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"This Won't Last" with Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg

Turpentine, Keith Rabois, Logan Bartlett, Zach Weinberg, Kevin Ryan

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Sit in on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel where they unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics. This Won't Last is part of the Turpentine podcast network. Learn more: www.turpentine.co
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The Logan Bartlett Show

by Redpoint Ventures

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Startups grow faster and avoid costly mistakes when they learn from those who came before them. In each episode, we sit down with the people behind today’s most important startups and extract the tactics, lessons, and frameworks they’ve learned the hard way. Conversations span hiring to GTM, product, growth, fundraising and everything in between - collectively forming the ultimate playbook to make you a better CEO, investor or board member. Tap follow and enable notifications to stay ahead o ...
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Hosted by a General Partner (GP) and a Limited Partner (LP), Origins dives into the venture capital ecosystem to learn how the people behind the money make decisions: How LPs choose VC funds to invest in, what drives performance in venture, the dos and don'ts of fundraising, what founders/entrepreneurs/CEOs need to do to raise a Seed, Series A and beyond, what it takes to go from emerging manager to franchise VC, and the latest private market trends and dynamics shaping the investment ecosys ...
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Rolling Stone Music Now

Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network

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Inside the biggest stories in music, hosted by Rolling Stone senior writer Brian Hiatt. Featuring interviews with top artists, expert insight on new releases and breaking news from the Rolling Stone staff, and much more.
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Zach Weinberg, co-founder and CEO of Curie.Bio, is redefining early-stage biotech investing with an operator’s mindset and a founder-first philosophy. His approach combines funding with operational support and direct access to world-class drug hunters to dramatically increase odds of success. Today, Zach sits down with Nick Chirls, GP at Asylum Ven…
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Joe Hudson is the founder of The Art of Accomplishment and has worked with many top leaders in Silicon Valley, including Sam Altman and executives from Apple, Google, the NBA, and more. He coaches the research and compute teams at OpenAI and works with all the major AI companies. With a background in international stock lending and venture capital,…
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Origins hosts Nick Chirls, GP at Asylum Ventures and Beezer Clarkson, LP at Sapphire Partners and co-founder of OpenLP, unpack their conversation with Zach Weinberg, Co-Founder and CEO of Curie.Bio. They discuss the “innovation energy” that drives new breakthroughs and take a closer look at Sapphire’s approach to biotech investing. Learn more about…
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Chris Degnan is one of the most legendary CROs of this generation. He joined Snowflake as employee #13 and the 1st sales hire. He scaled the sales org from 0 to over $3B in ARR, spanned four CEOs, and retired as CRO after 11 years. In his first podcast post-retirement, Chris opened his CRO playbook, from early enablement to hiring rigor and fending…
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Zara Larsson talks about her fierce ambition ("I want to be the number one!"), the creation of her upcoming new album Midnight Sun, the TikTok success of "Symphony," and much more in an interview with host Brian Hiatt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesBy Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network
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Logan sits down with Bipul Sinha, CEO and co-founder of Rubrik and former VC at Lightspeed and Blumberg Capital. Bipul shares what he learned transitioning from investor to founder, why intuition beats expertise, and how he built Rubrik into a category-defining business by betting on uncool ideas. They talk product-market fit in the AI era, what mo…
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Taylor Swift got her masters back — we break down her strategic victory, the best vault tracks, speculation about her next album, her revelations about Reputation and her debut, and much more, with Brittany Spanos and Rob Sheffield joining host Brian Hiatt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices…
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Tall Tales, Thom Yorke's new album with veteran electronic producer Mark Pritchard, is one of the best albums of the year so far. Pritchard sits down with host Brian Hiatt to go deep on taking a prog-tronic journey with Radiohead's frontman. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices…
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Rick Smith (CEO, Axon) joined Logan to share the 30-year journey of building a nearly $50B public company behind the TASER, police body cameras, and now AI-powered tools like Draft One. He talks about taking Axon public in the early 2000s, navigating intense public scrutiny, and evolving from a controversial hardware startup into a software and AI …
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Why is President Trump calling for investigations into the world's biggest music stars? We look into a very weird battle, with Andy Greene joining host Brian Hiatt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesBy Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network
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Logan sits down with Jeffrey Katzenberg, Hollywood legend and co-founder of DreamWorks, and Sujay Jaswa, former CFO of Dropbox - together, the duo behind WndrCo. They talk about building enduring companies, bridging tech and media, and what makes a great CEO partnership. The conversation also touches on storytelling as a business superpower and les…
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Origins hosts Nick Chirls, GP at Asylum Ventures and Beezer Clarkson, LP at Sapphire Partners and co-founder of OpenLP, unpack their conversation with Theory Ventures’ Tomasz Tunguz, discussing how strategies that once set firms apart – like pre-seed or founder-centric investing – become industry standards over time. They dive deep on counter-posit…
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In this episode, Logan is joined by Zach Weinberg (Co-Founder/CEO @ Curie.Bio) and Derek Thompson (writer at The Atlantic) for a candid discussion on the state of U.S. healthcare and scientific progress. They unpack what went right, and wrong, with COVID vaccine policy, the public backlash against mRNA technology, and the ripple effects on trust in…
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Rising R&B/pop singer (and actress) Coco Jones goes deep on child stardom via Disney; her controversial Britney Spears sample; learning from Aretha, Mariah, and Whitney; the journey to her great debut album; and much more in an interview with host Brian Hiatt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices…
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Yotam Segev is the co-founder and CEO of Cyera, one of the fastest-growing cybersecurity startups in the world. In this episode, he joins Logan to talk about scaling Cyera from 100 to 550 employees in under two years, what it takes to operate at that speed, and why going slow can actually be riskier. They cover lessons from a tough go-to-market yea…
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This is the fourth episode of This Won’t Last. The show is a monthly conversation between Logan Bartlett of Redpoint, Keith Rabois at Khosla Ventures, Kevin Ryan at Alleycorp, and Zach Weinberg at Operator Partners. This episode covers tech’s relationship with DC, entitlement spending, auto tariffs, the future of American politics, and more. This W…
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Acts from Soundgarden to the White Stripes to Chubby Checker will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year — but there were also some eyebrow-raising exclusions. Rolling Stone's Andy Greene joins host Brian Hiatt to try to get inside the heads of voters — and propose some possible solutions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit …
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Tomasz Tunguz, Founder of Theory Ventures, is widely recognized for his analytical approach to venture investing. Now, he’s building Theory with a philosophy rooted in research and data-driven decision-making. Tomasz sits down with Nick Chirls, General Partner at Asylum Ventures and Beezer Clarkson, LP at Sapphire Partners and co-founder of OpenLP,…
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Ben Lamm, founder and CEO of Colossal Biosciences, joined the show to talk about the science (and business) of bringing extinct species back to life. Backed by top scientists and investors, Colossal is using advanced gene editing and synthetic biology to recreate animals like the woolly mammoth and dire wolf. Ben walks us through the technology, et…
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Jeff Goldblum isn't just a great actor — he's a gifted jazz piano player, too. In a wildly entertaining interview with host Brian Hiatt, Goldbum talks about his new album, Still Blooming, his hopes for the sequel Wicked : For Good, how he got Ariana Grande to sing with him, and much more Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/ad…
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Blake Scholl, founder and CEO of Boom Supersonic, is leading the boldest effort in decades to bring back commercial supersonic flight—this time with product-market fit. We talk about what went wrong with the world’s first try at supersonic commercial aircraft (launched in the 70s), why Boeing hasn’t introduced a new plane in over a decade, and how …
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Origins host Beezer Clarkson sits down with her colleague Nate Leung, fellow LP and Partner at Sapphire Partners, to riff on her recent conversation with Nina Achadjian, Partner at Index Ventures. Together, Beezer and Nate walk through the steps Index took to become a franchise - the decisions they made and the mistakes they avoided, plus the firm’…
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College sports are going through massive changes—from athlete pay drama to superconference realignment and transfer portal chaos, not to mention the giant class action lawsuit playing out now. Matt Brown, the publisher behind Extra Points and one of the top experts on the business of college athletics, joined the show to break it all down. We walke…
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Spin Doctors have their first album out in 12 years, Face Full of Cake — and it's quite good. Lead singer Chris Barron joins host Brian Hiatt to go deep on the band's Nineties triumphs and mistakes, why he doesn't envy Phish, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices…
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In this episode, Derek Thompson (Writer, The Atlantic) delves into the tumultuous nature of Trump’s trade policies, especially regarding tariffs, and how they impact American manufacturing and global markets. They discuss the constant changes in policy, the resulting uncertainty for industries like automotive and aerospace, and the mismatch between…
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Debate between Keith Rabois and Zach Weinberg on what tariffs are actually trying to accomplish. One core theme: Tariffs aren’t fully about “bringing back factories,” but rather a negotiation tool to eliminate foreign trade barriers - ultimately aiming to increase free trade, not restrict it. We also got into: - What each of them would do if they w…
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Nina Achadjian is a Partner at Index Ventures, where she invests across seed, venture, and growth stages in AI, enterprise software, and vertical SaaS. She sits down with Beezer Clarkson, LP at Sapphire Partners, and the two discuss Nina’s predictions for M&A in 2025, the importance of product market fit and what Nina looks for in a new hire. Plus,…
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Brittany Spanos and Rob Sheffield join host Brian Hiatt for a look at some of the latest developments in pop, from Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco's collaborative album to Lady Gaga's Mayhem Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesBy Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network
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In this freeform episode, Logan sits down with Zach Weinberg (Co-Founder and CEO of Curie.Bio) to break down two of the biggest storylines in tech: tariffs and AI. They banter through the core arguments for and against tariffs, including national security, domestic employment, and negotiation power. Plus, they revisit what’s happened in past trade …
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A new book, Lollapalooza: The Uncensored Story of Alternative Rock's Wildest Festival, is full of fascinating unearthed stories about the most important festival of the 1990s. Authors Richard Bienstock and Tom Beaujour join host Brian Hiatt to break down some of the book's best moments: Eddie Vedder joining the freak show, Sinead O'Connor freaking …
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Box CEO Aaron Levie joined the show to share his perspective on how AI is reshaping the enterprise landscape. He shared what his customers are actually thinking about when it comes to AI, the shift from closed to open-source models, and why the biggest opportunities might not be in flashy consumer tools but in workflow automation and data-rich ente…
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Origins host Beezer Clarkson sits down with her colleague Laura Thompson, fellow LP and Partner at Sapphire Partners, to riff on her recent conversation with Thomas Kristensen, Partner at LGT Capital Partners. Together they discuss 2025’s sluggish exit market, and whether or not that’s a sign that venture is broken. They also discuss the importance…
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Kirk Hammett, author of the new book The Collection: Kirk Hammett, looks back at his years in Metallica, hanging out with Kurt Cobain and Lou Reed, and much more in an interview with host Brian Hiatt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesBy Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network
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After unveiling 45 new product announcements this week, Zoom CEO Eric Yuan joined the show to share how he’s thinking about the future of work. He shared how he prioritizes which features to build, his approach to rebuilding company culture, what he’d do differently if he were starting Zoom today, and much more. (00:00) Intro (01:14) Eric Yuan on Z…
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Questlove, director of the excellent new documentary Sly Lives! (aka The Burden of Black Genius), dissects the greatness of Sly Stone, while also going deep on D'Angelo, Michael Jackson, and his own life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesBy Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network
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As tariff drama continues to heat up, Ryan Petersen, CEO of Flexport (one of the hottest freight forwarders in the world) came on the show to unpack the impact. Ryan also dives deep into the hidden world of US shipping, opportunities for AI automation in logistics, reflections on building Flexport, and some supply chain conspiracy theories. (00:00)…
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Thomas Kristensen, Partner at LGT Capital Partners, has decades of experience backing the top players in venture, but as an LP, doesn’t love the term "franchise fund.” He sits down with Bezer Clarkson, Partner at Sapphire Partners, to discuss why GPs can’t rest on their laurels, that being a franchise shouldn’t be every VC’s ultimate goal, and how …
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Heartbreakers guitarist Mike Campbell, author of the great new book Heartbreaker: A Memoir, shares untold stories from his collaborations with Tom Petty and much more in an interview with host Brian Hiatt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesBy Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network
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Super-producer Andrew Watt shares behind-the-scenes tales of working with Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, the Rolling Stones, Pearl Jam, Paul McCartney, and many more in an interview with host Brian Hiatt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoicesBy Rolling Stone | Cumulus Podcast Network
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Yamini Rangan, CEO of HubSpot (a $40 billion leader in the CRM space) shares how AI is transforming go-to-market strategies, the key lessons Yamini has learned as a first-time CEO, and the sales tactics she’s mastered. She also discusses the challenges of navigating major business pivots, including how companies can successfully transition into AI-…
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