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You built a successful surface business—countertops, flooring, tile, or supply—but now it feels like the business owns you. Driven For Growth is the podcast for surface industry leaders ready to install the systems, team, and structure to scale without burning out. If you’re tired of being the bottleneck, this show will help you lead with clarity and take back control.
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Commercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.
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The Fab Lab

Fabricators Friend

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Running a stone shop is HARD. I make it easier. I give resources to help you reduce frustration and increase profits in your stone shop. Visit www.AaronCrowley.com and get the first 3 chapters of my book ”Less Chaos More Cash” for free!
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Let us tell you a mysterious tale, woven into the fabric of time.. Each week on our podcast we will take a look at a unique and fascinating piece of history. As gruesome, mysterious or unbelievable that these tales may sound, one thing is for sure...these events happened, these people existed and these places have made their mark on our historical landscapes.
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Israel: The Land of Resilience” invites you on a journey through a country where history and innovation converge at every turn, creating a unique laboratory for human resilience. As your Israeli tour guide, I’ll take you beyond the typical tourist routes (though I know those pretty well too) to discover the authentic stories and unexpected wisdom found across this small but remarkably diverse land. Each episode explores a different region of Israel – from the hills of the Galilee where farme ...
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A lone voice. A fractured past. A forbidden truth. In the realm of Trexlin, where Focus - the essence of magic- and time is overseen by the mysterious Temporials, one rogue begins to uncover secrets that could unravel the very fabric of the world. Whispers from the Anchor is a psychological fantasy thriller told through recovered voicestone recordings left behind by a disillusioned Free Thinker. As he delves deeper into the lost history of Lassdi—a god who sacrified herself for peace—he unco ...
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Gary Williams

Dr. Gary L. Williams Sr.

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Dr. Gary L. Williams, Sr. accepted Christ as his personal Savior at the age of nine. He is a native of Jacksonville, Florida, and the younger of two sons born to Alfreda Williams and the late Rev. Roosevelt Williams. Pastor Gary Williams is no stranger to the ministry. In 1990, Dr. Williams accepted the call to become the pastor of First Baptist Church of Mandarin. He has the longest tenure as Pastor of the First Church. He seeks to transform the lives of many through the simplicity of the g ...
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LOADED DICE ROLLERS Season 3 - Includes Guest Stars: Peter Adkison owner of Gen Co and Founder of Wizards of the West Coast, The Show Offs star McClain Nelson, The CW's Adam Johnson, Pixel Dice creator and Fallout and Skyrim programer, Jean Simonet, Astral Table Top's Jon Irons, Comedian Traci Stumph, Voice Over talent K Beau Foster, Actor David Air, Actress Ginny Loveday and much much more! Season 3 is an all new take where 3 souls from season 1 are sent back to do it again from Pharasma an ...
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Content Warning: The story this week revolves around the central plot point of a dog's death. This week on WTFolklore, we read The Dog and the Sparrow, another Grimm tale that has somehow yet alluded our eyeballs...but no longer! Suggested talking points: The Tortoise and the Highlander, A Private Collection of Spheres, KrampusCon, Bart Simpson's G…
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In this episode, I sit down with third-generation stone shop owner Mike Ganassa for a candid look at the realities of running and growing a fabrication business today. Mike shares what it was like stepping into the family business, the hardest parts of managing a shop, and the turning point that pushed him to start building systems instead of tryin…
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Season 4, Episode 12: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Jon Schultz, Co-Founder and Managing Principal of Onyx Equities, one of the Northeast’s most active private real estate firms. Schultz—known for turning around complex office, industrial, and retail assets—shares how Onyx repositions properties, adapts across cycles, and captures value …
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This week on WTFolklore, we read The Lambikin, originally an Indian story, retold as an Irish story, that we then wrestle into the shape of a Thanksgiving story. Suggested talking points: Gordie's House of Pain, Garfield Shrugged, Bored Halfway Through a Burger, Sillybles, Spending Corn to Make Corn, Patrick Bateman Visits Grandma, A Turkey in the …
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If your revenue is up but your stress is too, this episode is for you. In this Hot Seat Session, Wes and I unpack why so many successful surface business owners end up stuck in firefighter mode and feeling like the “default system” holding everything together, and what to do about it. In this episode, we cover: The Owner Overload Loop and why growt…
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Travel by road in a stagecoach in the 17th and 18th centuries in England if you dare.. you'd better arm yourself well for there are highwaymen out there! We all take travel for granted these days, but there was once a time not so long ago where a simple journey could cost you your life. Who were these mysterious highwaymen, these larger than life c…
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Season 4, Episode 11: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Yaakov Zar, Founder & CEO of Lev, to unpack how a former tech entrepreneur is changing the way commercial real estate deals get done. Before launching Lev, Yaakov built and sold his first company, Dispatch, to Vista Equity Partners. Today, he’s at the center of CRE’s tech transformation…
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What makes a community resilient enough to survive and thrive despite constant challenges? This episode takes you to Mount Carmel and the city of Haifa, where diverse communities have built something genuinely remarkable – a functioning model of coexistence in one of the world's most conflict-ridden regions. We explore three powerful historical mom…
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In this episode, I sit down with Logan Sharbono of 2Gen Hardwood to break down one of the most powerful transformations we have seen inside Driven for Growth. Logan went from a feast-or-famine operator, burnt out and stuck in hero mode, to leading a stable, fast-growing hardwood company that doubled revenue in under a year. We unpack the mindset sh…
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Season 4, Episode 10: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Winston Fisher, Partner at Fisher Brothers, one of New York’s most iconic private real estate firms with over 100 years of ownership, development, and management across the city skyline. Winston shares how he’s helping steer the fourth-generation firm into its next era. bridging traditi…
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In this first Hot Seat Session, Wes and I dig into the real problems surface business owners are facing when things slow down. We cover how to quickly generate sales from your existing pipeline, why you must build a simple marketing machine (like Meta Ads) instead of relying on word of mouth, and how to stand out without racing to the bottom on pri…
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This week on WTFolklore, we read Vukub-Cakix, a Mayan tale that purports to be about "Twin Hero-Wizards". We purport they are neither. Suggested talking points: Make N' Shake, Forgive Me For the Blow Dart (and the Strangling...), Nobody Eats Plums, We Are Famous Doctors Trust Us, Licensed to Stethoscope, It Sounds Like Overkill Because It Is, Mount…
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Season 4, Episode 9: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Seth Weissman, Founder and Managing Partner of Urban Standard Capital, to unpack how a former Goldman Sachs and Perry Capital investor built one of New York’s leading private-credit and development platforms. Weissman shares how his equity background shaped Urban Standard’s design-driven…
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Most business owners think culture is about team bonding, company barbecues, “family-oriented” vibes, and values written on the wall. But culture isn’t what you say, it’s what your team believes. In this episode, I break down the three hidden layers that actually shape your company culture using a simple framework: What Your Team Sees – the behavio…
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It's back to business-as-usual this week on WTFolklore as we re-calibrate our fairy tale senses with some good ol' fashion eastern european fare, The Glass Mountain, which stars a guy dressed as Hugh Jackman, who is dressed as Jack Black, who is dressed as a school boy. Suggested talking points: A Farquaad Wandering Amongst the Furries, Schrödinger…
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Season 4, Episode 8: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Alicia Glen, Founder of M Squared, former Deputy Mayor for Housing and Economic Development in NYC, and Co-Chair of the Gateway Development Commission, to unpack what it really takes to get housing and infrastructure built in America. Glen brings a rare insider view on how public and pri…
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DISCLAIMER: Gordie lost about half of his audio recording this week, so we had to improvise. See if you can guess the parts that got re-recorded! Spooklore 2025 draws to a close this week, and we have another WTFolklore-exclusive, custom made Cryptid tale for you! Join us as we venture to the most terrifying location in North America...New Jersey..…
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Season 4, Episode 7: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Sharon Wilson Géno, President of the National Multifamily Housing Council (NMHC), the leading voice for America’s apartment industry in Washington. She explains how NMHC is tackling today’s biggest issues—affordability, regulation, and capital—while separating signal from noise on rent c…
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It is the late Anglo-Saxon period and the Heathen Army, the Vikings, are again raiding English shores. Now, they are targeting English towns, cities and its people with precision...invasion is near. King Aethelred The Unready, the Anglo-Saxon King must repel them..but how? His solution, borne out of desperation or bad advise is drastic, it is bruta…
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interviewed John Schaeffer, owner of The Granite Shop, on the Driven For Growth Podcast. We talked about his experience inside the 90-Day Growth Engine Program™ and the results he’s created since joining. John also shared stories from his early days in business. He started as a one-man show, with a Blue Ripper, a tilt table, and a forklift with no …
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Spooklore 2025 continues this week, with a bit of a twist. Rather than continually avoiding every instance of a "This is a THING, and here are it's SCARY FEATURES" type stories, Carman has elected to assemble her own folktale about one such THING, The Santa Compaña. So enjoy this custom-made spooky story! Suggested talking points: Spooktralizer Pri…
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Season 4, Episode 6: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Cliff Booth, founder and chairman of Westmount Realty Capital, for a straight-talking look at four decades of success in industrial real estate. Cliff shares how he built one of the most resilient portfolios in the game and what it really takes to stay ahead when the market turns volatil…
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Many stone, tile, and flooring shop owners reach a point where the business is running well — but growth just brings more demands on the owner. More questions. More issues. More fires to put out. That’s where John from The Granite Shop was when he joined the 90-Day Growth Engine Program™ He had already built a solid operation and some freedom, but …
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Today we’re featuring our friends at LoopNet’s In The Loop, a podcast spotlighting the people, ideas, and innovations shaping the future of work. Check them out wherever you listen to podcasts. ----more---- How can workplaces endure ecologically, financially, and socially? In this episode of In the Loop, Jordan Goldstein, co-CEO of Gensler, explore…
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Spooklore begins in earnest this week, as we read what may well be the earliest-recorded Found Footage ghost story, The Haunting of Athenodorus, or as we elected to call it, "Ghost Hunters: Ancient Athens Edition". Suggested talking points: A Barbershop Quartet of Air Horns, A Gas Station for Mimes, Eldritch Horny, The Clanking of the Whimbus, Haun…
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Season 4, Episode 5: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Ben Miller, CEO and Co-Founder of Fundrise, to reveal how technology is transforming commercial real estate investing and changing how retail investors access private markets. Ben shares the story behind Fundrise’s rise to over $7 billion in real estate assets, why commercial real estate…
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Season 4, Episode 4: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Brian Pieracci, Head of North American Private Real Estate Equity at Heitman, to examine why alternatives are reshaping commercial real estate portfolios and outperforming traditional core assets. Brian shares how Heitman pioneered allocations towards self-storage, medical offices, senio…
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This is part three of our Three Stages of Stuck miniseries, and today we’re diving into one of the most frustrating stages of growth: The Growth Gridlock Ceiling. At this level, your business is doing well on paper. You’ve got people, processes, and revenue, but growth has stalled. The cracks are showing in quality, communication, and margins. You’…
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This week we return to our good friend Carl Sandburg for a Rootabega-adjacent story, The Haystack Cricket, and How Things Are Different Up in the Moon Towns. If you like random sounds strung together with no evident rhyme or reason, buddy look no further than a Carl Sandburg story... Suggested talking points: A Lamp Shaped Like a Scary Arm, A Leath…
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Season 4, Episode 3: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Kevin Heras, CEO of InvestNext, to explore how a Detroit-built platform is reshaping how real estate firms raise and manage capital. Kevin shares his path from Spain to Michigan Tech to the early Handshake days, then explains the first InvestNext prototype and why standardizing subscript…
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We are joined this week by very special guest T. Kingfisher! We had to call in back-up to wade our way through Princess Miranda and Prince Hero, a Polish tale featuring everyone's favorite creep, Koschei the Deathless. It also features a hero (named Hero) who makes some staggeringly questionable inventory-management choices on his quest. Suggested …
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Anglo-Saxon Britain is under siege from a new threat from across the North Sea...the Great Viking Hoard. Fearsome warriors who are hellbent on claiming the rich and fertile lands of England for themselves. One Anglo-Saxon king, King Alfred The Great, stands up to them. He must protect his beloved kingdom of Wessex from annihilation. Join us, as we …
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Season 4, Episode 2: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Rick Schaupp, Managing Director at Clarion Partners, for an inside look at one of the country’s largest private real estate investment managers. Rick traces his path from architecture and urban design to managing Clarion’s $70B platform, shares what it was like to start his career during…
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Most stone, tile, and flooring business owners eventually hit a stage where growth doesn’t make life easier—it makes it heavier. You’re still the one approving jobs, chasing estimates, juggling schedules, and putting out fires. That’s the Owner Overload Loop. In this episode, Justin Shaw shares a 5-step playbook to break free, buy back your time, a…
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After talking about some crucial current events (read: Stuart Little Lore), we dive into The Little Purse with Two Half-Pennies, a Romanian tale with some stunning revelations about Project Birdfall's humble beginnings. Suggested talking points: An Awkward Starbucks Date with Spiderman, Skateboarding up the Wrong Tree, Geriatrics Anonymous, Chief C…
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Journey along Israel's Mediterranean coastline, where ancient civilizations learned that survival depends not on rigid resistance to change, but on the art of flowing like water. From the biblical confrontation between David and Goliath to the modern challenges facing Israel's most densely populated region, the coastal plain has been humanity's lab…
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Season 4, Episode 1: We’re back with a brand-new season of No Cap — and we’re starting big. Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Owen Thomas, CEO of BXP and the largest office landlord in the United States, to launch Season 4 in style. From a Virginia dairy farm to Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, and now leading the country’s largest office la…
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