Two theologians walk into a bar... No, seriously: This podcast is about the real world of politics and current events, seen through the lens of Catholic teaching and spirituality. Your hosts, Fr. Dan Horan and David Dault, bring you a mix of perspectives, from Abbey Road to Metaphysical Graffiti. Dan is a Franciscan friar and Catholic priest. David is a radio producer and Catholic convert. They both have doctorates in theology. It is the best possible kind of nerdy.
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"Things Not Seen" talks with people of faith who are working to make sense of why we are here and how we can all live together despite our deep differences in belief. The show is hosted by Dr. David Dault, and features guests from a broad spectrum of public life, with in-depth conversations about real struggles at the intersection of faith and culture.
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Heidi, Daniel, and David gather for a special episode to look at the first weeks of the papacy of Pope Leo XIV. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Sandburg Media
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#2508 - The death, impact, and legacy of Pope Francis
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1:18:21Heidi, Daniel, and David reflect on the papacy of Poe Francis, end talk about the next steps that will be happening in the Vatican following his death this past Monday. Then they look ahead to the future of the Church, and discuss how we each can take up the legacy of Francis into the heart of the 21st century. Learn more about your ad choices. Vis…
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#2507 - Tariffs, preaching on creation, and an interview with Stephanie Clary about Laudato Si'
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1:19:56Heidi, Daniel, and David look at the negative effects of a fabricated trade war on global commerce, and then they explore how pastors can use their positions to help raise awareness about climate change. Then Heidi interviews Stephanie Clary, of NCR's EarthBeat, about the 10th anniversary of Laudato Si'. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit mega…
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#2506 - Illegal deportations, survey of women in ministry, and an interview with Meghan Clark
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1:36:45Heidi, Daniel, and David look at the recent actions of the Trump administration to violate civil rights and judicial oversight, and discuss a recent survey of women in the San Diego Diocese. Then Heidi interviews theologian Meghan J. Clark Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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#2505 - Threats to the Department of Education and Georgetown Law School, and an interview with Rev. Angela Denker
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1:17:45Heidi, Daniel, and David look at the recent attacks on education, both generally and specifically, by the Trump administration, and Heidi interviews Rev. Angela Denker about Christian nationalism. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Sandburg Media
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#2504 - The Pope's health, potential cuts to Medicaid, and an interview with Shannon Evans on Lent
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1:19:49Daniel, Heidi, and David look at the GOP's recent attacks on Medicaid, and join their prayers with the world on behalf of the health of Pope Francis. Heidi interviews NCR's Shannon Evans about lenten spirituality Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Sandburg Media
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Francis Effect presents: The Four Theologians
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1:11:48In this special episode of The Francis Effect, co-host Heidi Schlumpf moderates a roundtable of four theologians: Dr. Bryan Massingale and Dr. Cristina Traina, both of Fordham University in New York, and Dr. Hille Haker and Dr. Miguel Diaz, both of Loyola University Chicago. The guests react to the first month of the second term of President Donald…
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#2503 - The attack on USAID, J.D. Vance's armchair theology, and an interview with Charlene Howard of Pax Christi
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1:20:14Heidi, Daniel, and David look at the effects the recent attacks on USAID have had on charities and NGOs - especially in the Catholic world. Then they look at the recent comments made by Vice-President J.D. Vance as he weighs in on theological issues. Finally, Heidi welcomes Charlene Howard, the new Executive Director of Pax Christi USA, for a conve…
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#2502 - Trump 2.0, the Oscars nominations, and an interview with Thomas Reese, SJ
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1:17:10Heidi, Daniel, and David look at the first week of the second Trump administration, and what listeners can do for self-care and mutual aid. Next, we take a lighter view and look at the various vilms nominated for the 2025 Academy Awards. Finally, Heidi interviews Fr. Thomas Reese, SJ, about his life in Catholic journalism, Learn more about your ad …
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#2501 - The new Trump administration, Cardinal Robert McElroy becomes new Archbishop of Washington, and an interview with Dylan Corbett
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1:18:25Heidi, Dan, and David think about how Catholics might prepare themselves for the violence against the vulnerable being promised by the incoming Trump administration, and they look at the work and ministry of Cardinal Robert McElroy with some measure of hope for the Church speaking out in favor of the "least of these." Then Heidi interviews Dylan Co…
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#2416 - Advent, Chris White on Vatican News, and a Pop Culture Roundup
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1:22:33Heidi, Dan, and David end the season with a conversation about how we are celebrating Advent and preparing for Christmas this year, as well as doing a roundup of what we have been watching and reading over the past few months. Plus Heidi interviews Chris White of National Catholic Reporter, and they discuss what might be coming next for the Francis…
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#2415 - Trump's Proposed Cabinet Picks, Renewed Debates about Hymns in Liturgy, and an Interview with Ann Garrido
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1:18:09Heidi, Dan and David discuss the implications of Trump's cabinet picks for vulnerable populations. They look at the recent controversies around the liturgical use of certain hymns and songwriters, and Heidi interviews Ann Garrido about how to navigate difficult conversations during the holiday season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megapho…
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#2414 - Post-Election conversation, featuring Sr. Simone Campbell and Fr. Bryan Massingale
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1:11:07Heidi, Daniel, and David welcome their guests, Fr. Bryan Massingale and Sr. Simone Campbell, SSS, to look at the 2024 election and address the questions, How are we doing? How did we get here? and Where do we go from here? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Sandburg Media
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#2413 - The Synod on Synodality, the 2024 elections, and an interview with Michael Canaris
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1:15:59Heidi, Daniel, and David look at the role of Catholic voters in the upcoming elections, and we look at the concluding weeks of the Synod on Synodality and explore its possible impacts, and then Heidi is in conversation with Michael Canaris of Loyola University Chicago, who just returned from Rome after leading a student delegation to engage with th…
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#2412 - Hurricanes and Climate Change, Horan's News, and an interview with Massimo Faggioli
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1:33:36In this extended episode, we look at the recent climate devastation in the southeast, debrief with Daniel about his recent announcement, and Heidi interviews Massimo Faggioli about the October meeting of the Synod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Sandburg Media
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#2411 - Anti-Immigration bias, Religiosity among Gen-Z men, and an interview with Jeanne Lewis of Faith in Public Life
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1:06:22Heidi, Daniel, and David talk about the recent rise in calumny among Catholic candidates and elected officials, they look at changing demographics in Gen Z, and Heidi talks with Jeanne Lewis, CEO of Faith in Public Life, about the recent uptick in political violence Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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#2410 - The Season of Creation, Women Deacons, and an interview with Emily Reimer-Barry
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1:11:50Heidi, Daniel, and David explore the history and possibilities of women in the diaconate, look at the current Season of Creation in light of increasing environmental destruction, and Heidi interviews author and ethicist Emily Reimer-Barry Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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#2409 - Harris becomes the candidate, RNC and DNC conventions, and recent SCOTUS decisions
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1:20:38Heidi, Dan, and David kick off season 15 with a look back at summer politics - from the shakeup in the Democratic presidential ticket, to the Republican and Democratic conventions, and some earth-shaking Supreme Court decisions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Sandburg Media
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#2429 - Ethics for a Digital Age: Kate Ott [Rebroadcast]
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1:02:16Our guest Kate Ott discusses her recent book, Sex, Tech, & Faith, inviting readers into a realistic conversation about ethics in the 21st century Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Things Not Seen
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#2428 - Consent in the Garden: Timothy Morton
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1:12:45Our guest, Timothy Morton, argues that there is an unexpected yet profound relationship between religion and ecology that can guide a planet-scale response to the climate crisis. Spiritual and mystical feelings have a deep resonance with ecological thinking, and together they provide the resources environmentalism desperately needs in this time of …
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#2427 - Who Is a True Christian?: David W. Congdon
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1:00:33Our guest, David W. Congdon tells the story of how 20th-century American Christians have repeatedly sought and failed to define and defend a "pure" form of Christianity. We discuss his recent book, Who Is a True Christian?: Contesting Religious Identity in American Culture. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices…
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#2426 - Building Beloved Community: Jacob L. Goodson and Brad Elliott Stone [Rebroadcast]
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1:02:47We welcome back to the show philosophers Jacob Goodson and Brad Elliott Stone to talk about their recent book, co-authored with Pastor Philip Rudolph Kuehnert, Building Beloved Community in a Wounded World Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesBy Things Not Seen
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