This week, S.E. sits down with a friend! The singer-songwriter Stephen Kellogg joins S.E. in the iHeart studio to talk about why he's searching for a pivot, the toll of being a touring musician, and the moments of failure he's learned from. As a father to four, he also shares his best parenting hacks and how he and his longtime partner make it work. S.E. and Stephen also get into some controversial opinions about the best pizza (is it *really* in New Haven?!) AND who he thinks is America's best singer-songwriter of all time (his answers may surprise you). Stephen Kellogg's latest album,"To you, old friend.", is out now.

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