Best Quad Pod Podcasts (2025)

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Ep. 163 Ideas from MAX: Audience Development vs. Community Engagement 28:04

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Ep. 163 Ideas from MAX: Audience Development vs. Community Engagement Our Ideas from MAX series will feature conversations from our booth at the 2025 Midwest Arts Xpo and a roundtable discussion with the Pod Squad! This week we kick off with Gary Maynard’s answer to the questions “What are we not talking about enough in the industry?”: the differen…

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Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You Fail Less 58:33

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Ep. 162 Todd Wetzel: Fail Over and Over, Until You Fail Less This week, our hosts start with a little game before Katie shares her conversation with Todd Wetzel. Todd is a fountain of knowledge and shares that knowledge with Katie, and our audience. Todd shares how he got his start in the arts, his philosophy on leadership, audience development, sh…

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Ep. 161 Patrick Brogan: Lean In and Don’t Take It for Granted 51:34

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Ep. 161 Patrick Brogan: Lean In and Don’t Take It for Granted Our hosts kick off this week talking about things they weren’t great at when they first started, and Bryan shares his conversation with Patrick Brogan. Patrick shares his role at ArtsQuest, an organization that grew from an 11-day music festival to a 10-acre arts and culture campus, the …

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Ep. 160 Matt Smith: Fitness for the Body means Health for the Mind 49:49

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Ep. 160 Matt Smith: Fitness for the Body means Health for the Mind This week the pod is bringing you something a little different. This week the pod goes fitness! Kevin shares his conversation with his personal trainer, Matt Smith, and talk about how health and wellness impacts your workflow. Matt also shares a beginner workout for use at home, in …

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Ep. 159 Hot Headlines : Ticket Price Punchline 25:52

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Ep. 159 Hot Headlines : Ticket Price Punchline This week The Pod Squad rounds up recent industry news including comments from the CEO of Live Nation and significant leadership changes in our industry. And Bryan throws back to MTV Unplugged.... Have opinions on the week’s top stories? Leave us a comment on social media or send us a message! Follow u…

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Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary! 26:54

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Ep. 158 It's a Pod-iversary! It’s a three-year celebration episode for the pod! Thank you all for joining us on this journey. If you are new here, you can find some “starter” playlists here: https://nobusinesslike.com/spotify-playlists Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions - https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our th…

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Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition! 46:00

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Ep.157 The State of the Arts: Arizona Edition! This week Katie gathers colleagues from the beautiful state of Arizona to discuss the vibe of the Arizona arts scene, collaboration, programming, and the state of arts funding in the 48th state. Bonnie Schock is the CEO of the Fox Tuscon Theatre in Tuscon, AZ (https://foxtucson.com/). Christina You-sun…

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Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway 40:18

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Ep. 156 Norbert Leo Butz: From Busking to Broadway Josh had an opportunity to sit down with Broadway legend Norbert Leo Butz at the Midwest Arts Xpo, and we share that conversation here. Norbert shares how he got started in the industry and the stories behind some of the roles he is known best for. Our hosts do their best to play it cool and also s…

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Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy 54:03

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Ep. 155 Bill Stanczykiewicz: The State of Philanthropy This week Kevin sits down with Bill Stanczykiewicz from Indiana University’s Lilly Family School of Philanthropy. Bill shares incredible insights into philanthropy including what philanthropy is, what the data is telling us about giving, and breaks down the changes to the tax code. Bill Stanczy…

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Ep. 154 Live From MAX – a Conversation on Ticketing 36:38

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Ep. 154 Live From MAX – a Conversation on Ticketing This week our hosts Josh, Katie, Danielle, and Kevin are coming to you LIVE from the Expo Hall at Midwest Arts Expo 2025. Our four hosts discuss ticketing. They touch on On Sale and announce schedules, ticket pricing, third party ticketing, and dynamic pricing. Follow us on social media and let us…

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Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the Field 1:02:21

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Ep. 153 Empire Training Center for the Arts: Creating a New Pipeline to the Field This week Bryan introduces us to Trish Santini and Frank Butler, co-founders of the new Empire Training Center for the Arts in Poughkeepsie, NY. We learn about Trish and Frank’s extensive and winding careers and what inspired them to create a vocational arts training …

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Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen Patrons 31:15

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Ep. 152 The Values of Next Gen Patrons This week the team and guest Kiersten Birondo talk about a recent study examining Gen Z and Millennials’ perceived cost and value of attending theater, and how we can apply the findings to marketing and audience engagement efforts in venues across the country. You can read the Broadway News article and find th…

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Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up? 28:05

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Ep. 151 Selling Out or Showing Up? The team follows up on Josh’s recent Tuesday Talk with the Ohio Arts Professionals Network (OAPN) about the value of commercial programming - how it can serve your community, support other programming financially, and broaden our industry. You can check out Josh’s Tuesday Talk with OAPN (https://oapn.org/) at http…

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Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot Headlines 28:18

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Ep. 150 There's No Business Like - Hot Headlines This week Katie, Josh, and Bryan round up and discuss some the industry headlines from the week and the implications for the field. It’s not all bad, though! We do get to chat about a certain musician whose name rhymes with Taylor and everyone’s favorite 90s uncle. Have opinions on the week’s top sto…

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Ep. 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing 1:07:33

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Ep 149 Mary Jennings: Ballet is Frickin’ Amazing This week the team learns about the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and talk about big transitions leading into Katie’s conversation with Mary Jennings, the Executive Director of the Grand Rapids Ballet. Mary and Katie talk about how to build staff and organizational culture, the impact of resident compa…

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Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable 1:00:31

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Ep. 148 Kara Hettinger: Teaching Artists are Invaluable The team is back from summer break and this week Danielle sits down with colleague Kara Hettinger, and they discuss more ways of building the future of our industry: innovations in reaching teen audiences and training and support for teaching artists. Kara is one of the founding collaborators …

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NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams 34:50

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NBL Rewind: Wone Vang: Never Give Up on Your Stupid Stupid Dreams This week we wrap our July 20205 Rewind Series as we revisit one of Danielle’s favorite conversations from Season 2, Episode 65 with Wone Vang! Kevin tries out his old-timey radio voice before sitting down with Wone Vang. Wone shares the struggle of being a full-time artist and full-…

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NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People 46:38

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NBL Rewind: Tara Bailey: Take Less Crap from People This week Bryan ensures we feature our friends from the north as we rewind to Danielle’s Season 1 conversation with Canadian agent and Friend of the Pod, Tara Bailey! On this episode Danielle sits down with agent Tara Bailey. We learn how the Grateful Dead and planning underground parties led to a…

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NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time 49:57

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NBL Rewind: Bob Bennett: Quality Takes Time This week Kevin rewinds us all the way back to Episode 32 to revisit the lessons and great advice offered by Bob Bennett in May 2023. This is also one of Katie’s favorites! Bob Bennett, and his impressive beard, join Josh for a conversation about Jazz, Jazz St. Louis, and all of the options of being part …

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NBL Rewind: The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith 48:33

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NBL Rewind: The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith This week Katie is rewinding to earlier this year and gasp! recommends you sit still and listen deeply to this one! So grab your earbuds, a pen, and comfy chair and adult beverage of choice and enjoy! This week, Kevin sits down with fundraising professional Lori L. Jacobwith to talk about …

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NBL Rewind: Micah Christian: A Process Unfolding 55:27

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NBL Rewind: Micah Christian: A Process Unfolding It’s summer vacation! The Pod Squad is taking a break and sharing some of their favorite conversations from the beach for the month of July. This week Josh rewinds to Ep. 64 with musician Micah Christian. This week Bryan sits down with the lead vocalist of Sons of Serendip, Micah Christian. Micah ope…

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Ep. 142 Investing in Our Future 48:18

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Ep 142: Investing in Our Future This week guests Paige Hernandez, Daniel Hahn, and Karoline Myers stop by the pod to talk about the importance of and creative ways of commissioning new work from both the artist and venue perspectives. Daniel and Karoline also share about a new commissioning funding model, the TYA Tour Development Collective, which …

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Ep. 141 NBL Summer Check-In 29:12

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Ep. 141 NBL Summer Check-In Join Josh, Katie, and Kevin this week as they talk about what they are thinking about in our industry – the good and the bad. We would love to hear what you are thinking about- send us an email or reach out through socials. Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusine…

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Ep. 140 Finding the Future Together 44:03

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Ep. 140 Finding the Future Together This week Danielle recaps the 2025 TYA/USA National Festival and Conference with guests Brian Fahey, Ashli St. Armant, and Sarah McCarthy. They dig into some of the best professional development sessions, major takeaways around audience investment, pay what you wish models, meeting student needs as teaching artis…

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Ep. 139 Broadway’s Biggest Night – Voting for the Tonys 50:49

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Ep. 139 Broadway’s Biggest Night – Voting for the Tonys The lights are bright on Broadway as Katie and Josh learn all about the Tony Awards from Broadway producer Rashad Chambers and the Wharton Center’s Eric Olmscheid, who both serve as Tonys voters. We discuss seeing 42 shows in a season, the voting process, Tonys marketing and press, the role th…

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Ep. 138 Christopher Kendrick-Castanho: Full Circle Moment 57:52

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Ep. 138 Christopher Kendrick-Castanho: Full Circle Moment We’re headed to Broadway this week as Danielle and Bryan talk about the Broadway League’s 2025 Spring Road Conference and arts marketing with guest Christopher Kendrick-Castanho. Christopher shares about social media and influencer marketing, some of the rising challenges in the Broadway tou…

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Ep. 137 The Pod Goes “Wildcard” 37:30

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Ep. 137 The Pod Goes “Wildcard” It’s a “choose your own adventure” discussion as Katie borrows this week’s format (with tweaks) from the NPR podcast “Wildcard” and our hosts select their questions from a deck of notecards. We reflect on our work, our current challenges, what’s bringing us joy...and the time machine is back! Share your own answers w…

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Ep. 136 State of the Arts: Montana Edition! 1:02:56

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Ep. 136 State of the Arts: Montana Edition! This week, Katie sits down with the head of a presenters consortium, the head of a state arts council, and the head of a performing arts center, all from the State of Montana, in our first ever episode focused on one singular state. They discuss how presenting in Montana is different, funding concerns, th…

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Ep. 135 Arts Data Redefined- The Conversation 33:20

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Ep. 135 Arts Data Redefined- The Conversation This week the Pod Squad shares their thoughts on Josh’s conversation with Angela Meleca, Founder and Chief Advocate Officer of Meleca Creative Associates (https://www.melecacreative.com/). They share their thoughts on the Return on Arts concept and more. If you have not listened to that interview, pleas…

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Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data Redefined 39:55

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Ep. 134 Angela Meleca: Arts Data Redefined This week Josh shares his conversation with Angela Meleca, and our hosts opt to save their commentary until next week so our listeners can sit with this one a bit longer. Angela shares her journey to where she is now, spending more time on her true passion, the Return on Art (ROA). Angela also shares how s…

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Show Me Your Ab...duction! (Shoulder Abduction, That Is) 12:58

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What did you think we were gonna say? SMH. Today's episode is all about the mighty shoulder abductors! It's a David vs. Goliath showdown between the deltoids and...you guessed it (or did you?!)... supraspinatus! Come on down to AB town for this next episode chock full of a double trouble episode for those O's, I's, and A's!…

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Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up? 34:33

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Ep. 133 What Keeps You Up? This week Barron Ryan and Jacob Deaton join Katie, Josh, and Danielle to talk about the industry and what keeps them up at night. Don’t worry, it’s not all doom and gloom, what’s keeping these folks up are big ideas! To learn more about our guests, you can listen to their full interviews: Ep. 35 Jacob Deaton: Work Hard an…

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Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear Path 57:20

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Ep. 132 Michelle Grove Herzog: There Is Not a Linear Path This week Danielle sits down with Michelle Grove Herzog to talk about going from a musician (violin) to consultant and Director of the Arts Admin Program and the University of Arizona. She shares conversations about board management, fiscal sponsorships, grants and more. The Pod Squad talks …

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Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board Reflect Your Community? 59:42

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Ep. 131 Mark Ross and Erika Finley: Does Your Board Reflect Your Community? Josh finally asks the important question, what would our hosts name their bands! Then he shares his conversation with Mark Ross and Erica Finley when they spoke at APAP 2025. Mark and Erika share how they got started in the arts, the interesting history of Community Concert…

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Ep. 130 Alex Morgan is Silencio Pantomimo: From the County Fair to Paris 23:53

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Ep. 130 Alex Morgan is Silencio Pantomimo: From the County Fair to Paris This week Bryan sits down with professional mime, Alex Morgan. Alex shares how he got into the art form, running away to Paris, and finding his character, Silencio Pantomimo. The interview really takes off when Alex allows Bryan to interview Silencio and we learn how we went f…

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The Quad Pod 16:56

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AB's back...back again! Y'all, we are excited to return with an all-new episode of Anatomy Bites. Today's episode features an exciting foursome: the quadriceps! Dive in deep or stay for just a bite of Os, Is, and As... your good old favorite origins, insertions, innervations, and actions of the rectus femoris, vastus medalis, vastus intermedius, an…

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Ep. 129 Bracket Madness: What Our Industry Can Learn From Sports Marketing. 40:03

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Ep. 129 Bracket Madness: What Our Industry Can Learn From Sports Marketing. This week the hosts go all in on March Madness sharing their prowess and knowledge of College Basketball, which does not take long so they move onto what our industry can learn from sports, more specifically sports marketing. Follow us on social media and let us know your t…

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Ep. 128 What’s Happening in D.C.? 38:09

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Ep. 128 What’s Happening in D.C.? This week Kevin, Josh, and Katie discuss Ep. 126 with James Shapiro, and connect it to what is happening with the Kennedy Center and the National Endowment for the Arts in 2025. They dive into some practical and philosophical questions surrounding the politicization of two national arts entities and potential impac…

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BONUS: James Shapiro working on Broadway’s Othello 7:16

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BONUS: James Shapiro working on Broadway’s Othello This week’s episode had too much for one episode! Enjoy this excerpt that was cut for time where James Shapiro talks about his work on performances, specifically Othello featuring Denzel Washington. James Shapiro (https://www.jamesshapiro.net/) is the author “THE PLAYBOOK: A Story of Theatre, Democ…

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Ep. 126 “The Playbook” with Author James Shapiro 42:55

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Ep. 126 “The Playbook” with Author James Shapiro This week Katie is joined by author, professor, and Shakespeare Scholar in Residence at the Public Theatre, James Shapiro. They talk about Shapiro’s new book “THE PLAYBOOK: A Story of Theatre, Democracy, and The Making of a Culture War” which is the story of the start and end of the Federal Theatre P…

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Ep. 125 The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith 46:17

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Ep. 125 The State of Development with Lori L. Jacobwith This week, Kevin sits down with fundraising professional Lori L. Jacobwith to talk about the changing development landscape. Lori shares her top 5 things you can do right now and gives insight into the world of philanthropy. If you want to go deeper on the topic with Lori, you can check out he…

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Ep. 124 Of, By, and For Community – A Discussion about Community Engagement 43:39

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Ep. 124 Of, By, and For Community – A Discussion about Community Engagement This week Katie invites industry leaders Donna Walker-Kuhne, Gary Minyard, and Marisol Sánchez-Best to discuss community engagement – a broad term that touches many facets of our industry. This delightful conversation between colleagues and friends just scratches the surfac…

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Ep. 123 What’s Next? The Pod Goes Rogue 9:10

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Ep. 123 What’s Next? The Pod Goes Rogue The Pod Squad has been hosting the most amazing podcast (we know we’re biased!) for over two years – and it’s time to shake up the format. Listen for what’s next for There’s No Business Like... and give us your feedback via our audience survey! We’d love to hear your ideas for topics, guests, and more. Fill o…

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Ep. 122 What Now? Our Current Moment in the Arts 19:14

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Ep. 122 What Now? Our Current Moment in the Arts This week we discuss the current state of the arts in early February 2025 and identify a few of the many challenges ahead for our field, including the strain on arts workers after recovering from the pandemic, as well as how we can stand together moving forward. As some of our podcast friends say, th…

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Ep. 121 Live from MAX – State of the Industry 25:31

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Ep. 121 Live from MAX – State of the Industry This week we share the final episode recorded at the Midwest Arts Xpo in 2024. Our guests: Lauren Jelencovich, Artist Kris Kaminski, ECE Touring Andy McGuire, George Daily Community Auditorium Lisa Rock, Lisa Rock Entertainment Marc Baylin, Penn Live Arts and Collins Center for the Arts Sara Beatty, Kau…

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Ep. 120 Melanie Weir: They Don’t All Become Artists 56:34

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Ep. 120 Melanie Weir: They Don’t All Become Artists This week our hosts talk about obscure reports they gave in school, most of which involved dressing up as historical figures. Katie shares her conversation with Melanie Weir from the Western Arts Alliance Conference. Melanie shares the incredible work happening at the Luther Burbank Center for the…

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Ep. 119 APAP Recap 2025 38:47

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Ep. 119 APAP Recap 2025 This week Katie hosts a conversation with the PodSquad on their time in NYC at APAP 2025. We talk Broadway, showcases, and conference hot topics! Follow us on social media and let us know your thoughts and questions – https://linktr.ee/nobusinesslikepod Our theme song is composed by Vic Davi.…

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Ep. 118 Chad Lindsey: Togetherness is Our Strength 1:03:35

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Ep. 118 Chad Lindsey: Togetherness is Our Strength On this episode, we learn what song our hosts would choose as their walkout music, and Katie sits down with fellow Michigander Chad Lindsey. As a new arts Executive Director, Chad shares insights into his first year and how he has connected with his community. Chad also puts to rest the idea that y…

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Ep. 117 Censorship with Gail Boyd and Jade Solomon Curtis 33:41

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Ep. 117 Censorship with Gail Boyd and Jade Solomon Curtis This week Kevin shares his conversation with Gail Boyd and Jade Solomon Curtis following a townhall event on censorship at the Western Arts Alliance in August, 2024. Censorship is a complex topic, and this conversation only scratches the surface. Gail Boyd is President of Gail Boyd Artist Ma…

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Ep. 116 NBL Rewind Josh Benson: Making Time 53:39

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Ep. 116 NBL Rewind Josh Benson: Making Time We’ve rewound alllll the way back to Josh’s interview from July 19, 2023 in our final episode of our holiday Rewind series. Danielle visits Josh and catches up on his latest developments, including painting some amazing murals in Marion and cutting back on his 27 gigs…by 1. Join Danielle and Kevin as they…