Hi. My name is Mike Maeshiro. I'm a gay, deconstructed former Christian minister. I wanted a place where I wasn't teaching and more inviting my audience on the journey with me in a candid and exploratory way. So I started this podcast. I hope my journey is helpful for you. With curiosity and a critical mind, let's dive in. Music by Alex_MakeMusic
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Church scandals, conmen, cults and charlatans. Deconversion "Therapy" Podcast is your place to laugh about shady televangelists to Christian rock concerts where no one is allowed to dance.
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Season 5: Episode 16 Mike spent last week at the Post-Evangelical Collective gathering in Nashville this last week. This episode unpacks some of his experiences and highlights of the week. Everything Numa Post-Evangelical Collective
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Season 5: Episode 15 The United States Attorney General recently announced a task force to eradicate anti-Christian bias. In this episode Mike responds to this announcement and calls out the harm that white evangelicalism continues to impose upon the people it seeks to convert and control. Everything Numa Coaching Disloyal…
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Christian, Agnostic, & Queer with Brandan Robertson
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57:16Season 5: Episode 14 Rev. Brandan Robertson is a noted author, activist, and theologian known for his work at the intersections of spirituality, sexuality, and social justice. As Pastor of Sunnyside Reformed Church in New York City and founder of The Devout Foundation, he has become a leading voice in progressive Christianity. With over 250,000 fol…
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Season 5: Episode 13 There's violence that comes with leaving a particular group or belief system. In this episode Mike discusses the violent exits he's had to make in his life. Everything Numa
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Season 5: Episode 12 Before coming out and deconstructing, Mike was known as an expert in the discerning of spirts. It's a topic that he has avoided talking about despite many people's curiosity regarding his current understanding. In this episode, Mike opens the door to the possibility of exploring this further post evangelicalism. Everything Numa…
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Divorce, Asexuality & Ethical Non-Monogamy with Dr. Michael Simmons
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1:00:24Season 5: Episode 11 Dr. Michael Simmons is the founder of Inner Work Community LLC, an online collective of psycho-spiritual healers. He is a Shadow Work Coach with over a decade of experience initiating people into their inner landscape, and liberating them to embrace their authentic life. Everything Numa…
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Season 5: Episode 10 In this episode, Mike reflects on dating and the journey he's been on since coming out. Everything Numa
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Season 5: Episode 9 Jennifer Knapp is a grammy-nominated, singer-songwriter, author, speaker, and advocate, known for her musical talents and commitment to social causes. Everything Numa Jennifer Knapp Website
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Season 5: Episode 8 Kit Sargent is an LGBTQIA+ Mindset Mentor, budding astrologer, and host of the Queer Consciousness Podcast. Everything Numa Kit Sargent: Instagram | Podcast
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Episode 7: Season 5 Janice Lagata is back on the podcast! Storyteller. Upsetter. Believer in better. Janice speaks boldly so all can listen. Everything Numa @godhasnotgiven
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Season 5: Episode 6 Ashton Colby, Trans Spirituality Advocate & Keynote Speaker, featured by CNN, NBC, People, Today, and on TEDx, joins Mike to discuss the state of the US for trans people at this time. Everything Numa Ashton Colby: TikTok; Instagram
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Shawn Bolz - When Prophecy Hurts with Jubilee Dawn
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1:17:02Season 5: Episode 5 Jubilee Dawn joins Mike to share her story of an unsolicited Shawn Bolz prophecy that propelled her life into the darkest of places, and the healing journey that she has found on the other side.Trigger warnings: Spiritual abuse, domestic violence, suicide Everything Numa Jubilee…
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Season 5: Episode 4 Mike brings back special guest, reality star, Colton Underwood (The Bachelor, Coming Out Colton) to discuss the IVF journey, dating and to answer questions from followers. Everything Numa Daddyhood Podcast:Colton's Instagram
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Disloyal: Breaking Up with our MAGA Parents
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36:50Season 5: Episode 3 In this current political environment, navigating relationships with MAGA family members can be difficult and disheartening. Mike's sister, Mika, joins him to discuss their journey in navigating the toxicity of having MAGA parents and to announce a new group launching soon: Disloyal. Everything Numa…
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Progressive Pastor Talks Trump: Josh Scott
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55:14Season 5: Episode 2 In this episode, Mike interviews progressive pastor Josh Scott regarding his take on all things Trump. Josh is a multi-book author and the lead pastor at GracePointe Church in Nashville, Tennessee. Everything Numa Josh Scott
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Season 5: Episode 1 It's 2025 and in this episode Mike shares thoughts of Meta, dating and what's coming in the new year! Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 50 In this episode, Mike recaps his journey as a content creator in 2024. Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 49 In this bonus episode, Mike speaks with his friend Mya. Her response to his original series: Trump Bullies, inspired the continuation and expansion of this discussion. Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 48 In this episode Mike shares his current thoughts on life after deconstruction. Join Sparkle Everything Numa
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Connection-Based Parenting with Wendy Snyder
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47:37Season 4: Episode 47 Powerful Parenting Educator and Family Life Coach, Wendy Snyder joins Mike to discuss firm and kind connection-based parenting. Everything Numa Wendy Snyder | Instagram | Fresh Start Family
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Season 4: Episode 46 In this 2-part series, Mike shares some of his thoughts, reactions, and commentary around patterns he noticed in the comment section of his social media following the election. Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 45 In this 2-part series, Mike shares some of his thoughts, reactions, and commentary around patterns he noticed in the comment section of his social media following the election. Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 44 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Laura Anderson, PhD, MA, Author of When Religion Hurts You. Everything Numa …
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Season 4: Episode 43 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews JS Park, Author of As Long As You Need: Permission to Grieve. Everything Numa …
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Season 4: Episode 42 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Ryan Canty, Author of Deweaponize: Re-examining how we read the Bible in pursuit of a more Christlike interpretation. …
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Season 4: Episode 41 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Jenai Auman, Author of Othered. Everything Numa Queer and Affirming Writer'…
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Season 4: Episode 40 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Matthias Roberts, Author of Beyond Shame: Creating a Healthy Sex Life on Your Own Terms and Holy Runaways: Rediscovering Faith after Being Bur…
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Season 4: Episode 39 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews Brit Barron, Author of Do You Still Talk to Grandma? When the Problematic People in Our Lives Are the Ones We Love. …
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Season 4: Episode 38 In this series, Mike celebrates authors. People who have a message and a story to share and who have done the hard work to get their message out there. In this episode, Mike interviews April Ajoy, Author of Star-Spangled Jesus. Everything Numa Queer and Affirming W…
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Season 4: Episode 37 Lately Mike has been sharing more gym selfies and body photos. In this episode, he shares his journey from purity culture to gym selfies. Everything Numa God Made Me Gay - Substack
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Labels and Why We Need Them: Journal Entry #4
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24:35Season 4: Episode 36 Journal Entries: Reflections Around Politics. It's an election year and that means some crazy stuff is about to happen! This series will show up, as needed, to pull apart, poke at, and examine political adjacent happenings. Everything Numa God Made Me Gay - Substack…
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Season 4: Episode 35 How do you talk to your kids about sex when they're queer? In this episode, Mike explores the possiblity of open and honest conversations. Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 34 In this episode, Mike shares about his visit to the most toxic church he's ever experienced. Everything Numa
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Surviving Spiritual Abuse with Tyler Williamson: Part 2
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1:17:55Season 4: Episode 33 In this episode, Mike brings back the guest from the most popular episode in 2023. Tyler Williamson shares more specific information and details about the spiritual abuse he endured while working in multiple ministries. This is part 2 of a 2 part interview. Everything Numa…
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Surviving Spiritual Abuse with Tyler Williamson: Part 1
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1:17:41Season 4: Episode 32 In this episode, Mike brings back the guest from the most popular episode in 2023. Tyler Williamson shares more specific information and details about the spiritual abuse he endured while working in multiple ministries. This is part 1 of a 2 part interview. Everything Numa…
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Season 4: Episode 31 Mike confronts the toxicity and harm created by ex-gay and side-b theology. Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 30 Jump in the back seat and listen in as Mike and his friend, Mica record a candid and very real conversation. Everything Numa
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Season 4: Episode 29 In this follow-up to the series Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents, Mike talks about his most recent visit with his parents and if the book changed how he experiences them. Everything Numa
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Evangelical Straight White Men in Leadership
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1:42:06Season 4: Episode 28 In this episode Mike interviews Sarah Heath and Keri Ladouceur—women who have been in evangelical leadership—regarding their experiences and perspectives navigating straight white men in those same spaces. Everything Numa Sarah Heath: Instagram Keri Ladouceur: Instagram…
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Will the Most Violent Win?: Journal Entry #3
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32:50Season 4: Episode 27 Journal Entries: Reflections Around Politics. It's an election year and that means some crazy stuff is about to happen! This series will show up, as needed, to pull apart, poke at, and examine political adjacent happenings. Everything Numa…
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Coming Out in a Straight Marriage: Nate's POV
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50:18Season 4: Episode 26 In this extension of the previous episode, Mike interviews Nate, Mya's straight husband who has walked alongside Mya in her sexual orientation discovery and coming out within their straight marriage. The Rainbow Room
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Coming Out in a Straight Marriage: Mya's POV
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1:12:53Season 4: Episode 25 In this episode, Mike interviews his friend Mya who is navigating her sexual orientation discovery and coming out within a straight marriage. The Rainbow Room
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PRIDE is over. But that doesn't mean we're done listening to people who survived evangelicalism and are now thriving as out LGBT people. Listen in on Karen's conversation with Mike Maeshiro, a former instructor at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry and his journey to being an out gay man. Find out more about him at https://www.mikemaeshiro.com/…
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Emotionally Immature Parents: Chapters 9 and 10
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16:54Season 4: Episode 24 In this series Mike shares his process as he reads the most suggested book to him by his followers: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents. Today's episode covers insights from chapters 9 and 10. Everything Numa…
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Sorry about the technical delay. I promise, it's worth it! Here is the rest of the conversation with LGBT advocate, Jennifer Knapp. Find her at JenniferKnapp.com. Keep in Touch or support us with our free and paid versions of our newsletter. Episode tithes and offerings can be dropped here. ❤️ Please Rate and Review. It means so much! Thank you. We…
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Season 4: Episode 23 In this series Mike shares his process as he reads the most suggested book to him by his followers: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents. Today's episode covers insights from chapters 7 and 8.
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What an amazing conversation Karen had with Jennifer Knapp. Once the star of Christian music, she now finds her place in LGBT advocacy. Watch for the second part tomorrow, and the YouTube on Sunday! Her new re-release of KANSAS is out now. You've got to check it out. Keep in Touch or support us with our free and paid versions of our newsletter. Epi…
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Emotionally Immature Parents: Internalizer vs Externalizer
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22:15Season 4: Episode 22 In this series Mike shares his process as he reads the most suggested book to him by his followers: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents. Today's episode covers insights from chapter 6. Everything Numa
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It's the second week of PRIDE and we've got your 2nd favorite redhead--April Ajoy--and her non-binary spouse Beecher. We hear their story from Christian fundamentalists to Beecher coming to terms with being non-binary--all while April realizes she is bi-sexual. And their marriage works! Caution little ears (why are you here anyway?), we discuss sex…
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Emotionally Immature Parents: Daddy Issues
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16:58Season 4: Episode 21 In this series Mike shares his process as he reads the most suggested book to him by his followers: Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents. Today's episode covers insights from chapters 3, 4 and 5. Everything Numa…
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