How can we transition hundreds of millions of acres in the U.S. to regenerative agriculture? It’s all about the Economics. Finance underlies everything. We’re here to explore how a new era in farming is getting financed. We’ll explore everything from: * Producers financing their own transition * Emerging commodity markets * New lending and risk management products * How data can drive premiums for producers * Potential land value impacts of new resiliency and productivity metrics * Corporate ...
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S2:E3 – Inside the Opaque Market for Ag Ecosystem Assets with Dom Sutton-Vermeulen
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57:11This is one of the most exciting, detailed, and hopeful conversations we’ve had about the pace and structure of capital flowing to producers investing in soil health. It turns out that one of agriculture’s most opaque arenas—corporate supply chain investments in ecosystem assets—is becoming a major source of funding for soil health improvements. An…
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S2:E2 – Allen Williams: Why Net Profit — Not Yield — Should Be the Agronomist’s Job
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1:07:30What if everything we’ve been told about maximizing yield is leading us in the wrong direction? And if you’ve ever asked, “Where’s the premium?” or “Does changing on-farm practices mean a certainty of more risk in exchange for uncertain gain?” — this episode of The Business of Soil Health offers a counter-narrative from one of the most experienced …
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S2:E1 – Zach Ducheneaux: “We treat capital like hybrid seeds but expect perennial results”
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1:12:26We have a conversation with former FSA Administrator Zach Ducheneaux on courage, capital, and how he’s trying to rewrite the rules of ag finance. A multi-generational producer himself, Zach recently launched The Fifth C—a new lending venture challenging the short-termism baked into agricultural finance and offering a path toward long-term, relation…
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S2:E0 – Intro to a New Season and a New Co-Host
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6:49We’re back with a new season—and a new co-host. In this episode kicking off Season 2, Patrick Smith is joined by new co-host Sami Tellatin, co-founder of FarmRaise and a longtime advocate for financing solutions that support producers during their soil health transition. Sami shares her background, and then Patrick and Sami reflect on: Why the fina…
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S1:E6 - Jerel Kratt: Headwinds for Regenerative Ag in California
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41:55In this episode I talk with independent agronomist Jerel Kratt who works in the southern Central Valley of California. He unpacks why many have become skeptical of regenerative agriculture in California: 🌪️ Visible failures in early implementations of regen practices 📉 Market realities, from the almond market collapse to the lack of a premium for r…
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S1:E5 - Emma Fuller: No Need to Be Concessionary – Soil Health, Cashflow & Market-Rate Returns
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46:16In this conversation, Emma Fuller, co-founder of Fractal.ag, discusses their novel farmland investment model, which makes minority equity investments in farmland while incentivizing soil health practices. Fractal is the first widely available farmland equity product, unlocking capital for farmers while they maintain ownership and control. Emma talk…
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S1:E4 - Matt Nicoletti: The Methadone Clinic for Agriculture
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49:13In this episode, Patrick Smith interviews Matt Nicoletti, Director of Business Development at Penny Newman Grain—a California grain trader founded in 1878 that has grown into a global leader in bulk commodity logistics. We dive into how Penny Newman is both advancing soil health through innovative inputs, and working to transform their legacy busin…
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S1:E3 - Mitchell Hora: A New Scoreboard for Agriculture
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1:01:36Mitchell is a 7th-generation Iowa farmer and the Founder/CEO of Continuum Ag, a soil health data intelligence company. He’s one of the leading evangelists for scoring crops according to their Carbon Intensity as a measure of climate impact that’s strongly aligned with how producers operate. Mitchell shares his journey into regenerative agriculture,…
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S1:E2 - Matt Rohlik: Producer Compensation in Early Supply Chain Decarbonization Efforts
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50:15Matt Rohlik is the Managing Director of Sales and Strategic Partnerships at ARVA Intelligence. ARVA plays a key role in the “insetting market” – the market for ecosystem assets *inside* companies’ supply chains. This is a crucial tool for ag-dependent companies to decarbonize their supply chains, which make up a significant amount of their total em…
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S1:E1 - Maggie Monast: The Financial Pushes & Pulls for Stakeholders Across the Value Chain
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1:02:49We kick off the podcast with a fantastic overview of the interlocking pieces of the puzzle of financing soil health transition. We delve into how farmers, lenders, insurers, and companies across the ag value chain are adjusting to regenerative practices, and the systemic challenges they face in transitioning to climate-smart practices. Our Guest Ma…
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The official trailer for The Business of Soil Health podcast.By soilupside
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