Welcome to The Scaling Wellness Podcast - the podcast dedicated to sharing what, why, and how of scaling your wellness practice beyond yourself, as well as sharing inspiring stories of how others did it themselves. Join Darryl “DJ” Turner as he and his guests share everything you need to know about scaling your practice up, while scaling back your stress, responsibility, and client-facing hours. Listen to new interviews every Monday with a bonus episode every Thursday!
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Research Perch is a podcast designed to help you learn how to use massage therapy research in your practice. Each episode digs into a specific article from the International Journal of Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork and unpacks it so you know how it applies to you. Grow your massage therapy practice and serve your clients better with the power of research!
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Muscles to the Masses, the Podcast, talks muscles (of course!) along with discussions on all kinds of movement, recovery, and fitness. Join Julie Read to explore muscular anatomy and the worlds of massage therapy and fitness. Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/musclestothemasses/support
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A podcast for the business focused trying to start their own business without breaking the bank by using the perfect strategy. This show takes a different spin and is a weekly show that will discuss such topics as setting up a business on a budget, time management and how to grow your business. We will also have interviews from successful entrepreneurs who will share their challenges and successes. The question is - are you ready to game change your business?
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A top authority in massage therapy, muscle palpation, joint motion assessment, and the biomechanics of exercise. Give yourself the gift of being a sponge. Gain knowledge in areas that you care about. Drive, walk, exercise or run while listening to interviews with experts who are constantly reaching and expanding on second-layer knowledge in areas that relate to health and performance (physical and psychological). Guests are true professionals who have dedicated their lives to doing work that ...
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Are you a physical therapist or physiotherapist looking for tips, tools, and strategies to work with more athletes, become a sports specialist or get a job in a sports setting...so you can finally enjoy the career that you’ve always dreamed of? If so, you’re in the right place...this podcast is for you. Your host is Dr. Chris Garcia, a physical therapist, business owner, entrepreneur, nationally recognized public speaker, and residency-trained sports specialist. Dr. Chris Garcia, PT, DPT, SC ...
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306 - The 5 Mindset Shifts Every Massage Practice Owner Must Make | Beyond Fully Booked Pt. 3
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12:57You’re fully booked. Now what? In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m diving into the mindset shifts that every massage therapist needs to make when transitioning from a solo practitioner to a group practice owner. Going beyond the table means stepping into true leadership, which requires a whole new skill set. I’ll break down what it…
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305 - 5 Types of Group Practices You Can Create | Beyond Fully Booked Pt. 2
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14:35In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m breaking down what a group massage practice can really look like. From boutique teams of 3–5, to multi-location studios, multidisciplinary wellness centers, spas, and even mobile massage businesses—you’ll discover the different ways you can scale beyond a solo practice. Whether you’re dreaming of…
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304 - So youre fully booked now what Beyond Fully Booked Pt. 1
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15:41You’ve finally done it, you’re fully booked. Your calendar is packed, clients love you, and you’ve reached the goal most massage therapists dream of. But here’s the real question: what’s next? In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m breaking down what happens beyond fully booked. Should you stay solo and raise your rates? Explore new c…
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303 - The Secrets Behind Growing a Successful Massage Practice with Rachel Hargrove
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36:47In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m joined by Rachel Hargrove, owner of Height of Health Massage, a thriving massage studio dedicated to helping clients achieve lasting wellness through intentional, results-driven bodywork. Rachel’s path to success is filled with lessons every wellness entrepreneur can relate to. From growing her c…
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302 - The Road to $30k Months (& Why Hustle Alone Won’t Take You There)
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16:05In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m pulling back the curtain on the exact strategies that took one massage business from zero to $30,000 per month in just one year. I’ll walk you through the real numbers, the systems that made growth possible, and the critical shifts that kept clients coming back. From building the right offers to …
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301 - How Zalla Otten Built One of Houston’s Top Massage Studios
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53:59In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m joined by someone who’s built one of Houston’s most beloved massage practices Zalla Otten, founder of Zalla Massage. Zalla’s journey is anything but ordinary. From starting out in a spare bedroom to now running a thriving practice in a cozy 105-year-old cottage in Montrose, she’s grown her busine…
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300 - The Massage Industrys Broken Promise And How To Fix It
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18:46I’ve got a confession to make, and a promise to keep. For a while, I stepped back from delivering on what I said I would, and I know some of you have been waiting for the podcast to return in full force. Well, the wait is almost over. In this episode, I’m opening up about what happened behind the scenes, why things didn’t go as planned, and most …
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IJTMB Mental Health Special Issue [Research Perch]
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21:32Join us for Research Perch, as International Journal of Therapeutic Massage & Bodywork (IJTMB) Associate Editor, Dr. Sarah Fogarty, speaks with Dr. Cynthia Price about the upcoming September 2025 Special Issue of IJTMB concerning massage therapy and mental health.
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MassageNet IMTRC Special Session Recap [Research Perch]
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25:28Listen in to Research Perch as we speak with Dr. Niki Munk and Sami Zabel about the MassageNet Special Session and activity held at the 2025 International Massage Therapy Research Conference in Alexandria, VA. The session provided the opportunity for MassageNet Practice-Based Research Network (PBRN) member massage therapists to share their ideas ab…
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We’re hitting pause for a summer break—but don’t worry, we’ll be back soon with even more inspiring episodes, fresh insights, and powerful conversations to help you grow your wellness business. Stay tuned—exciting things are on the way! ---------------------------------------------- Want to build a wellness practice that gives you both TIME and MON…
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299 - CASE STUDY: How Nadin Went From Solo Practitioner To A Multi-Location Group Practice
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46:49In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m sitting down with someone who’s redefining what it means to run a successful, client-centered massage business—Nadin Bailey, founder of MEND Massage Therapy. A licensed massage therapist, registered yoga teacher, and lifelong student of movement, Nadin brings nearly a decade of expertise to the i…
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EP179: “Is Cash-Based Sports PT Right For You?”
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1:18:02In this video, Dr. Chris Garcia sits down with a former Sports Performance intern and client who is now pursuing a Doctorate in Physical Therapy. Together, they explore the differences between cash pay and insurance-based physical therapy models. Through a candid and insightful conversation, Dr. Chris shares his real-world experience running a succ…
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298 - What No One Tells You About Going From Solo Therapist to Group Practice
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17:53Hey, DJ here—and if you’re a solo therapist dreaming about growing into a group practice, this episode is your heads-up and your how-to. Going from solo to group sounds exciting—more clients, more revenue, more freedom, right? But what no one tells you is that the shift comes with a whole new set of challenges. It’s not just more of what you’re doi…
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297 - How to Unintentionally Destroy Your Massage Business by Chasing Money
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296 - Systems, Sanity, and Scaling- How to Build a Practice That Fits Your Life w: Erin Stebbins - Massage Business Mentor
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43:23In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, DJ sits down with Erin Stebbins—a massage therapist, coach, and entrepreneur with a deep understanding of what it takes to grow a practice that’s both sustainable and aligned with your values. Erin shares her journey from a rebellious, creative teenager to a seasoned business owner who’s run both sol…
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295 - 3 High Level Hack to Defeat Overwhelm Shiny Object Syndrome
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20:00Hey, DJ here—and if your brain feels like a browser with 47 tabs open and all of them are yelling at you… this episode is for you. In today’s show, I’m breaking down 3 high-level hacks to help you cut through the chaos, stop chasing every shiny new idea, and finally focus on what really moves the needle in your wellness business. Whether you're jug…
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294 - How to Start Your Own Massage School (Without Burning Out) w/Lindsay Juarez of Mindful Massage Academy
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31:11Have you ever dreamed of starting your own massage school—but felt overwhelmed by the idea of burnout, endless paperwork, or not knowing where to start? This episode is for you. Today on the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m sitting down with Lindsay Juarez, founder of Mindful Massage Academy. Lindsay isn’t just a successful massage school owner—she’s …
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293 - How To Get Google To Send Your Clients For Free w/ Laura Jawad - SEO Strategist
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46:39What happens when you combine a Ph.D.-level scientist’s brain with a passion for personal training, birth work—and business strategy? You get Laura Jawad, today’s guest on the Scaling Wellness Podcast and someone you absolutely need to know. Laura is a personal trainer and birth doula-turned-SEO strategist who’s built not one, but two fully booked-…
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292 - How To Re-Activate Old ClientsClients Who Have Fallen Off
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12:13Hey, DJ here! Let me ask you a question—how many people have walked through your doors, loved your service… and then never come back? If you’ve been focused on getting new clients, but ignoring the goldmine of people who already know, like, and trust you—this episode is your wake-up call. Reactivating past clients is one of the easiest, fastest, an…
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291 - How To Market When You Have No Time No Money
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17:23Hey, DJ here—and today, we’re talking about something real. If you’ve ever caught yourself saying, “I just don’t have the time” or “I can’t afford to grow my business right now,” this episode is especially for you. I know what it’s like to feel stretched thin—emotionally, financially, and mentally. But here’s the truth: building a successful wellne…
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290 - Helping 1 Million People Get Out Of Pain - How To Build A Massage School w/Shari Aldrich
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45:23We’ve got a powerhouse in the house! In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I sit down with none other than Shari Aldrich—Massage Business Coach, 2x Massage School Owner, Massage Therapy Hall of Fame Inductee, and the expert currently helping massage schools grow, scale, and thrive. Shair has been in the game for over two decades. In that…
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289 - Is paid advertising right for you? (Here's how to know)
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288 - What to Focus on in Your Massage Business at Every Stage
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21:04Ever feel like you're stuck in the same place with your business, wondering what it takes to break through to the next level? In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m breaking down the four distinct stages of growing a wellness business—so you can identify exactly where you are, what’s holding you back, and how to push forward with conf…
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287 - Ditch the To-Do List A Better Way to Manage Your Time
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19:43Do you ever feel like no matter how much you check off your to-do list, you’re still not getting ahead? You’re busy all day, but your business still feels stuck? In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m breaking down why traditional to-do lists might actually be slowing you down—and what you should be doing instead to create real moment…
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286 - How to Document a System in 30 Minutes or Less
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12:40What if I told you that spending just 30 minutes on documentation could completely change the way your business operates? In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I’m breaking down why documentation isn’t just some boring admin task—it’s the key to reducing chaos, scaling your business, and finally getting some breathing room as an owner. I…
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285 - Buying A Boutique Practice w/ Krista Dicks of Align Massage Therapy & The Radical Massage Therapist Podcast
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47:06We’re shaking things up! After a stretch of solo episodes, we’re back with a powerful interview that you won’t want to miss! In this episode of the Scaling Wellness Podcast, I sit down with Krista Dicks, an experienced wellness entrepreneur who turned her passion into a thriving business. Her story is one of resilience, smart decision-making, and t…
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284 - Operations Manual vs Employee Handbook (What's The Difference & Why You Need Both)
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11:38Let’s be real—if you’re running your wellness business without solid systems in place, you’re setting yourself up for stress, burnout, and stalled growth. In this episode of the Scaling Wellness podcast, I’m diving into the essential systems every wellness business owner needs to create consistency, improve efficiency, and scale without chaos. We’l…
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283 - 4 Essential Systems to Book More Massage Clients
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14:10Let’s be real—if you’re running your wellness business without solid systems in place, you’re setting yourself up for stress, burnout, and stalled growth. In this episode of the Scaling Wellness podcast, I’m diving into the essential systems every wellness business owner needs to create consistency, improve efficiency, and scale without chaos. We’l…
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IMTRC 2025 with Ruth Werner & Adrienne Asta [Research Perch]
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40:06Listen in to Research Perch as MTF President Adrienne F. Asta, BA, LMT, speaks with author and educator Ruth Werner, BCTMB, about the upcoming 2025 International Massage Therapy Research Conference (IMTRC) in Alexandria, VA. Learn how attending can benefit you and your clients, explore speakers and topics, and find out how IMTRC impacts research in…
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282 - The Big 5 Myths of Growing Beyond 6 Figures
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16:31What if the advice you’ve been following is actually keeping you stuck? In this episode of the Scaling Wellness podcast, I’m busting the five biggest myths that could be slowing down your business growth. Whether it’s marketing misconceptions, team-building struggles, or the fear of stepping back from hands-on work, we’re tackling the limiting beli…
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281 - How to Avoid The 5 Major Scaling Pitfalls in 2025 (Distraction, Overwhelm, Procrastination & More)
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280 - How To Plan and Execute Your Best Year Yet
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22:11Feeling inspired by the fresh start of a new year? Let’s channel that energy into making 2025 your most successful and fulfilling year yet. In this episode, I’ll guide you through actionable steps to set goals that stick, build momentum, and create a sustainable plan for growth. We’ll break down the essentials—how to identify the right goals, avoid…
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EP178: “Transitioning Athletes To Wellness Programs”
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22:48How do you help athletes transition from recovery to long-term wellness? In this video, Dr. Chris Garcia breaks down the key steps for guiding athletes into effective wellness programs that support their performance, prevent re-injury, and promote a healthy, active lifestyle. Learn how to bridge the gap between rehab and peak performance with strat…
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Happy New Year! It’s that time when resolutions are fresh, motivation is high, and dreams for a better business are top of mind. In this special kickoff episode, I’ll guide you through how to turn those January resolutions into actionable strategies that bring real growth and revenue to your wellness business in 2025. We’ll discuss why many busines…
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Join Dr. Chris Garcia as he breaks down the top goals every sports physical therapist should set for 2025 to elevate their practice and achieve professional growth. From mastering cutting-edge techniques to building stronger client relationships, this video is packed with actionable insights to help you deliver exceptional care and thrive in your c…
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278 - Stories To Inspire - The Best of 2024
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25:36Happy New Year and welcome to a special episode of the Scaling Wellness podcast! As we kick off 2025, I’m taking a moment to reflect on the incredible stories and lessons shared by the amazing massage and spa owners featured on the podcast throughout 2024. From personal breakthroughs to business triumphs, these entrepreneurs opened up about their c…
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277 - The Biggest Lessons I Learned Coaching Massage Business Owners in 2024
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13:59Hey there, and welcome back to the Scaling Wellness podcast! Over the years, I’ve had the privilege of working with hundreds of wellness business owners, and in today’s episode, I’m sharing the most impactful lessons I’ve learned from those experiences. These are the insights that can help you overcome common challenges, avoid costly mistakes, and …
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Are you too focused on impairments in your physical therapy practice? In this bold and thought-provoking episode, Dr. Chris Garcia explains why Impairments Are Bull$h!t and how shifting your perspective can lead to better outcomes for your patients. Learn why focusing solely on impairments might be holding you back and discover how to prioritize fu…
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276 - How To Double Your Massage Business in 2025 - Part 2
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21:02Welcome back to the Scaling Wellness podcast! In this exciting series continuation, I’m diving into the next critical steps to help you double your wellness business revenue. If you’ve been looking for actionable strategies to break through your current ceiling and create sustainable growth, this episode is packed with insights you can’t afford to …
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How do you handle it when a client says, “It’s too expensive”? In this episode, I dive into how to overcome cost objections and communicate the true value of your services. If you’ve struggled with price objections in your cash-based practice, this episode will give you the tools to handle these situations with confidence and turn hesitant clients …
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275 - How To Double Your Massage Business in 2025 - Part 1
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23:31Are you ready to take your wellness business to the next level? In this episode, I’m diving into the first steps of a proven framework to help you double your revenue. Whether you’re stuck at a plateau or just looking for fresh strategies, this is where the transformation begins. We’ll unpack the foundational changes you need to make, from mindset …
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Delivering bad news to athletes is one of the toughest parts of being a sports physical therapist. In this episode, Dr. Chris discusses how to handle these challenging conversations with professionalism, empathy, and clarity. Whether you’re addressing career-impacting injuries or smaller hurdles, this episode provides the tools to ensure your messa…
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EP173: "The HARD Conversation, Stop Avoiding It"
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33:00Are you avoiding tough conversations with your patients? In this episode, Dr. Chris discusses the difficult conversations with patients and why addressing them head-on is crucial for your growth and success as a physical therapist. Learn how to tackle sensitive topics like patient compliance, treatment expectations, or even difficult business decis…
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274 - What's Working Now To Book Massage Clients - Nov 2024 Report
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20:50Are you ready to cut through the noise and focus on what’s actually working in the world of wellness business marketing? In this episode, I’m diving into the strategies, tactics, and tools that are delivering results for wellness entrepreneurs right now. No fluff—just actionable advice you can start implementing today. We’ll explore the key trends …
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EP172: “What I Wish I Knew Before Becoming A Sports PT”
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28:39Are you considering becoming a sports physical therapist or just starting out in the field? In this podcast, I share the lessons and insights I gained throughout his journey in sports physical therapy. From managing high expectations of athletes to navigating the business side of a cash-based practice, learn what mindset shifts you need to make, an…
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273 - How To Build An Actual Marketing Strategy & (Finally Stop Winging It)
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20:07Have you been throwing spaghetti at the wall, hoping your marketing sticks? Or maybe you've heard of the “one salad diet” but never thought about how it applies to running a successful wellness business. In today’s episode, I’m breaking it all down—how simplicity and focus can transform both your personal and professional life. We’ll dive into the …
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IJTMB Call for Papers on Mental Health & Manual Therapies [Research Perch]
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32:01Listen in to Research Perch as MTF President Adrienne F. Asta speaks with Cynthia Price, PhD, MA, LMT, and Sarah Fogarty, PhD, LMT, about the Call for Abstracts relating to Massage and Mental Health for an upcoming special issue of the International Journal of Therapeutic Massage and Bodywork (IJTMB). Learn more about the scope of content for this …
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272 - How To Set A Marketing Budget For Your Massage Business
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21:07Do you ever feel like you’re tossing money at marketing and crossing your fingers it works? In today’s episode, we’re taking the mystery out of setting a marketing budget. I’ll walk you through three essential methods for determining the right budget for your massage or wellness business—whether you aim for steady growth or take your practice to ne…
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EP171: "The Psychology Behind Recovery Success With Your Patients"
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25:21Do you understand the mental and emotional factors can significantly impact their rehabilitation outcomes? In this episode, Dr. Chris explains how mindset, motivation, and mental resilience play crucial roles in a patient’s recovery journey, and learn actionable strategies to help your patients stay engaged, optimistic, and committed to their progr…
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271 - 2 Posts You Need To Get Clients From Social Media
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16:31Are you posting on social media only to hear crickets? It’s time to change that! In today’s episode, I break down the two essential types of posts that will grab attention, get shares, and turn followers into paying clients. Whether you’re trying to reach new audiences or connect with your ideal clients, these strategies will give your social media…
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