Navigating Bitcoin's Noise is a podcast dedicated to bridging the gap between traditional financial markets and crypto markets. In each episode, I look to discuss how monetary technologies like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are evolving the underlying rails of the existing financial system.
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EP61-Bitcoin, Liquidity, and the Power Curve with Matthew Mežinskis
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1:37:41Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the clearest insights on Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I’m joined by fellow investor, macro thinker, and data modeler Matthew Mežinskis. In this episode, I talk with Matthew about how Bitcoin may follow a power law curve — not just in…
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EP60 The Art of Bitcoin Price Discovery with Simple Steve
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1:01:51Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the clearest insights on Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I’m joined by artist, builder, and Bitcoin thinker, Simple Steve. In this episode, I talk with Steve about his project UTXO Oracle and the deeper implications of price discovery i…
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EP59 - Bitcoin, Power Law, and the Value of Systems with Sina
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1:09:32Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the clearest insights on Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I’m joined by Sina from 21st Capital. In this episode, we dive into the power law dynamics driving Bitcoin’s growth and the critical inflection points ahead. I sit down with Sina …
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EP58_Hard Money Talks - The Big Print & Breaking the Fiat Illusion with Lawrence Lepard
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47:08Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the clearest insights on Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I’m joined by fellow investor, Bitcoiner, and soon to be author Lawrence Lepard. In this episode, I talk with Larry about his upcoming book, The Big Print. We dive into his motiva…
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EP57 Long-term Thinking in a Bitcoin World with Morgen Rochard
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42:21Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the clearest insights on Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I’m joined by fellow financial advisor Morgen Rochard. In this episode, we dive into Bitcoin’s role in traditional portfolios, the importance of balancing long-term and short-term…
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EP56 Integrating Bitcoin Into Day-to-Day Finance with Brian Harrington
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58:44Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin's Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I'm your host, Kane McGukin, and today we will be discussing using Bitcoin in conjunction with the traditional ACH network with Brian Harrington of Fold. In our conversation, we discussed the ad…
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Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin's Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I'm your host, Kane McGukin, and today we will be discussing Multisig with Svrgnty. In our conversation, we discussed the value and security of a multisig setup and how it can be done at the ind…
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EP54: Discussing DeFi, Staking, and Venture Capitalists interest in Crypto with Riley Edmunds
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44:17Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin's Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I'm your host, Kane McGukin, and today we have Riley Edmunds, co-founder of Stride Labs. In our conversation, we discuss Riley’s time at Bridgewater Associates, DeFi protocols, the choices and t…
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EP53 Bitcoin Valuation Tools: the Kelly Criteria and MetCalfe's Law with Timothy Peterson
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1:05:35Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin's Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I'm your host, Kane McGukin, and today we have a fascinating conversation with Timothy Peterson, founder of Cane Island Digital Research. In our conversation we dissect the upside and downside o…
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EP52 Bitcoin Monthly Update: 2023 Review and 2024 Outlook with Trey Sellers
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25:44Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today is a monthly Bitcoin update with Trey Sellers from Unchained. In this month's brief, we discuss the fundamental keys from this past year and we cover Bitco…
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EP51 Decoding Bitcoin's Rise: Exploring a Bitcoin Valuation Metric and Its Growth Pattern.mp3
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37:59Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I have special guest, Jogi for an update on Bitcoin’s adoption curve. In this episode, we explore Jogi's Bitcoin Price to Trend metric, a valuation tool fo…
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EP50 Bitcoin Monthly Roundup with Trey Sellers: Unraveling FASB's Accounting Update
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26:57Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I have special guest, Trey Sellers from Unchained. In this episode, we dive deep into the recent Financial Standard Board’s (FASB) accounting update for Bi…
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EP49 Bitcoin Unveiled: The intersection of Money, Politics, and Banking with Eric Yakes
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50:27Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I have a special guest, Eric Yakes, author of The 7th Property. In this episode, we dive deep into the intriguing intersection of Bitcoin, banking, and pol…
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EP48 Base Layer Technology and Bitcoin Mining Foundations Unveiled with Bob Burnett
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1:15:55Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I have special guest, CEO of Barefoot Mining, Bob Burnett. In this episode, we draw intriguing parallels between the early stages of base layer innovations…
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EP47 Bitcoin Monthly Roundup with Trey Sellers - Bitcoin ETFs, Trust, Supply and Hodl Waves
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42:39Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. In this monthly update, we discuss the flurry of ETF filings led by Blackrock, Coinbase’s role as the surveillance arm, and the potential impact of locking up Bitcoin in Trusts and ETFs. We also…
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EP46 Unraveling Bitcoin's Enigma - Beyond the Hype and Hurdles with Aleksandar Svetski
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55:12Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we bridge the gap between traditional finance and Bitcoin. I’m your host Kane McGukin and today I’m joined by Bitcoin speaker and entrepreneur Aleksandar Svetski. In this episode, we dive into appreciating that Bitcoin is bigger than we realize meaning that adoption likely takes longer than w…
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EP45 Unlocking Scarce Money - Exploring Protocols & Standards w/ Jesse Myers from Onramp Bitcoin
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51:49Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we bridge the gap between traditional finance and Bitcoin. I’m your host Kane McGukin and today I’m joined by Jesse Myers, COO at Onramp Bitcoin. In this episode, we dive deep into the lessons free market money and gold can teach us about Bitcoin, the importance of protocols for creating stan…
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EP44 Bitcoin June Monthly Roundup with Trey Sellers
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56:17Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host Kane McGukin and today is our monthly roundup of all things Bitcoin with Trey Sellers from Unchained. In these episodes we dive deep into the ever-evolving world of Bitcoin and cov…
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EP43 Ryan DeMattia - Derivatives, Arbitrage, and Leverage in Bitcoin and Crypto Markets
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1:05:51Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. Today on the show I have Ryan DeMattia from Coindex Capital and we’ll be discussing, arbitrage, leverage, and the risks related to overcollateralization in Bitcoin and crypto markets. Alright, e…
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EP42 Bitcoin Fundamentals with Trey Sellers from Unchained
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39:14Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I have special guest, Trey Sellers from Unchained. In this episode, we look to start a monthly series where we talk selectively about the few things that m…
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EP41_P2_GuySwann: Nostr, Bitcoin and Taking 2 Steps Forward, 1 Step Back
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45:28Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I have a special guest, Guy Swann, The Guy who’s read more about Bitcoin than anyone else. In this episode, we delve into the importance of re-architecting…
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EP41_P1_GuySwann: Nostr, Bitcoin and Taking 2 Steps Forward, 1 Step Back
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43:01Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and today I have a special guest, Guy Swann, The Guy who’s read more about Bitcoin than anyone else. In this episode, we delve into the importance of re-architecting…
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EP40 Trent Dudenhoffer - Bitcoin Planning and the Future Financial Advisor
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55:59Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and in this episode, we have a special guest, Trent Dudenhoeffer, a Bitcoiner and Financial Planner at Watchdog Capital. Today, Trent will share the importance of ha…
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EP39_Part2_Peruvian Bull and The Dollar Endgame
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40:36Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and in this episode, we have a special guest, Peruvian Bull, a FinTech and PE analyst who is also an expert when it comes to understanding how monetary systems work.…
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EP39_Part1_ PeruvianBull and The Dollar Endgame
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30:59Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and in this episode, we have a special guest, Peruvian Bull, a FinTech and PE analyst who is also an expert when it comes to understanding how monetary systems work.…
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EP38: Joe Consorti on Cross Asset Correlations, Bitcoin Trading as Risk, and the Macro Environment
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59:03Welcome to Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, the podcast where we cut through the clutter and bring you the most insightful perspectives in the world of #Bitcoin. I’m your host, Kane McGukin, and in this episode, we have a special guest, Joe Consorti, from The Bitcoin Layer. Today Joe will be sharing his macro views and theories on why Bitcoin has been t…
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EP37: Namcios from Bitcoin Magazine on Self-Custody, Wallets, and Brazil's Bitcoin Bill
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45:06In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Namcios who is a writer and reporter for Bitcoin Magazine. In our conversation, we unwrap Bitcoin basics, wallets, exchanges, and self-custody. We discuss the trade-off between security and convenience that comes with storing Bitcoin. Additionally, we discuss the recent Brazilian Bitcoin…
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EP36_Bobby Shell - Voltage's Lightning Infrastructure For Businesses
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40:38In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, Bobby Shell from Voltage shares his views on the opportunity of providing Lightning infrastructure to businesses to further the adoption of Bitcoin. Bobby and I discuss the value of understanding our relationship with money, his entrepreneurial background, and the case for business owners holding Bitco…
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EP35.P2 Mark Moss - Crypto Scams, Bitcoin as a Banking Bridge, and The UnCommunist Manifesto
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30:34In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, Mark Moss and I discuss the opportunity Bitcoin offers, Crypto scams, and his book The UnCommunist Manifesto. In episode two we focus more on the uncomfortable reality of how money has added to the slow rise of socialism and Communism. Our October conversation was pre-FTX’s collapse. However, we discus…
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EP35.P1 Mark Moss - Crypto Scams, Bitcoin as a Banking Bridge, and The UnCommunist Manifesto
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35:28In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, Mark Moss and I discuss the opportunity Bitcoin offers, Crypto scams, and his book The UnCommunist Manifesto. In episode two we focus more on the uncomfortable reality of how money has added to the slow rise of socialism and Communism. Our October conversation was pre-FTX’s collapse. However, we discus…
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EP34_Timothy Peterson Comparing Bear Markets, Recession Data, and Bretton Woods 2.0 with Bitcoin
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55:15In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined again by Timothy Peterson from Cane Island Research. Tim and I discuss a few of his recent charts. One compares past Bear Markets to today’s market and another looks into the Leading Economic Index, the LEI. Tim shares how he looks at the LEI and what it signals about recession probabilitie…
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33.P2.Pablo Fernandez_The Fundamentals Of The Lightning Network
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39:38In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Pablo Fernandez, who is a software developer and Head of R&D at Swan Bitcoin. Pablo shares why coding is a powerful and an important modern skill to learn. In our chat, we talk about Lightning basics, on-chain and off-chain transactions, as well as the choices and sacrifices devs face wh…
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33.P1.Pablo Fernandez_The Fundamentals of The Lightning Network
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33:06In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Pablo Fernandez, who is a software developer and Head of R&D at Swan Bitcoin. Pablo shares why coding is a powerful and an important modern skill to learn. In our chat, we talk about Lightning basics, on-chain and off-chain transactions, as well as the choices and sacrifices devs face wh…
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32.P2.David Foley of EMA - Leverage - Bitcoin's CDO^2 Moment
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41:35In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by David Foley, partner at Equity Management Associates. David shares what he learned in his career on Wall Street working with collateralized debt, leverage, and securitized product structures. We covered the similarities between the 2007 CDO collapse and the leverage unwind during the rec…
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32.P1.David Foley of EMA - Leverage - Bitcoin's CDO^2 Moment
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35:54In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by David Foley, partner at Equity Management Associates. David shares what he learned in his career on Wall Street working with collateralized debt, leverage, and securitized product structures. We covered the similarities between the 2007 CDO collapse and the leverage unwind during the rec…
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EP31-P2 - Sam Callahan Of Swan Bitcoin on Central Banks and The BIS View on Bitcoin and Crypto
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32:35In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Sam Callahan who is an analyst at Swan Bitcoin. In our conversation, we discuss The Bank For International Settlements' recent paper, The Future Monetary System. Sam shares his deep central banking knowledge as we dive deeper into their views on central bank digital coins, digital money,…
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EP31-P1- Sam Callahan Of Swan Bitcoin on Central Banks and The BIS View on Bitcoin and Crypto
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28:30In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Sam Callahan who is an analyst at Swan Bitcoin. In our conversation, we discuss The Bank For International Settlements' recent paper, The Future Monetary System. Sam shares his deep central banking knowledge as we dive deeper into their views on central bank digital coins, digital money,…
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EP30_Jogi_The Exponential Growth And Distribution Curve of Bitcoin
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43:41In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Jogi to discuss a viral Twitter post where he depicted Bitcoin’s adoption price based on its adoption curve. In our discussion, we talk about the importance of understanding s-curves and how new technologies are adopted at an exponential rate and in a non-linear fashion. We talk about re…
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EP29(Part2)James Lavish On Institutional Appetite For Bitcoin, Shorting BTC, Yields, And Recession
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40:03In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by James Lavish, a reformed hedge fund manager turned Bitcoin educator through The Looking Glass Education. In our discussion, we talk about big institutions and their appetite for Bitcoin, why and how hedge funds are using Bitcoin to hedge high beta stocks, and the unfortunate downside of …
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EP29(Part1)James Lavish On Institutional Appetite For Bitcoin, Shorting BTC, Yields, And Recession
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36:19In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by James Lavish, a reformed hedge fund manager turned Bitcoin educator through The Looking Glass Education. In our discussion, we talk about big institutions and their appetite for Bitcoin, why and how hedge funds are using Bitcoin to hedge high beta stocks, and the unfortunate downside of …
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EP28_Part 2_Epsilon Theory's Ben Hunt - On Wall Street, And Why Washington Isn't Out to Ban Bitcoin
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25:37In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Ben Hunt founder of Epsilon Theory. In our discussion, we cover two of Ben’s articles, In Praise of Bitcoin and The MacGuffin. Ben shares his unique views on Bitcoin TM and the broader crypto ecosystem. We discuss his approach to the world and how he’s able to navigate the many narrative…
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EP28_Part 1_Epsilon Theory's Ben Hunt - On Wall Street, And Why Washington Isn't Out to Ban Bitcoin
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28:17In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Ben Hunt founder of Epsilon Theory. In our discussion, we cover two of Ben’s articles, In Praise of Bitcoin and The MacGuffin. Ben shares his unique views on Bitcoin TM and the broader crypto ecosystem. We discuss his approach to the world and how he’s able to navigate the many narrative…
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EP27_Jeff Ross - The Macro View - Bitcoin's Future Potential As A Major Asset Class
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52:56In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Jeff Ross of Vailshire Capital to discuss the macro drivers of our current markets. In our discussion, we cover Jeff’s value tilted view and what role Bitcoin might play in the economy going forward. Jeff shares his view of Bitcoin as money and its future potential as a major asset class…
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EP26 (Part 2) - Checkmate From Glassnode - An Engineer's Approach To Bitcoin On-Chain Data Signals
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37:14In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Checkmate, lead on-chain analyst at Glassnode. In our discussion, Check shares the importance of taking an engineer's approach to truly understand what drives and supports a market below the surface. We cover how on-chain analytics allows one to monitor value flowing through the Bitcoin …
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EP26 (Part 1) - Checkmate From Glassnode - An Engineer's Approach To Bitcoin On-Chain Data Signals
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31:48In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Checkmate, lead on-chain analyst at Glassnode. In our discussion, Check shares the importance of taking an engineer's approach to truly understand what drives and supports a market below the surface. We cover how on-chain analytics allows one to monitor value flowing through the Bitcoin …
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EP25_Part 2 - Mark Jeftovic on Bitcoin's role in the decentralization of the Internet
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24:44In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Mark Jeftovic, CEO of easyDNS. In our discussion, we cover the similarities between the early days of domains and hosting, and how that intersects with the evolving Bitcoin Network and broader cryptocurrency ecosystem. Mark also shared what it’s like being an early adopter of holding sou…
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EP25_Part 1 - Mark Jeftovic Bitcoin's role in the decentralization of the Internet
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36:48In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Mark Jeftovic, CEO of easyDNS. In our discussion, we cover the similarities between the early days of domains and hosting, and how that intersects with the evolving Bitcoin Network and broader cryptocurrency ecosystem. Mark also shared what it’s like being an early adopter of holding sou…
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EP24_Blockware Solutions' Joe Burnett On Institutional Interest In Bitcoin Mining
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32:54In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin's Noise, I am joined by Joe Burnett who is an analyst with Blockware Solutions. In our discussion, we cover Bitcoin's mining properties, its volatility, and how that leads to an endless number of investors going down the rabbit hole for the first time. We also discuss Bitcoin's hashrate, institutional mining op…
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EP23_Andy Edstrom - An Advisor's View of Bitcoin As The Amazon Of The Modern Wealth Management Portfolio
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52:50In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Andy Edstrom a financial advisor and author of Why Buy Bitcoin. In our discussion, we cover the efforts it takes to get Bitcoin added as a position in the modern portfolio, how clients react to Bitcoin’s volatility, and we cover the recent Presidential Executive Order on Digital Assets. …
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EP22_Timothy_Peterson_Part2_Metcalfe's Law tells you how networks grow. It's users squared
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38:33In this episode of Navigating Bitcoin’s Noise, I am joined by Timothy Peterson of Cane Island Alternative Advisors. To discuss the power and importance of network effects in cryptocurrencies. As the economy has transitioned to a digitized world driven by math, Metcalfe’s Law has become a very important component of financial modeling and understand…
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