There’s the official story. And then there’s the truth. The In Between is an investigative narrative podcast that digs into cases where the facts got buried, distorted, or deliberately ignored. Hosted by journalist and screenwriter Mel Barrett, each season unpacks one story that was never fully told, blending deep reporting, legal analysis, and raw personal narrative. Mel doesn’t just rehash headlines—she goes digging. She’s spent over a decade uncovering new evidence in the Pamela Smart cas ...
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69: Commonwealth plays games with Kelsey Fitzsimmons, Turtleboy drama, and a recap of the first three days of the Brian Walshe Trial.
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1:17:29Drama, drama, drama. Mel + Rebecca try to parse the latest Turtleboy drama, while the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is back on their bullshit with the Kelsey Fitzsimmons case, and Mel takes you on a journey through the bonkers first three days of the Brian Walshe Murder Trial. If you like us, tip us. http://www.venmo.com/melbarrettwrites Thank you!…
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68: LIVE FREE OR DIE: Pamela Smart Asks The State Of New Hampshire For A New Trial Based On New Evidence
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31:33It's been a long road, but we're finally here. Pamela Smart's attorneys are filing a petition of Habeus Corpus asking for a new trial or at the very least resentencing and they've given me access to the petition. I've been investigating Pam's case for going on a decade and some of the work I did on the first season of The In Between Podcast became …
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67: NEW UPDATES in the Pamela Smart Story - Dark Week Revisit
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27:55It’s been more than thirty years since Pamela Smart, a 22-year-old media coordinator from Derry, New Hampshire, was convicted of plotting her husband’s murder. But the story isn’t over. In fact, it’s entering a new chapter. Pamela’s legal team, led by attorney Matthew Zernhelt, has just filed a new habeas corpus petition — and some of the evidence …
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66: LISTEN to the new Karen Read Complaint against Proctor, Bukhenik, Tully, Higgins, and the McAlberts, read to you by Mel Barrett
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1:21:46If you're a listening learner, you'll hopefully get a lot out of listening to Mel read you the new Karen Read complaint. If you want to read along, here's the court filing: https://www.scribd.com/document/951000000/Karen-Read-Lawsuit#from_embed If you want to listen without ads, join The Investigator Club Thanks for listening. If you like Mel's wor…
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64: MEGA Something's Off Episode PART ONE - Karen Read sues...everyone! PLUS Brian Walshe pleads guilty + MORE
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59:27In PART ONE of this mega episode--which was too big to upload, so I'm releasing it in parts--Mel + Rebecca break down Brian Walshe pre-trial updates, Karen Read's civil suit against Proctor, Bukhenik, Tully and the McAlberts, Corri Hopkins gets the sidebahs, Deitch is running for Morrissey’s job, Gaitani helps out Turtleboy, and Depetro reaches out…
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65: MEGA Something's Off Episode PART TWO - Karen Read sues...everyone! PLUS Brian Walshe pleads guilty + MORE
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1:03:24In PART TWO of this mega episode--which was too big to upload, so I'm releasing it in parts--Mel + Rebecca break down Brian Walshe pre-trial updates, Karen Read's civil suit against Proctor, Bukhenik, Tully and the McAlberts, Corri Hopkins gets the sidebahs, Deitch is running for Morrissey’s job, Gaitani helps out Turtleboy, and Depetro reaches out…
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63: SOMETHING'S OFF with the final Brian Walshe pre-trial hearing (IT'S SPICY) and Turtleboy responds to the McAlbert's threats
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1:08:52Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 5.5 Mel + Rebecca break down the final pre-trial hearing before the Dec 1 trial begins for Brian Walshe. We're back in Norfolk County and so are some of the characters from the Karen Read case. It gets SPICY. AND Turtleboy responds to the Mcalberts threats. TIP JAR: https://tinyurl.com/Somet…
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62: EARLY + AD FREE Something's Off with Jesse Butler, more Proctor emails, the Epstein files, and Lindsay Gaetani brings the receipts!
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1:07:01TRIGGER WARNING: Sexual Assault and DV. Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 5 Mel + Rebecca break down the case of rapist, Jesse Butler, who received no jail time even though he almost killed one of his victims, PLUS more Proctor emails in the Marbury V Mad email dump, holy shit the Epstein Files, annnnd Lindsey Gaetani releas…
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61: Stillwater’s Shame: The Jesse Butler Case
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21:32Jesse Mack Butler was charged with raping and choking two girls at Stillwater High School. Eleven felonies. One girl thought she was going to die. And somehow—he walked. No jail. No detention. Just therapy, community service, and a ban on social media. In this episode, Mel breaks down exactly what he did, what the victims survived, and how the syst…
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60: Something's off with the Karen Read email dump and VERDICT WATCH in the Zwerner 1st grade shooter case
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53:47Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 4 Mel + Rebecca break down the MarburyVMad (Corri Hopkins) MSP email dump from the Karen Read Trial and Mel breaks down the civil case of the 1st grade shooter who shot his teacher, Abigail Zwerner. TIP JAR: https://tinyurl.com/SomethingsOffTips You can now join the channel! Click the join b…
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59: She Called for Help: The Killing of Sonya Massey
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22:21When 36-year-old Sonya Massey—a Black mother of two—called 911 for help during a mental health crisis, she needed compassion. Instead, she was shot in the face by a white sheriff’s deputy in her own kitchen. In this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett walks listeners through the events of July 6, 2024, the bodycam footage that shook a commu…
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58: EXTRA Something's Off w/the feds and Michael Proctor's messages and well...Jen McCabe's 911 call
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45:41Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode 3.5 Mel + Rebecca break down the preservation of Michael Proctor's messages and go on a deep dive into Samanthan Benigno's analysis of the 911 call Jen McCabe made at the scene of John O'Keefe's death. If you weren't already convinced the McCabes and Alberts had something to do with you, you…
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57: SOMETHING'S OFF with that Microdots video, Turtleboy and the Jurks, and Kelsey Fitzsimmons' case eps 3
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1:06:05Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode Three Mel + Rebecca get into allll the chaos surrounding Turtleboy and the other boys, updates on all things Karen Read adjacent, including Microdots, and we take a deep dive on the Kelsey Fitzsimmons case. TIP JAR: https://tinyurl.com/SomethingsOffTips Join the Investigator Club (The In Bet…
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On September 15, 2025, 21-year-old Trey Reed—a first-generation college student at Delta State University—was found hanging from a tree on campus. Within hours, his death was ruled a suicide. No investigation. No real answers. But Trey’s family knew something was wrong. And the deeper you look, the more disturbing the picture becomes: missing surve…
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55: SOMETHING'S OFF with Michael Proctor's iCloud, Turtleboy charges + old rumors about a body in the snow
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1:23:54Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie episode Two Mel + Rebecca get into allll the chaos surrounding Michael Proctor, the Fed document dump/hearings, who lied: Dever or Cox? and an old rumor that resurfaced this week about a person being hit by a plow on Fairview Road. TIP JAR: https://tinyurl.com/SomethingsOffTips Join the Investigator…
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54: CASE UPDATES: Ellen Greenburg, Michael Proctor, and Sam Nordquist
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15:08Mel returns to three deeply unsettling cases that continue to raise serious questions: Ellen Greenberg: A new city-commissioned review reaffirms suicide, despite 20+ stab wounds. Her family says the fight for justice is far from over. Michael Proctor: The former state trooper withdraws his appeal after disturbing personal texts dating back to 2013 …
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53: NEW SHOW: Something's Off with Mel Barrett + Rebecca Lavoie
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1:00:47Preview SOMETHING'S OFF here and join us in the Investigator Club to get early access to new episodes, or subscribe to the YouTube to watch Something's Off for FREE. In our first episode, Mel Barrett and Rebecca Lavoie dig into the discord in the Turtleboy/FKR communities and take a deeper dive into the upcoming Brian Walshe trial, which crosses ov…
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52: COMING FRIDAY OCTOBER 17TH - Something's Off with Mel Barrett and Rebecca Lavoie
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2:06Fridays starting October 2025. You know that feeling? When a case doesn’t add up, when the story feels off? That’s where Investigative Journalists and podcast hosts, Mel Barrett and Rebecca Lavoie, come in, breaking down the crimes, the trials, and the cover-ups that make you say: Something’s Off. ❤️ If you like our work, click the tip jar ❤️ 🚨 Her…
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51: Hiding in Plain Sight: The Murder of Leslie Preer
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31:30In May of 2001, 49-year-old Leslie Preer was found brutally murdered inside her Chevy Chase home. For years, suspicion shadowed her husband, Sandy, who failed a polygraph and couldn’t explain his movements the night before her death. But one piece of evidence—male DNA under Leslie’s fingernails—told a different story. Two decades later, a new gener…
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50: TRAILER: Something's Off with Mel Barrett and Rebecca Lavoie
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2:06Dropping Fridays starting October 2025. You know that feeling? When a case doesn’t add up, when the story feels off? That’s where Investigative Journalists and podcast hosts, Mel Barrett and Rebecca Lavoie, come in, breaking down the crimes, the trials, and the cover-ups that make you say: Something’s Off. ❤️ If you like our work, click the tip jar…
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49: A Savage Forest: The Megan Shaffer And Alex Stevens Case Part TWO
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48: A Savage Forest: The Megan Shaffer And Alex Stevens Case
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26:49On a freezing night in January 2017, 21-year-old Megan Shaffer and 24-year-old Alexander Stevens hiked deep into Savage River State Forest in Western Maryland. They carried candles, a knife, and even Alex’s pet cat—preparing for what Megan would later describe as a “cleansing ritual.” Hours later, Megan was rescued—naked, bruised, hypothermic—while…
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47: Suicide or Silence: The Murder of Sandra Birchmore
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24:27In February 2021, twenty-three-year-old Sandra Birchmore was found dead in her Canton, Massachusetts apartment. She was eight months pregnant. The official ruling: suicide by asphyxia. For years, that’s where the story stopped. But when the FBI uncovered more than thirty thousand missing messages between Sandra and Stoughton Police Officer Matthew …
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46: The Martyr Machine: Charlie Kirk and the Politics of Stochastic Terrorism
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32:01On September 10, 2025, Charlie Kirk was shot and killed on stage at Utah Valley University. The media asked, “How did we get here?” But the truth is—we already know. In this special episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett, breaks the mold of the series to trace the long road that led to Kirk’s assassination: Donald Trump’s decades of violent rh…
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45: Tying It All Together: The Ellen Greenberg Case Part Two
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15:23This week on The In Between Podcast, host Mel Barrett, revisits the aftermath of the night Ellen Greenberg was found with twenty stab wounds in her Philadelphia apartment—and the instant clash between an autopsy that pointed to homicide and a police narrative that leaned suicide. Through the “locked room” lens, Mel unpacks what the door latch could…
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44: Tying It All Together: The Ellen Greenberg Case
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26:00This week on The In Between Podcast, host Mel Barrett, revisits the night Ellen Greenberg was found with twenty stab wounds in her Philadelphia apartment—and the instant clash between an autopsy that pointed to homicide and a police narrative that leaned suicide. Through the “locked room” lens, Mel unpacks what the door latch could (and couldn’t) p…
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43: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story - The Sentence
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55:12In the final (for now) installment of From Victim to Accused, host Mel Barrett travels to Lebanon County Pennsylvania for Veronika Rodriguez' sentencing hearing. This is an in-depth discussion of what happened then and what's to come with fellow podcaster, Ellyn Marsh of the I Think Not! Podcast. The family is raising money for an appeal. If you fe…
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42: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story part five - Pier Hess Graf
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30:00In Episode five, host Mel Barrett, goes on a deep dive into the prosecutor in Veronika's case: Pier Hess Graf Pier Hess Graf didn’t just prosecute the alleged victim in this case, she went hard at Veronika Rodriguez, asking for up to 16 years in prison for reporting her own sexual assault. I wonder where that kind of resentment and unrelenting spit…
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41: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story Part Four - Fahad Pervez
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1:20:21In this episode of The In Between Podcast, Mel spends an hour discussing the alleged assault of Veronika Rodriguez with the man she accused...Fahad Pervez Please share. Veronika's sentencing happens on August 20, 2025 so sharing this episode helps get the word out about what really happened in her case. Back story: Veronika Rodriguez reported her r…
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40: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story Part Three - Investigating the Investigators
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42:42In this episode of The In Between Podcast, Mel goes on a deep dive into the investigation and even manages to score an interview with an elusive guest. Please share. Veronika's sentencing happens on August 20, 2025 so sharing this episode helps get the word out about what really happened in her case. Back story: Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape…
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39: DARK WEEK: Revisiting Live Free or Die: The Pamela Smart Story
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27:32This is a dark week for TIBP, as Mel is currently investigating the Veronika Rodriguez case which is very much a living, breathing story. A new episode about Veronika’s story will air next tuesday, August 5, 2025. Season One of TIBP, which re-investigates the Pamela Smart case, didn’t just revisit a high-profile trial—Mel's reporting uncovered new …
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38: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story - An Update
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8:18It's getting wild. Here's an update about the case. This one's important. Please listen, share, rate, review. Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape to police. She even had evidence to prove it happened. Still police didn't believe her and turned her from victim, to accused, to convicted. Mel hadn’t planned to make a several episode push about one su…
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37: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story, Part Two - Veronika
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36:21In part two of the Veronika Rodriguez Story, Mel digs into who Veronika is and how she got caught up in the fight for her life and liberty. Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape to police. She even had evidence to prove it happened. Still police didn't believe her and turned her from victim, to accused, to convicted. Mel hadn’t planned to make a sev…
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36: From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story
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29:21Host, Mel Barrett, is bringing you another case that will blow your mind. Veronika Rodriguez reported her rape to police. She even had evidence to prove it happened. Still police didn't believe her and turned her from victim, to accused, to convicted. Mel hadn’t planned to make a several episode push about one subject in between seasons, but this s…
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To email Pam your condolences, go to SecurusTech.net and add Pam as a contact. Here's her info: PAMELA SMART 93G0356 Bedford Hills Correctional Facility You'll have to pay for stamps, but it's a minimal cost. If you'd like to donate to Pam's legal fight, donate here: https://www.payit2.com/f/supportpamelasmart All the money raised goes to Pam's leg…
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34: Murder in Canton - The Retrial of Karen Read - The Finale
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26:12Join host, Mel Barrett, as she wraps up the Karen Read case, analyzes the post trial media, discusses what's next for the investigation and her own work on other cases. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_sou…
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33: SPECIAL DROP - The Readathon NOT GUILTY
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46:01Rebecca + Kevin from Crime Writers On and your host, Mel break down what happened on the final day of the Karen Read retrial - including a wild thing that happened in a parking lot in Dedham.By The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
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31: Murder in Canton - Week Eight of the Retrial of Karen Read - CLOSING ARGUMENTS
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19:17Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week eight. The defense rests. Shockingly the Commonwealth doesn't offer a rebuttal and closing arguments keep us riveted before the jury gets the case. We'll have a verdict any day now. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus cont…
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30: **INTRODUCING: Crime Seen #Cybersleuths: The Idaho Murders
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1:09:47In this special episode drop, host Mel Barrett introduces Crime Seen, a true crime review podcast that gets to the heart of how true crime stories are told with hosts Mari Forth & Sarah Carradine. Mel was a recent guest on the show and discussed the Pamela Smart case in some depth as well as the true crime documentary, #Cybersleuths: The Idaho Murd…
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29: Murder in Canton - Week Seven of the Retrial of Karen Read
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17:57Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week seven. The defense is well into their case while one cop loses her mind and another switches sides. Also those gross texts from Michael Proctor make another appearance. Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In…
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28: CALL-TO-ACTION Pamela Smart name-dropped in the NH House of Representatives
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5:11The state of New Hampshire keeps doing what they've done for 35 years...hating on Pamela Smart. Want to start changing minds? Link to NH Bulletin Article: https://newhampshirebulletin.com/2025/06/05/republicans-pass-parental-rights-bills-as-democrats-allege-children-will-be-harmed/ Link to Rep DeSimone's NH Rep page: https://gc.nh.gov/house/members…
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27: Murder in Canton - Week Six of the Retrial of Karen Read
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34:32Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week six and as you might expect from the Commonwealth...they introduce another tedious witness, their last, Dr. Judson Welcher. And the Commonwealth rests! Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Re…
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26: **BONUS** UPDATE ON PAMELA SMART'S PETITION FOR COMMUTATION
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23:25Governor Kelly Ayotte and the state of New Hampshire have again rejected Pamela Smart's petition for commutation, but this time...they didn't even give her a hearing. Hear Pam's reaction in this episode. PAYIT2 Legal Fund: https://www.payit2.com/f/supportpamelasmart Join the club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In…
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25: Murder in Canton - Week Five of the Retrial of Karen Read
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12:17Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week five, a short week for time, but not drama. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new trial. This will be a regular thing throughout the trial so join the convers…
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24: **BONUS** EXONERATION Samantha and Jules Werkheiser's Story
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1:10:47On this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett has an unfiltered and emotional discussion with Samantha and Jules Werkheiser, two women incarcerated with Pamela Smart, who were wrongfully convicted of child sexual assault. Their story is a cautionary tale and they're using their time as exonerated women to make a difference in our legal system…
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23: Murder in Canton - Week Four Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
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30:01Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week four and it's drama filled, even though witnesses and evidence are pretty technical and dry. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new trial. This will be a regul…
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**UPDATE** Karen Read Retrial Recap Late Release
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0:38Hey y'all, it's your host, Mel Barrett with a programming note. Week four of Murder in Canton The Retrial of Karen Read will drop tomorrow before 12p est. Sorry for the delay, but I'm coming at you with two episodes this week. Can't wait to share. Thanks for your patience!By The In Between Podcast with Mel Barrett
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22: Murder in Canton - Week Three Recap of the Retrial of Karen Read
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26:04Join host Mel Barrett as she breaks down the goings on in the retrial of Karen Read. This is week three and it's all about the investigation with two days focused on Massachusetts State Police Sergeant Yuri Bukhenik. Subscribe for updates about the second trial and catch Mel on Crime Writers On The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie to discuss the new t…
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**BONUS** The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie from Crime Writers ON
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52:00Listen to your host, Mel Barrett on The Readathon with Rebecca Lavoie from Crime Writers On! Mel will be joining Rebecca Lavoie and sometimes Kevin Flynn from Crime Writers On on their hit show, The Readathon, where they will discuss the daily goings on in the Retrial of Karen Read. Rebecca’s been covering this case for a long time and they’ve got …
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