Welcome to The Unusual Finance Chat, your go-to podcast for unpacking South Africa’s insurance industry and broader financial landscape. Hosted by veteran journalist Tinus de Jager and insurance expert Jacques de Villiers, we make sense of complex financial topics and bring you practical insights to navigate your financial journey. Each week, we dive into: Hot topics in insurance and finance Expert interviews with industry leaders Practical Q&As tackling listener questions Stock market updat ...
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Rivonia Govender: Leading GrowthHouse into a Bold New Chapter
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12:00Send us a text She’s worked with industry leaders, shaped strategy at top institutions, and now Rivonia Govender is charting a new course as CEO of GrowthHouse – a 99% black female-owned independent brokerage empowering financial advisers across South Africa. In this episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, Tinus de Jager speaks with Rivonia about her …
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Tariffs, Tensions & Tactics: How U.S. Trade Moves Impact Your Investment Portfolio – with Liam Dawson
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18:23Send us a text This week on The Unusual Finance Chat, we unpack the ripple effects of rising U.S. tariffs on global and local investment strategies. Liam Dawson, Investment Analyst and Portfolio Manager at PortfolioMetrix, joins Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers to explain how these trade tensions shape portfolio construction, where the risks …
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Flooding Tests South Africa’s Insurance Sector, Customer Satisfaction Index Launch, and Stock Picks
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25:51Send us a text In this week’s episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, Tinus de Jager looks at the severe flooding impacting KwaZulu-Natal and Limpopo and what it means for infrastructure, agriculture, and the insurance industry. We also hear from Professor Adré Schreuder of the University of Pretoria about a new index measuring customer satisfaction i…
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The Unusual Finance Chat: Scams, Stocks & Billion-Dollar Moves
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21:46Send us a text In this episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, Tinus de Jager unpacks the latest in finance, insurance, and investment. We continue our conversation with Lyndwill Clarke from the FSCA on how to spot and avoid financial scams, take a deep dive into the history of actuarial tables, and review the performance of our stock picks. Plus, we …
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The Unusual Finance Chat: Budget, refugees and Financial Literacy with Lyndwill Clarke of the FSCA
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21:52Send us a text Welcome to The Unusual Finance Chat! Hosted by Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers, your go-to source for finance insights with a twist. In today’s episode, we’re diving deep into financial literacy’s role in fighting corruption and crime with Lyndwill Clarke, Head of Consumer Education at the FSCA. We’ll also touch on the latest …
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The Unusual Finance Chat: NHI Changes, California’s Insurance Crisis & Douw Steyn’s Legacy
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33:49Send us a text Welcome to The Unusual Finance Chat, your weekly guide to finance, insurance, and investment. I’m Tinus de Jager, joined by Jacques de Villiers. In today’s episode, we unpack key developments in the financial world, including crucial changes to South Africa’s National Health Insurance plan, the rising strain on California’s insurance…
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Alien Abductions and Decreasing Premiums: Gideon Galloway on Revolutionizing Insurance
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28:22Send us a text Welcome to the first episode of The Unusual Finance Chat for 2025! This week, host Tinus de Jager dives into the latest developments shaping the insurance and financial industries. We kick off the year on a sobering note, with the devastating wildfires in California causing an estimated $40 billion in insured losses, marking the larg…
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We speak to the CEO of the Metropolitan Group, Jeanette Marais
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39:48Send us a text In this special final episode of The Unusual Finance Chat for the year, we sit down with Jeanette Marais, CEO of Momentum Group and the first female CEO of a large, listed life insurance and asset management group in South Africa. Jeanette shares her incredible career journey, insights on leadership, strategies driving Momentum's suc…
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Look at your contract and watch out for the unscrupulous over the festive season. We speak to Reana Steyn, the insurance ombud
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39:15Send us a text In this episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers unpack the latest developments in the world of insurance, both at home and abroad. We explore the case of a UK motorist who faced a six-figure repair bill after his insurance claim was denied—because of an undeclared tow bar. This sparks a discussion …
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Sanlam and Santam buy into Multichoice's insurance business and we speak to Christiaan Marais of MiWay Insurance
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32:08Send us a text 🎙️ Join veteran journalist Tinus de Jager and insurance expert Jacques de Villiers for another episode of The Unusual Finance Chat! This week, we explore the latest developments shaking up the financial and insurance industries, from groundbreaking moves by Sanlam and Santam in micro-insurance to the rising challenges of "nuclear" co…
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Sanlam and Ninety1, a small rate cut and Nic Smit of Bidvest Life talks about getting the youth insured
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35:20Send us a text In this episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers delve into the world of strategy and growth with Nic Smit from Bidvest, exploring how the company tackles the challenges of today’s complex market. We also uncover the fascinating history of the insurance industry and touch on the dismal rate cut that…
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Ensure a better life for your children with insurance says Luke Nel from Metropolitan
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32:36Send us a text In this episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, hosted by Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers, we explore the critical role of life and funeral cover in safeguarding your family's financial future. As the festive season approaches and road accident risks rise, we sit down with Luke Nel, Head of Protection Solutions at Metropolitan, t…
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Protecting Your Home in Unpredictable Weather, Insurance Fraud in SA. Featuring Karen Rimmer of PSG Insure
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31:37Send us a text In this episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, hosted by Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers, we explore key topics in the world of insurance and finance. First, we sit down with Karen Rimmer of PSG Insure to discuss how homeowners can keep their properties safe and insured during increasingly unpredictable weather patterns. We also…
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Insurance for Agriculture, SME Finance Tips & UK Entertainment Insights – Featuring Theo Potgieter and Luncedo Mtwentwe
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44:09Send us a text Welcome to another episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, hosted by veteran journalist Tinus de Jager and insurance expert Jacques de Villiers. This week, we're diving deep into the world of insurance with special insights on agriculture from Theo Potgieter, Director of Insurance at Afgri. We also have a conversation with Luncedo Mtwen…
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AI in Insurance, Two-Pot Retirement System with Kobus Kleyn, and the Latest Stock Picks: The Unusual Finance Chat with Tinus de Jager & Jacques de Villiers
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37:05Send us a text Welcome to The Unusual Finance Chat, your go-to podcast for everything insurance and finance in South Africa, hosted by veteran journalist Tinus de Jager and insurance expert Jacques de Villiers. In this week’s episode, we have an insightful interview with Kobus Kleyn, breaking down the two-pot retirement system and what it means for…
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Is the Insurance Industry Doomed? And we talk to Martlé Keyter of MISA.
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37:07Send us a text In this week’s episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers tackle a pressing question: is the insurance industry doomed? We break down the challenges facing the sector and its future prospects. The episode also covers highlights from the U.S. reporting season, and features an insightful conversation wi…
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Sanlam buys Assupol and we talk to Pieter Albertyn of Momentum about the two-pot system
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38:55Send us a text In this episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, co-hosts Jacques de Villiers and Tinus de Jager sit down with Pieter Albertyn from Momentum to explore key trends in the insurance industry in South Africa, including the two-pot pension system. Tinus takes a look at the latest stock picks, while Jacques brings us the highlights from Londo…
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Old Mutual to pay a fine, it's all happening with Insurebot and we make a stockpick!
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28:21Send us a text "The Unusual Finance Chat," hosted by seasoned journalist Tinus de Jager and insurance expert Jacques de Villiers. Every week, we break down the latest trends in finance, insurance, and investment with a fresh, approachable style. From stock market updates to practical advice on managing your money, we’ve got you covered. Each episod…
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Momentum results, two pot withdrawals and we speak to HB Klopper of the DaVinci Institute
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43:07Send us a text In this week’s episode of The Unusual Finance Chat, your hosts, Tinus de Jager and Jacques de Villiers, dive into the latest financial news and trends. We discuss the recent interest rate cuts in South Africa and the USA, unpack what they mean for inflation, and explore Momentum Metropolitan's impressive earnings results. Plus, we co…
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Inflation, interest rates and Tobias Doyer from GrainSA talks to us
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47:36Send us a text 🎙️ Welcome to The Unusual Finance Chat! 🎙️ Hosted by seasoned journalist Tinus de Jager and insurance expert Jacques de Villiers, we bring you financial insights with a twist. In this episode, we sit down with Tobias Doyer of GrainSA to dig into the future of agriculture and its evolving insurance needs. Plus, you’ll hear from our st…
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