A podcast about local-first software development
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From Prisma Founder to LiveStore: Building local-first apps with Johannes Schickling
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1:31:40Johannes Schickling, original founder of Prisma, joins me to talk about LiveStore, his ambitious local-first data layer designed to rethink how we build apps from the data layer up. We dive deep into event sourcing, syncing with SQLite, and why this approach might power the next generation of reactive apps. 🔗 Links Mentioned Want to learn more abou…
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The guest of this episode is Tanner Linsley, creator of the TanStack ecosystem including projects such as React Query and TanStack Router. This episode will talk about the newest project, TanStack DB and explore the problems it’s trying to solve and how it works. Mentioned in podcast: Tanner Linsley: X + GitHub TanStack TanStack Query TanStack DB L…
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How Durable Objects and D1 Work: A Deep Dive with Cloudflare’s Josh Howard
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1:14:40Josh Howard, Senior Engineering Manager at Cloudflare, joins me to explain how Durable Objects and D1 work under the hood—and why Cloudflare’s approach to stateful serverless infrastructure is so unique. We get into V8 isolates, replication models, routing strategies, and even upcoming support for containers. Want to learn more about SQLite? Check …
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20 years of hacking Postgres with Heikki Linnakangas (cofounder of Neon)
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2:00:11In this episode of Database School, I talk with Heikki Linnakangas, co-founder of Neon and longtime PostgreSQL hacker, to talk about 20+ years in the Postgres community, the architecture behind Neon, and the future of multi-threaded Postgres. From paternity leave patches to branching production databases, we cover a lot of ground in this deep-dive …
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#24 – Ben Holmes: Astro, Simple Sync Engine & Warp
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1:11:05The guest of this episode is Ben Holmes, a senior web developer and educator known for his whiteboard videos. After having spent most of his career building server-centric applications, Ben recently explored local-first software by building a simple sync engine which we talk through in-depth. Mentioned in podcast: Ben Holmes: Website + X + YouTube …
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Building a serverless database replica with Carl Sverre
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1:28:59Want to learn more SQLite? Check out my SQLite course: https://highperformancesqlite.com In this episode, Carl Sverre and I discuss why syncing everything is a bad idea and how his new project, Graft, makes edge-native, partially replicated databases possible. We dig into SQLite, object storage, transactional guarantees, and why Graft might be the …
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#23 – Sujay Jayakar: Dropbox, Convex
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1:08:15This episode's guest is Sujay Jayakar, co-founder of Convex and early engineer at Dropbox. In this conversation, Sujay shares the story of how the sync engine powering Dropbox was initially built and later redesigned to address all sorts of distributed systems problems Mentioned in podcast: Sujay Jayakar: X + GitHub + Bluesky + Linkedin Convex Drop…
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The guest of this episodeis Paul Butler, founder of Jamsocket and creator of the Y-Sweet project. This conversation will delve into building vs buying a sync engine and explore the various projects behind Jamsocket including Plane, Y-Sweet and ForeverVM. Mentioned in podcast: Paul Butler: Website + X Jamsocket Learn Yjs Y-Sweet Plane ForeverVM You …
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#21 – Seph Gentle: Google Wave, eg-walker, creativity, AI
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1:29:46The guest of this episode is Seph Gentle, a prolific software researcher who is behind projects such as the new eg-walker paper and ShareJS, one of the oldest local-first open source projects. Before, Seph also co-created Google Wave over 10 years ago which will be explored in-depth in this episode. Mentioned in podcast: Seph Gentle: Website + X CR…
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Postgres on bare metal with the CEO of Prisma
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1:24:03Prisma started as a GraphQL backend and pivoted into one of the most widely used ORMs in the world. Now, they’ve launched Prisma Postgres, and CEO Søren Bramer Schmidt is here to break down the journey, the challenges, and the massive technical innovations behind it—including bare-metal servers, Firecracker microVMs, and unikernels. If you care abo…
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The guest of this episode is Adam Wulf, the engineer and solopreneur behind Muse, a local-first canvas-based tool for thought. This conversation will get trough the evolution of Muse as a product, company and people who made it, reflecting on the joys and struggles of building software as a team of one. Later, the conversation will dive deep into t…
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#19 – Brooklyn Zelenka: UCAN, Beehive, Beelay
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1:11:10The guest of this episode is Brooklyn Zelenka, a local-first researcher and creator of various projects including UCAN and Beehive. This conversation, will go deep on authorization and access control in a decentralized, local-first environment and explore this topic by learning about UCAN and Beehive. Later, the conversation will also diving into B…
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Special episode: Apps vs Files with Gordon Brander, Peter van Hardenberg & Jess Martin.
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1:09:10This is a special episode which was recorded as a Twitter space conversation between Gordon Brander, Peter Van Hardenberg, and Jess Martin. This conversation explores the ideas and trade offs of apps versus files. Mentioned in podcast Gordon Brander Peter van Hardenberg Jess Martin Links: Website: localfirst.fm X/Twitter: x.com/localfirstfm YouTube…
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#18 – James Arthur: ElectricSQL, read-path syncing, PGLite
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1:06:33The guest of this episode is James Arthur, founder and CEO of Electric SQL, a Postgres-centric sync engine for local-first apps. This conversation will dive deep into how Electric works and explore its design decisions such as read-path syncing and using HTTP as the network layer to improve scalability. Towards the end we are also covering PGLite, …
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Moving from Redis to SQLite with Mike Buckbee
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1:09:14Want to learn more SQLite? Check out my SQLite course: https://highperformancesqlite.com In this episode, I sit down with Mike Buckbee to dive into the nitty-gritty of web application firewalls and his journey from using Redis to SQLite in Wafris. We talk about database architecture, operational challenges, and the fascinating ways SQLite improves …
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#17 – Kyle Simpson: Local-first identity
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1:32:10The guest of this episode is Kyle Simpson, a prolific JavaScript engineer and author of the book You Don’t Know JS. Over the past years, Kyle has been researching user identity and encryption in a local-first context which we explore in depth in this episode. This conversation will dive into the story that led Kyle to local-first including what he …
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The guest of this episode is Anselm Eickhoff, creator of Jazz and founder of Garden Computing. This conversation will dive deep into Jazz to learn how it works and which use cases it’s a good fit for by exploring various apps already built on top of Jazz. Mentioned in podcast Anselm Eickhoff: x.com/anselm_io / anselm.io jazz.tools Garden Computing …
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Bootstrapping an email service provider (with Jesse Hanley)
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1:21:59Want to learn more Postgres? Check out my Postgres course: https://masteringpostgres.com. In this interview, I talk with Jesse Hanley, founder of Bento, about running a lean email service from Japan. We chat about the challenges of scaling infrastructure, managing databases, and maintaining a calm business while serving a global customer base. Link…
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Creating a Postgres platform with Monica & Tudor from Xata.io
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1:01:21Want to learn more Postgres? Check out my Postgres course: https://masteringpostgres.com. Production ready Postgres for teams that ship fast: https://xata.io In this interview, I talk with Monica Sarbu and Tudor Golubenco from Xata about their journey from Elastic to founding Xata. We deep dive on building a Postgres hosting platform, handling sche…
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#15 – Tuomas Artman: Linear, sync engines, rethought startup MVP
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1:01:18The guest of this episode is Tuomas Artman, co-founder and CTO of Linear. Prior to Linear, Tuomas had already built sync engines for over a decade at companies like Groupon and Uber. This conversation will explore how local-first and software quality was crucial for Linear’s success and how the concept of a startup MVP should be rethought. Mentione…
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Heroku's glory days & Postgres vs the world, w/ Craig Kerstiens
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1:02:46Want to learn more Postgres? Check out my Postgres course: https://masteringpostgres.com. In this interview, I dive deep with Craig Kerstiens from Crunchy Data into the world of Postgres, covering its rise to prominence, scaling at Heroku, and the power of Postgres extensions. Craig also shares insights on database sharding, the future of Postgres,…
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#14 – Matthew Weidner: Architectures for Central Server Collaboration
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57:26The guest of this episode is Matthew Weidner, a computer science PhD student at Carnegie Mellon University focussing on distributed systems and local-first software. Matthew has recently published an extensive blog post about architectures for central server collaboration which is explored in depth in this conversation comparing different approache…
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#13 – Maggie Appleton: Barefoot Developers, AI, end-user programming
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1:05:07The guest of this episode is Maggie Appleton, a designer, anthropologist and developer who has recently explored the world of local-first by giving the closing keynote at the last local-first conf. This conversation will dive into the topics of her talk including home cooked software, the idea behind barefoot developers and how AI complements local…
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Ruby on Rails + SQLite with Stephen Margheim
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1:43:09Want to learn more about SQLite? Check out the full course: https://highperformancesqlite.com Get production ready SQLite with Turso: https://tur.so/af. In this interview, I talk to Stephen Margheim about his work with SQLite and Ruby on Rails. Links: Database school on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLI72dgeNJtzqElnNB6sQoAn2R-F3Vqm…
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The guest of this episode is James Pearce, the author of Tinybase, a reactive data store library for local-first apps. This conversation will explore how Tinybase works including its custom query system, the various persistence and syncing integrations as well as James’ plans for the future. Mentioned in podcast James Pearce: x.com/jamespearce + sc…
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#11 – Adam Wiggins: Local-first Conf 2024
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1:02:26The guest of this episode is Adam Wiggins, who is the founder of Heroku and one of the co-authors of the local-first essay by Ink & Switch. As Adam is also a co-organizer of the first local-first conference, this conversation will reflect on the event, share our learnings and discuss a couple of key topics such as a new definition of local-first so…
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Migrating from Postgres to SQLite with Kent C. Dodds
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51:30Want to learn more about SQLite? Check out the full course: https://highperformancesqlite.com. Get production ready SQLite with Turso: https://tur.so/af. In this interview, I talk to Kent C. Dodds about SQLite, LiteFS and the React ecosystem. Kent: https://twitter.com/kentcdodds EpicWeb: https://www.epicweb.dev The Epic Stack: https://www.epicweb.d…
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Production SQLite with Turso and libSQL
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1:40:47Want to learn more about SQLite? Check out the full course: https://highperformancesqlite.com Get production ready SQLite with Turso: https://tur.so/af. In this interview I talk to Glauber Costa, CEO of Turso.By Try Hard Studios
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Want to learn more about SQLite? Check out the full course: https://highperformancesqlite.com. Get production ready SQLite with Turso: https://tur.so/af. In this interview I talk to Carl Sverre about his new project: SQLSync. It's an offline-first, collaborative wrapper around SQLite. We cover event sourcing, conflict resolution, VFSes, and more! C…
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Distributed SQLite with Litestream and LiteFS
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57:42Want to learn more about SQLite? Check out the full course: https://highperformancesqlite.com. Get production ready SQLite with Turso: https://tur.so/af. Ben and Aaron discuss replication and backups in SQLite, Litestream and LiteFS, and future mad scientist projects Ben is working on. • Ben Johnson on Twitter: https://x.com/benbjohnson • Litestrea…
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Want to learn more about SQLite? Check out the full course: https://highperformancesqlite.com. Get production ready SQLite with Turso: https://tur.so/af. DHH and Aaron discuss modern SQLite, the one-person framework, conceptual compression, stoicism, and ONCE.com's newest product: Workbook.By Try Hard Studios
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#10 – Matt Wonlaw: cr-sqlite, syncing strategies and incremental view maintenance
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1:03:36The guest of this episode is Matt Wonlaw, a prolific local-first tool builder who’s behind projects such as Vlcn, cr-sqlite and Materialite. Most recently Matt also joined Rocicorp to work on their new product. This conversation will go deep on his projects covering CRDTs, SQLite and incremental view maintenance. Mentioned in podcast Matt Wonlaw: x…
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The guest of this episode is Dax Raad, who is using local-first in multiple projects including the serverless deployment tool SST.dev, a healthcare app and an upcoming personal finance app. This conversation will explore how local-first simplifies app development, the UX and data patterns he used on and how self-hosting could empower local-first ap…
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#8 – Pirijan Ketheswaran: Kinopio, Canvas-based tools, being a solo developer
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56:42The guest of this episode is Pirijan Ketheswaran, the creator of the Kinopio, a playful, canvas-based tool for thought. He is also the co-creator of the online IDE Glitch. This conversation will go trough his journey as a creative including his time at Fog Creek and later building Kinopio as a solo developer. Mentioned in podcast Pirijan Ketheswara…
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#7 – James Long: Actual Budget, Hybrid Logical Clocks & Absurd-SQL
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1:34:11The guest of this episode is James Long, the creator of local-first app called Actual Budget and the absurd-sql project which helped to pave the way to bring SQLite back to the browser. This conversation will explore his journey of building Actual Budget including implementing a syncing solution from scratch and expanding from an Electron app to mo…
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#6 – Rasmus Andersson: Playbit, Software Quality, Data Models Tradeoffs
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1:43:44The guest of this episode is Rasmus Anderson, who helped to build many monumental products such as Spotify, Dropbox and Figma and is now working on Playbit, a local-first operating system built from scratch. This extended conversation will go deep on software quality, the tradeoffs of different data models and the importance of the web for modern a…
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#5 – Kyle Mathews: Benefits of using a sync engine, personal local-first apps, ElectricSQL
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46:40The guest of this episode is Kyle Matthews, who, in the past, founded Gatsby JS and is currently delving into local-first software. In the conversation, Kyle shares his experiences in building some small-scale local-first apps for his personal use and discusses how the utilization of a data syncing engine liberates significant development time. Men…
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#4 – Martin Kleppmann: CRDTs, Automerge, generic syncing servers & Bluesky
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1:04:23The guest of this episode, Martin Kleppmann, is one of the authors of the original local-first essay. Martin has been exploring local-first software and CRDTs for over 10 years, which has led to the creation of Automerge, which we discuss in depth in this episode. This episode is also exploring the ideas of generic sync servers and the impact this …
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#3 – Geoffrey Litt: Malleable software, local state management & Riffle
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1:05:56In this episode we talk about Geoffrey's background in malleable software and how relational databases can be leveraged to build better web apps and improve data ownership. A topic he extensively investigates through the Riffle research project. Mentioned in podcast Geoffrey Litt: x.com/geoffreylitt + www.geoffreylitt.com Ink and Switch Cambria (20…
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#2 – Aaron Boodman: From Google Gears to Replicache & Reflect.net
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50:15In this episode we talk about Aaron's history in local-first, which goes back to 2008 with the release of Google Gears – the first time sqlite was added to the browser - and his perspective on where we're at now and why local-first is finally happening. Mentioned in podcast: Aaron: x.com/aboodman + aaronboodman.com en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears_(soft…
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In this inaugural episode, I'm speaking to Peter van Hardenberg, who helped to coin and popularize the term Local First. As the director of the Ink & Switch Research Lab, he's been on the forefront of this work for the better part of a decade. My conversation with him today starts with the basics of what Local First is and why you, an application d…
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