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What was really happening inside the SEC during the Gensler years?
Today, we sat down with Corey Frayer, former senior crypto policy advisor to SEC Chair Gary Gensler and now Director of Investor Protection at the Consumer Federation of America.
We dig into how the agency thought about securities law, DeFi, Uniswap, stablecoins, SAB 121, and why platforms like Coinbase and Kraken ended up in the crosshairs.
Corey defends the Gensler playbook while responding to the industry’s harshest criticisms, from “regulation by enforcement” to claims of a political war on crypto.
Corey Frayer:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/corey-frayer-990a6b2
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
4:58 Crypto Industry Misconceptions
7:59 Corey’s Role & Background
14:20 How it All Started
24:16 No Path to Register?
31:26 Technology vs Economic Activity
38:22 Protecting Investors
41:07 DeFi Regulation
44:53 Uniswap’s Wells Notice
57:00 Fake DeFi vs True DeFi
1:03:41 Google Analogy
1:08:35 The Howey Test
1:16:53 SEC: Good or Evil?
1:26:52 GENIUS Bill
1:29:10 SAB 121
1:33:01 Crypto & SEC Political Impact
1:36:02 Paul Atkin’s SEC
1:38:15 What Would Corey Change?
1:41:23 Gary’s Text Messages
1:43:10 Is ETH a Security?
1:44:39 Gary Gensler’s Radio Silence
1:47:37 Gary’s Twitter April Fools PFP
1:50:44 Closing & Disclaimers
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