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Narrative Podcast

Tim Croll and Steve Gohl

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A new community where real stories matter. We are looking to encourage people to know, share, and live their best narrative. These stories shape our journey and inspire us to live out our best stories. Because real stories matter.
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Steve “Moby” Leitch was a swimmer before he was a Moby, a man before a ministry leader, and a wanderer long before he ever became rooted. Born into the world of evangelical Christianity—his father preaching alongside giants like Billy Graham—Steve grew up in the polished halls of faith, where sin was unspoken and perfection expected. But he found m…
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Ryan Woodruff grew up a quiet and shy boy, shaped by constant moves and a fractured home. With no father figure and a mother working multiple jobs, Ryan built his identity on survival and self-isolation. A sense of direction came from the film Full Metal Jacket, which introduced him to the idea of brotherhood in the military. He joined the Marine C…
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Jonathan Heaslet has been many things over the years. An economics & mathematics major, military, minister, healthcare executive, and more. Jonathan never planned on taking the long way around, but life has a funny way of handing you detours. He spent years chasing certainty, believing that success was a straight line—only to find that some of his …
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In this episode, we dive into the journey of Tim Croll, a husband, father of three, and proud grandfather. Tim shares his evolution from a faith rooted in fear to a deeper understanding of God’s unconditional love. He reflects on the personal development lessons he’s learned from both entrepreneurial successes and failures, and the pivotal role men…
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In the glamorous world of high-powered executives, Kellan Fluckiger seemed to have it all – wealth, success, and influence. But beneath the Armani suits and corporate victories lay a man drowning in cocaine addiction, failed marriages, and a desperate need to prove his worth to a mother whose harsh discipline had left deep emotional scars. For deca…
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In this episode, we’re joined by Zach Garza, the Founder and Executive Director of You Can Mentor and the Co-Founder of Ten Thousand Fathers. Zach’s journey from being mentored to mentoring others is a powerful story of transformation, faith, and purpose. From his own life-changing experiences with mentors like Bob and Steve Allen, to founding orga…
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Chris Bolinger grew up in a high-achieving family with three accomplished older sisters and parents who modeled excellence in everything they did. As the youngest and only boy, he was somewhat spoiled but also inherited the family's drive for achievement and discipline. While this upbringing instilled many positive traits, it also led to two signif…
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Growing up in Michigan, Scott's early life was marked by dramatic changes. His family went from financial stability, with his father running a successful chiropractic practice, to severe hardship after a failed business relocation. Between ages 8 and 18, Scott lived in 13 different houses, including a period in a tent, and his family relied on thei…
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In this episode of Spiritual Fathers, Kent shares the inspiring journey behind his ministry, Manhood Journey, which began as an effort to engage fathers in discipleship within his church community. Drawing from his personal story and advice he received as a teen navigating his parents’ divorce, Kent emphasizes the transformative power of surroundin…
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Growing up poor in backwoods Kentucky, Chris "Harp" Harper lived between two destructive narratives: believing he could become entirely self-sufficient and feeling utterly worthless. After losing his brother to a drug overdose and his mother to cancer, with an alcoholic father in the background, he became determined to overcome his circumstances th…
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From a young age, Star was plagued by a deep-seated belief that no matter how hard she tried, she would never get what she wanted in life. This stemmed from heartbreaking experiences with her father, who would make promises to her but then fail to follow through. When Star was 10, she asked her father for a bike, but after months of waiting, the bi…
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From an early age, Mike Hatch learned to believe he was unworthy of having his needs met. Growing up in a tumultuous Christian household, he witnessed his parents' marriage fall apart, culminating in a pivotal moment when he and his brother had to call 911 during one of their fights. This experience led teenage Mike to conclude he was entirely on h…
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When Clint Hatton was 12, his world crumbled as his father's affair tore apart their seemingly normal Southern California family. His mother's subsequent suicide attempts and a failed family relocation to Montana left young Clint with a deep-seated belief: he was completely alone in life. This false narrative drove him into drugs and alcohol by his…
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In this episode, Tim and Steve reflect on the past few months of Narrative and discuss the influences that weigh on us in a false narrative. We know instinctively that everyone wants to own and be the author of their own story, but not too many people feel like they have that control with the different factors that are going on in our world. Connec…
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Garry VonMyhr, a Michigan-based serial entrepreneur and father of four, never saw himself as having an alcohol problem. Like many, he viewed drinking as a normal part of social life and business networking. But as the COVID-19 pandemic dragged on, Garry found himself questioning this ingrained habit. "I started feeling sluggish and less present wit…
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Raised in a conservative Christian homeschool environment, Greg's journey led him from the cornfields of Missouri to the bustling streets of New York City and the rigorous world of the Coast Guard. Greg's foundation is built on his Christian faith, but his experiences taught him to question and refine his beliefs without abandoning his core values.…
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Born with nerve damage on the right side of his body, Jake Fedida faced a world that wasn't designed for him. As a child, he hid behind his mother's leg, ashamed of his differences. But a chance encounter with his hero, Derek Jeter, changed everything. On August 6, 2003, ten-year-old Jake met the Yankees legend. To his surprise, Jeter thought Jake'…
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How can the church community create relationships between the older dads, and those still raising young children? What is it that men in the church are seeking within fellowship? Roger Bodenstab is the lead pastor at Crescent City Foursquare Church, the Church he grew up in, in North California. He is a men's advocate and nonprofit leader for the o…
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Have you experienced the transformative power of mentorship and spiritual fathering? In this conversation, Ryan Reeves opens up about his journey from a rebellious youth to an engaged spiritual mentor. He shares the challenges he faced in finding meaningful mentorship and how this lack of guidance in his personal life motivated him to demystify the…
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How can we educate and equip men with the mature Christian faith to engage and develop a spiritual life with younger men in today’s culture? Why are men’s ministries failing? How do we create mentorship between older and younger dads, in different seasons of their spiritual lives? Since 2010, Todd has been leading a discipleship movement of men, fi…
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Why are rites of passage so important to young men? How can it help fathers and sons develop deeper connections? Tim Strickland is the Executive Director of “Christ in the Smokies,” a Rite of Passage retreat ministry for young men. In this conversation, Tim shares how he became passionate about the next generation, why rites of passage are importan…
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"If the creator of the universe knows everything you're ever going to do and everything you ever might do. If you're so bad, why would he make you? Obviously, it's a rhetorical question, because, he wouldn't." - Mike Stapleton Mike had a pretty rough childhood, dealing with sexual abuse and later his parents' separation, which left him feeling a co…
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"There's something about real community. If you have real community and real friends and allies and people that understand and want to understand your story and what your life's about, that's huge." - Steve Gohl Life is not perfect for anyone. It may seem as though someone you know has it all but I promise you they too have faced hard times. What d…
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"You won't profit unless you implement. And if you take the word profit out and you want to put in the word success, you won't have success unless you implement." - Vance Morris "You're going to college" said Vance Morri's parents and he didn't question it. That's what you were "supposed to do right?" Go to college, get a job, and eventually retire…
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"It's not something that I can change from my past, and I wouldn't change my past. My past has gotten me to where I'm at today." - Jen Pointer Growing up, Jen Pointer's identity was shaped by a false narrative that she had to conform to societal expectations and define herself through external achievements. She felt the pressure to follow a traditi…
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Rev. Chuck Stecker is the Executive Director and Founder of A Chosen Generation. He’s an ordained minister of the Gospel with the Evangelical Church Alliance and has earned a Doctorate of Ministry specializing in Christian Leadership. And he is passionate about making sure the encore generation realizes the impact they can still have. In today’s co…
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"Be the encourager for everybody. That you want for yourself." - Vinnie Fisher Vinnie Fisher has a captivating journey from a childhood marked by poverty and dysfunction to becoming a successful entrepreneur and mentor. Vinnie shared how he initially believed the false narrative that "I need to escape my family"due to his circumstances, define his …
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"Everybody has a story to tell regardless of what they look like, regardless of where they come from." - Mike Thomas Mike Thomas, a man whose journey from an emotional childhood to a purpose-driven adulthood always placed him in a position to fight for the underdog. Raised in a challenging environment, Mike's older brother, Bub, was born with Apert…
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"What does God say about me? And what God says about me is that because of Christ and what he did for me, I am good enough." - Warren Mainard Warren had an abundance of confidence that he could do anything. But when Warren's kindergarten teacher identified Warren Mainard as having dyslexia, he was forced to repeat Kindergarten. The message Warren t…
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"My true purpose, my true mission in life, is masculinity, marriage, and mindset." - Matt Clark Matt Clark shares his childhood struggles with imposter syndrome in baseball, shaped by a false narrative that he didn't measure up. Growing up Matt grappled with feelings of inadequacy which is common today due to societal pressures and the impact of so…
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Jeremy Schurke is the Director of Mirror Labs. We launched the Spiritual Fathers initiative because of the research he’s done. In this episode of Spiritual Fathers, Jeremy touches on some of that research to drive home the point that we need more Spiritual Fathers. And it doesn’t have to be a difficult decision. All you need is experience, a willin…
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"It's who I know that gets me in the door, and it's what I know that keeps me there." - Neil Twa Neil Twa shares how a false narrative of a scarcity mindset, around money, shaped his perspective on life from a young age. He saw other's with money so he just had to figure out how he could get some too. Discover how his early experiences of getting o…
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Gerry Wilson was an only child. She watched her father work 12 hour days. She saw her parents sacrifice to provide an idyllic childhood. Somehow she learned that she needed to be a good girl which meant being perfect and she didn't want to let her parents down! Gerry grew up and got married. Eveything seemed in place until her fairy-tale marriage t…
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I knew Kathy Izard's episode was worthy of revisiting. We discussed the powerful theme of "My Work Is My Identity." Kathy's early years were dominated by a high-achieving, picture-perfect family facade in Texas, where ambitions were high, and family struggles were kept behind closed doors. Discover how these early experiences forged a false narrati…
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I sat down with Gery Deer, diving into the early narratives that shaped him from a young age. Growing up surrounded by specific societal and familial expectations, Gery discusses how these early influences scripted his life in ways he didn’t initially see. Ever wonder how much of your life is shaped by what you're told you should do versus what you…
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JC Chanowsky's early years were filled with traditional Sunday dinners at his Italian Grandparent's house until upheaval struck, leaving him feeling unanchored and prone to bullying. How did a young JC navigate the chaos of constant moves and a family split? Tune in to discover the adversity that influenced his formative years. As his personal life…
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John Woodall became a Christian when he was 14. He and his family were living a great life in London, England. John had planned to follow in his father’s footsteps and return to the States to attend business school. But after a deep conversation with his dad, John enrolled in a Bible college in Florida. He was so blown away by what he’d learned tha…
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"If I do everything right, life will turn out well", this is the mentality that turned Josh into a bit of a people pleaser. Being a people pleaser is how he ended up in an unhealthy marriage. And in business, because Josh could figure things out, he noticed the expectations of him at work entailed more than just his job description. And guess what?…
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Have you ever witnessed a child rebelling against their parent? Like, the more the parent says "This is the right way", the more the child continues to try to do it their way? That's kind of how Geoff Wollerman was growing up. He got the message early that you get married and find a job and that is how to find success in life. He rejected this ideo…
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When Tammy thinks back to her upbringing all she can do is offer empathy for her father. Her biological father made some very bad choices. But did that make him a bad man a bad person? Tammy knows how his parents were and understand how they shaped who he was. You have got to hear about her upbringing and things she can remember from a very early a…
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Why Spiritual Fathers? Ep #1 There’s been a rapid rise of people who claim to have no religious affiliation. 3 out of 10 Americans call themselves religious “nones.” They’re atheist or agnostic. Church attendance has declined. Only 58% of Boomers, 50% of GenX, and 35% of Millennials belong to a church. The numbers keep declining. So how do we reach…
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Growing up somehow Susun Finn understood that she needed to be the smartest person in the room but because she was a female, it was important not to outshine the boys. Susan got pretty smart and worked as a food scientist at a Dairy Farm. Susan ended up leaving that job to take care of her 4 children and the others who had adopted their family. Unf…
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Why narratives? Because every story matters. You know, so many people ask, "Is this a Christian podcast?" This is not the focus but what we know about personal development is that it usually includes an aspect of Spiritual, Mental, Physical, and Social growth. Some stories have a strong message from one of those areas, religion may just be easier t…
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Melissa Van Oss, watched her grandparents as she grew up, they represented the perfect couple. They complimented each other and one was never far from the other. Their example of a life long relationship became Melissa guiding light for her life. However, when she looked to her parents for that same example she saw divorce. She shared how she proce…
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Tyler Schmoll, self-proclaimed "gap filler" and human version of Curious George got vulnerable about how those personality characteristics ultimately made him close his business. Tyler had gotten good at filling the gaps, doing those things others didn't want to do. Or when things went arye, he was "Johnny On the Spot" willing to help in any way, s…
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Rob Hohmann's dad did a good job protecting his family and country, and Rob was watching. He too wanted to be a protector. He fell in love, got married, and before the year was up found himself getting a divorce. He felt like he'd gone from hero to zero. But like a true hero, he didn't give up on life and love. He learned the lesson of "What may se…
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When you grow up in abuse, neglect, and abandonment, it's easy to draw the conclusion Keegan Schaefer did. Keegan shared just a few of the injustices he suffered, as little as 2 years old. When he was 12 years old he weighed the pros and cons of continuing his Ritalin medication. It was one of the best decisions Keegan has made in his life. Keegan …
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How do you turn into a nice guy? Adam Troy grew up bigger than the other kids his age so his mom warned him not to get upset and react physically because he could hurt them. After a traumatic evening of simply wanting mac and cheese, he got what he wanted but then his house blew up with arguing and emotions. Throughout life, Adam put others first s…
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One would think that growing up with two deaf parents was not fair. Betty Galligan, our guest today, never picked up on that attitude from her parents and never experienced it herself. Betty and her siblings didn't know there was anything wrong with their parents until the rest of the world pointed it out. Her large extended family focused on what …
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