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In this Church 3.0 episode, Tyler interviews Johnmark Oudersluys, the Executive Director of CityLink Center, for a powerful conversation about the future of church health, long-term disciple-making, and how ministries can rethink their strategies for real community impact.
Johnmark shares lessons from leading one of the most innovative, collaborative ministry centers in the country—focusing on outcomes, not outputs, and helping churches move beyond weekend-centric models.
From measuring what actually matters to building systems that create transformation, this episode gives pastors and ministry leaders a practical roadmap to build healthier churches in 2025 and beyond.
- ⛪ What You’ll Learn
- 📊 Why many churches are measuring the wrong things
- 🔁 The shift from programming to pathways
- 🤝 How CityLink Center is redesigning community impact
- 💡 What healthy churches prioritize (and what they stop doing)
- 🤲 Why collaboration—not competition—is the future of ministry
- 📈 The new metrics every pastor needs in 2025
- 🧩 How to structure teams for long-term discipleship
- 🛠️ Practical steps to build a healthier, more sustainable church model
🔗 About Johnmark Oudersluys
Johnmark Oudersluys is the Executive Director of CityLink Center, a nationally recognized hub where churches, nonprofits, and service providers collaborate to help individuals break cycles of poverty through integrated, Christ-centered support.
🔗 Learn more about Apollos – https://apollos.com/church-growth
🔗 Connect with Johnmark Oudersluys on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmark-oudersluys-98a785/
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Chapters
1. The Future of Church Strategy: Johnmark Oudersluys on Multiplication, Digital, and Community Impact (00:00:00)
2. Who Is Johnmark Oudersluys? (00:01:09)
3. What CityLink Center Does (00:01:35)
4. Poverty Challenges in Cincinnati (00:01:58)
5. Why CityLink Was Created (00:02:28)
6. How CityLink Creates Client Pathways (00:03:22)
7. Johnmark’s Journey Into Ministry (00:04:06)
8. From Corporate Consulting to CityLink (00:04:56)
9. Mobilizing Churches for Real Impact (00:06:04)
10. The Controversial Launch of CityLink (00:07:48)
11. Community Resistance & City Opposition (00:08:30)
12. Rebuilding Trust with the Community (00:10:15)
13. Understanding True Barriers to Poverty (00:14:26)
14. CityLink’s Integrated Pathway Model (00:18:36)
15. Measuring Outcomes vs. Outputs (00:19:47)
16. How Churches Can Partner Effectively (00:22:28)
17. Why Collaboration Beats Competition (00:26:37)
18. Measuring Real Community Transformation (00:28:02)
19. Johnmark’s Advice for Church Leaders (00:30:30)
20. What Sustainable Ministry Looks Like (00:36:06)
21. Final Insights + Episode Wrap-Up (00:39:10)
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