A little over a week ago, I spoke with Kevin McKernan about the paper he co-authored with Jessica Rose and David Speicher, looking at DNA contamination, including SV40 promoter-enhancer sequences, in the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines. In that episode, I asked Kevin whether the paper is enough to demonstrate fraud on the part of the vaccine manufacturers. This is important, because if fraud can be shown, these companies lose their protection from legal liability.

In this episode, I speak with Dr. Jessica Rose about the paper. She explains what is needed to prove fraud, and why that is challenging, but also explains why there is a strong case for it. We also talk about the corrupt nature of the justice system, her own calculation of VAERS underreporting, and the preprint by Kevin McKernan that had just come out, showing "Hyperstimulatory N⁶-methyladenine (m6A) in residual SV40 plasmid DNA in mRNA vaccines"—and possibly more evidence of fraud.

We also talk a little about the meaning of life, and Jessica's cat shows up near the end.

Again, the paper is here.

Jessica's lay-person write-up of the paper is here.

You can find Jessica on Substack, and on X.

I spoke with Jessica back in May, about self-amplifying RNA.

And my episode with Kevin, about the DNA contamination, is here.