to leading a strategic growth and investment firm for tech…
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The Solopreneur’s Guide to Success: Business Growth & Smart Hiring | Joe Rando
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45:58Send us a text What does it take to build a thriving business as a solopreneur? In this episode of Small Business Pivots, we sit down with Joe Rando, Founder & CEO of LifeStarr, to explore the key lessons he's learned from decades of entrepreneurship. Joe’s journey began in commercial real estate, where he leveraged creativity and relationships to …
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In this episode, Amanda and Kyle dive into the process of deconstruction—what it is, why it happens, and how it unfolds across different areas of life. From faith and identity to relationships and worldviews, they explore the key domains of deconstruction and the challenges that come with questioning deeply held beliefs. Whether you're in the middl…
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Speak Like a Pro: Coaching Tips, Imposter Syndrome, Business Growth | Blair Nichols
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36:10Send us a text Prepare to be inspired as Blair Nichols, the vibrant force behind BBN Creative Management, joins us on Small Business Pivots. He reveals his journey from a childhood curiosity about business to becoming a powerhouse in empowering entrepreneurs through speaking engagements. Blair opens up about his transition from a corporate career t…
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Outsell Your Competition: Personal Branding, Sales Strategies, Imposter Syndrome | Kay Miller
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38:25Send us a text What happens when you combine a memorable nickname like "Muffler Mama" with the art of personal branding? Join us as we uncover the unique journey of Kay Miller, a trailblazer in male-dominated industries and a number one Amazon bestseller. Through her lens, we learn how personal stories and experiences can transform self-doubt into …
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74 - Big Changes, Listener Q&A, and Cult Realities
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25:26Some big life changes are on the horizon, and Amanda and Kyle share a bit about their next steps as a family. They also dive into listener questions, discussing the most effective therapy approaches Amanda has found, how the cult handled cases of incest, and its stance on queer folks. It’s a raw and thought-provoking conversation—one you won’t want…
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Simplified Marketing Strategies: 4 C’s for Small Business Success | Amber Gaige
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34:37Send us a text Discover the art of simplifying strategic marketing with Amber Gaige, founder of Far Beyond Marketing and a third-generation entrepreneur from McKinney, Texas. With over 25 years of experience and an entrepreneurial legacy, Amber shares invaluable insights into navigating small business marketing challenges. Comparing effective marke…
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73 - Growing Up in IBLP: A Male Survivor’s Perspective on Trauma and Healing
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1:32:17In this episode, we sit down with Nate, an IBLP/ATI cult survivor and trauma survivor, to unpack the deeply ingrained conditioning we experienced growing up in the cult. From childhood grooming and the loss of personal identity to the twisted teachings that framed God’s love as something to be earned, we explore the ways the cult set us up for harm…
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Empowering Small Businesses with AI: Innovation, Marketing, and Digital Growth | Adam Nathan
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36:42Send us a text Join us for a fascinating conversation with Adam Nathan, the innovative mind behind Blaze.ai, a game-changing AI-driven marketing tool crafted specifically for small businesses. Adam's journey from a family business background to spearheading his own venture is nothing short of inspiring. He opens up about how Blaze.ai empowers small…
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72 - Protecting Kids from Sexual Abuse: What Every Parent Should Know
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31:49When we think about keeping kids safe from predators, we often imagine dangers lurking in the shadows—but the reality is much harder to face. Most abuse is committed by people close to the family, making prevention both challenging and deeply personal. In this episode, Amanda shares practical, real-world strategies for protecting kids from sexual p…
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Creating Impactful Brands: Culture, Storytelling, and Leadership | Ryan Chute
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42:27Send us a text Join us for an insightful conversation with a remarkable entrepreneur, Ryan Chute, who has successfully navigated the retail, furniture, and automotive industries. Discover how our guest's personal growth journey has been instrumental in overcoming business challenges and transforming high-pressure environments into opportunities for…
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71 - Your Stories, Our Answers: Family Rejection, Advocacy, and Healing
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55:41In this episode, Amanda and Kyle tackle listener questions surrounding the impact of purity culture and sexual trauma. They dive into Sadia’s poignant voicemail, discussing how rigid purity culture affects perspectives on sex and consent, and dissect the harmful black-and-white thinking that can follow. Amanda shares personal insights into breaking…
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How To Scale Your Business: Fractional CFO Insights For Strategic Growth | Ahuva Gruen
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33:02Send us a text Unlock the secrets to financial clarity and strategic growth for your small business as we sit down with Ahuva Gruen, a seasoned CPA and the mastermind behind AG Financial Services. Gruen reveals the misleading nature of relying solely on a bank balance and emphasizes the power of clean financial books and understanding your finances…
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70 - A Conversation with Cult Survivor and Author Daniella Mestyanek Young
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1:04:08What happens when you escape a world built on control, fear, and secrecy? How do you begin to heal after a life of indoctrination? This week, we're joined by Daniella Mestyanek Young, author, TEDx speaker, and cult survivor, to dive deep into the harrowing and inspiring journey of leaving a cult—and finding yourself on the other side. Daniella's we…
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Sales Techniques For Business Growth: Leadership & Mentorship | Gene Slade
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42:27Send us a text Want to turn your trade business into a sales powerhouse? This episode of Small Business Pivots features an electrifying conversation with Gene Slade, founder of Lead Ninja and Lead Ninja AI. From humble beginnings in his family's HVAC company to leading a sales training revolution, Gene reveals the essential strategies tradespeople …
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69 - Sex, Healing, and Breaking Generational Cycles
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58:23In this episode, Amanda and Kyle are joined by Marian, a sexual health and pleasure educator, for a powerful conversation about breaking cycles of shame and stigma. Marian shares her positive experience growing up in a family where vulnerability, honesty, and support were the norm when it came to tough topics like sex. Together, they explore the st…
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Entrepreneurial Insights & Fashion Innovation: E-Commerce & Inclusivity | Ashley Lacer
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34:20Send us a text Ashley Lacer, the dynamic force behind Michelle Mae, joins us to share her inspiring entrepreneurial journey from a background in agricultural business to leading a successful women's retail brand. Discover how Ashley's grandparents' small business influence shaped her unique approach to prioritizing team culture and customer satisfa…
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Amanda and Kyle reflect on an incredible year of connection and growth and share their heartfelt gratitude for the listeners who’ve supported the show. From messages and comments to thoughtful questions, your voices have made this journey meaningful. Amanda and Kyle also drop some news about exciting episodes coming in January to kick off the new y…
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How To Scale Your Business: Scaling Up, Leadership, And Business Growth | Herb Cogliano
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39:30Send us a text What if you could break through the barriers holding your business back and scale beyond $10 million in sales? Join us as we sit down with a distinguished Scaling Up coach, Herb Cogliano, who shares a wealth of experience from a remarkable 35-year journey transforming a family business across North America. Discover the hidden comple…
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Amanda shares a pivotal moment from her childhood: being made to apologize to the person who raped her. She and Kyle discuss the circumstances that led to this event, the family and cult factors at play, and how the experience continues to affect Amanda today. Together, they explore the long-term implications of spiritual manipulation and abuse. Se…
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Scaling Your Business with Purpose: Faith, Finances, and Strategic Growth | Leslie Hassler
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47:38Send us a text Discover how Leslie Hassler, the powerhouse behind Your Biz Rules, transforms the often-daunting entrepreneurial journey into a pathway to success—guided by faith and inspired by her belief in God's role in her journey. As a seasoned business owner from Texas, Leslie shares her transformative story of moving from a draining enterpris…
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In this heartfelt and personal episode, Amanda opens up about the unexpected role the musical Wicked played in her journey of leaving the IBLP cult and rediscovering herself. From its powerful themes of challenging authority to embracing individuality, Amanda shares how the story of Elphaba’s courage and defiance resonated deeply during her deconst…
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Embracing Subscription Models: Legal Services & Small Business Growth | Scott Reib
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39:14Send us a text Discover how to revolutionize your small business operations by embracing a subscription-based model, as we chat with Scott Reib, America's Legal Coach. Scott reveals his transformative journey of shifting his law firm's business model towards a recurring revenue system, drawing inspiration from successful companies like Dollar Shave…
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Amanda finally shares some of her dating history post-cult, pre-Kyle. Stories include the Taco Bell incident (Kyle's favorite), trad-wife-seeking encounters, insurance scammers, and that one time Amanda asked a guy out (see social media for the whole story). Also, as a public health professional, Amanda is very proud of how she handled the sexual a…
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Small Business Growth: Getting Unstuck, Patience, Marketing Strategies | Wayne Mullins
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38:50Send us a text Discover the essence of entrepreneurship with Wayne Mullins, the visionary CEO of Ugly Mug Marketing. Wayne's journey from a young lawn care entrepreneur to a seasoned business leader is packed with wisdom on patience and the importance of sticking to time-tested business principles. He reveals how understanding when to push forward …
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64 - Happy Thanksgiving & Exciting Announcement!
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10:13Join us for a quick Thanksgiving episode and special announcement! Kyle shares his family's special Thanksgiving meal tradition and Amanda shares some memories of Thanksgivings from her childhood. For all of our listeners with tough family situations this holiday season, we send you love and a reminder that you are worthy, your boundaries are impor…
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How Automation Transforms Small Business: Systems, Sales, & Marketing | Clate Mask
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35:31Send us a text Ever felt overwhelmed by the chaos of entrepreneurship and wondered if there's a way to reclaim your freedom and time? You're not alone. Join us as we sit down with Clayte Mask, CEO and Co-Founder of Keap, an expert in helping small businesses automate their processes. With over two decades of experience and insights from his book "C…
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Amanda and Kyle respond to listener questions about head coverings, cult practices around the Sabbath, if Amanda thinks her boldness and intelligence caused her to be targeted for abuse as she grew up in the IBLP cult, and how Amanda thinks sexual abuse against one of her brothers would have been handled versus how it was handled for her as a girl.…
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Leadership Excellence & Strategic Growth: Culture & Performance | Jeff Standridge
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35:31Send us a text Unlock the secrets of achieving leadership excellence and strategic growth with insights from Jeff Standridge, a seasoned entrepreneur from Conway, Arkansas. Jeff brings a wealth of experience to the table, sharing how his initial business setbacks became stepping stones to success. He introduces GrowthDX, a diagnostic tool designed …
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What do Cabbage Patch Kids and the 2024 election in the US have in common? A lot, as it turns out. This episode was recorded in response to a poll posted on social media asking listeners to share topics they would like to hear in an episode. Amanda and Kyle discuss correlations between Bill Gothard and Trump/Vance. Send us text! Please note this pl…
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How To Franchise Your Business: Leadership & Time Management | Aaron Harper
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39:18Send us a text Curious about what it takes to franchise a business? In this episode, we sit down with Aaron Harper, CEO and founder of Rolling Suds, a power washing franchise that’s grown to nearly 250 locations across 28 states in less than 2 years. Aaron’s journey isn’t your typical path to success—he’s faced Hollywood setbacks, embraced spiritua…
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Kyle is in the hot seat sharing his background in the Christian church, his thoughts about purity culture as a young adult, and the way he handled sex and relationships as someone who attended Baptist church. Amanda learns a shocking revelation about Kyle's past. Kyle shares his deconstruction story and his eventual departure from Christianity. Jum…
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Marketing & Branding For Small Business Growth: Differentiation Strategies | Emma Shermer Tamir
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42:06Send us a text What if understanding your business identity could lead to unlocking sustainable growth? Join me as I sit down with Emma Shermer-Tamir, the inspiring CEO and co-founder of Marketing by Emma, who shares her transformative journey from a shy youngster to a leading figure in e-commerce marketing. Emma opens up about her battles with con…
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Amanda shares her deconstruction journey, which began a decade ago when she was a worship leader for a church. That was awkward. She talks through attending seminary after Bible college and her process of realizing there were aspects of Christianity and religion that were irreconcilable with logic, in her opinion. Kyle accidentally lands in the hot…
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ChatGPT And Beyond: Growing Your Business With AI | Chris Rubin
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35:25Send us a text Can human creativity survive in a world increasingly reliant on artificial intelligence? Join us on Small Business Pivots as we explore this compelling question with Chris Rubin, the innovative founder and chief creative officer of Brand Multiplier. Chris takes us through his life's journey, sharing how his experiences as an only chi…
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Following up on the marriage purposes series, Amanda and Kyle share their non-courtship story that basically ignored all of Bill's relationship guidelines. However, Kyle almost followed purity culture with room for the Holy Spirit for a whole lotta dates. Amanda will never let him live it down. They compare Bill's marriage principles to the insight…
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Unpacking PR, Branding, and Advertising: Tips for Small Business Owners | Marcy Clark
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43:34Send us a text Discover the secrets of effective public relations with Marcy Clark, a global PR expert who has made waves from Manchester to Manhattan. Marcy takes us through her exhilarating career journey, offering valuable insights for small business owners on how to find the right PR firm. Learn the key indicators of a competent agency and the …
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