For deep thinkers who want to live fully. Go past the stereotypes and delve into what it's really like to navigate life and personal growth as an Enneagram Type 5. Join Cody Harris (5w6 SP/SX/SO) and Josiah Goff (5w4 SO/SX/SP), as well as a community of other Fives, as we explore a different aspect of life as a Five in each episode. If you're a Five who wants to better understand yourself, or you have a Five in your life that you want to get closer to, then this podcast is for you.
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In 1899, a medical doctor summoned to the ancestral home of her old flame uncovers his family’s dark history and the devastating consequences of truths kept secret for generations. The Lost Son is a limited event audio drama series inspired by gothic horror stories and classic monster novels, and stars Bonnie Bogovich, Carter Calahan, Ethan Goff, and Josiah Robinson. The series is written and directed by Cole Burgett.
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Five Moms: What is Motherhood Like for an Enneagram 5?
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1:12:17What happens when you're a Five and a mom? This week’s episode is a special podcast takeover by Enneagram experts Sam E. Greenberg, PhD and Melissa Kircher—both Fives and both moms. They swap stories, laugh about their quirks, and get painfully honest about the challenges and strengths of navigating motherhood as a Five. Whether you’re a Five paren…
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Informational Obsessions: Why do Enneagram 5s Love to Fall Down Rabbit Holes?
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59:56Some rabbit holes are deeper than others, and as Fives we often fall in headfirst. In this episode, we explore the obsessive way Fives pursue information: how it starts, what fuels it, and what happens when it spirals out of control. We share personal stories of late-night research binges, conspiracy rabbit holes, and the paradox of being both empo…
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Emotional Intelligence: How Do We Develop Empathy and Awareness as an Enneagram 5?
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48:34We Fives often pride ourselves on intellect, but emotional intelligence is a whole different skill set. In this episode, Sam E. Greenberg, PhD. joins us to explore what emotional intelligence actually means, why it's challenging for Fives, and how our relationships have pushed us to grow. We share real-life stories about misreading emotions, strugg…
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Friends of Fives: What's it Like to Be Lifelong Friends with an Enneagram 5?
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59:39Fives often feel like outsiders, but what if the group we’ve always longed for already exists? In this episode, we invite two longtime friends to join us for a candid conversation about what it’s really like to be friends with a Five. From hilarious stories to hard truths, we explore the highs and lows of maintaining deep, long-term friendships—esp…
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[LIVE] Do Fives Secretly Want to Be Seen?
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59:53In this live episode, we explore a surprising tension many Fives feel: the deep desire to be known and understood, and the equally strong instinct to hide. We unpack what’s really behind our aversion to vulnerability, how our subtypes shape this dynamic, and what it takes to show up even when we’d rather stay in our heads. We also check in on how w…
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Friendship: Why is it Hard to Make Friends as an Enneagram 5?
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1:28:27Fives pride ourselves on independence, but friendship requires letting people in. In this honest and deeply personal episode, we explore what friendship means to us as Fives—and why it’s so complicated. We share stories of how our personalities have made friendship harder, how we’ve grown to value it more, and the unexpected ways we’re learning to …
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This is an After Thoughts episode, an unstructured, unedited debrief of everything we didn't say in the last episode—this time unpacking our conversation on intuition. And boy, does this one take some turns... We get into how our Five wings shape the way we approach intuition, with Josiah leaning more into the mystical side while Cody stays grounde…
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Intuition: Can You Trust Your Gut as an Enneagram 5?
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50:56Fives rely on analysis and clarity, but intuition offers something logic can't: a deeper wisdom that defies explanation. In this episode, we explore what intuition is, why Fives struggle to trust it, and how embracing it can positively influence our lives. We share our personal experiences with intuition, examine how it's different from emotional d…
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[LIVE] Can Enneagram 5s be Expressive and Outgoing?
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59:29Can Fives really be expressive and outgoing? The stereotype says no—but we’re here to challenge that idea. In this episode, we unpack the myth that Fives are always quiet, reserved, and withdrawn, and we share our own experiences of learning to express ourselves in the world. Plus, we introduce a new structure for our live episodes, featuring a mix…
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Anxiety: How Do We Handle Feeling Anxious as an Enneagram 5?
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1:07:31Fives value logic and control, but anxiety challenges both. In this episode, we explore how Fives experience anxiety, why we often rationalize instead of feeling it, and how avoiding it can make things worse. We share personal stories, unexpected ways anxiety manifests in the body, and strategies that have helped us manage it—including some unconve…
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What's your attachment style as a Type 5? In this season finale episode, Sam E. Greenberg joins us again to walk us through Attachment Theory and what we can learn about being a Five by studying the different Attachment Styles. If the Enneagram has helped you as a Five and you're curious about another framework you can use to better understand your…
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What keeps Type 5s from connecting? In this episode, we delve into Josiah's experience of identifying and dismantling the things that were holding him back from connecting with others, and why connection is so important for Fives. If you've ever found it difficult to connect with others as a Five, then this episode is for you. Want to know what oth…
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Are you on the spectrum or are you a Type 5? In this episode, we join Sam E. Greenberg to explore the overlap of traits between being a Five and being on the autism spectrum. We also talk through Cody's experience of being diagnosed with Asperger's and how that shows up for him as a Five. If you've ever wondered about the difference between being a…
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How do Type 5's feel about commitment? In this episode we share how we've handled various types of commitment as Fives and how we might approach commitment in a way that doesn't burn us out. If you've ever struggled with commitment as a Five, this episode is for you. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.c…
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How do Type 5s feel about incompetance? In this episode, we delve into why we get so triggered when people around us are incompatent, why Fives have a fear of incompetance, and what steps we can take to start overcoming this fear. If feeling incompatent has ever held you back as a Five, then this episode is definitely for you. Want to know what oth…
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How do Type 5s handle being part of a family? In this episode, we delve into what family life was like growing up as Fives, how useful the internal family systems framework is, and what we want our own family dynamics to be. And we talk about Josiah's hair for like 20 full minutes for some reason. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this…
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What do Type 5s think about therapy? In this episode, we sit down with Liz Landry, friend of the show and licensed therapist, to talk through what to expect from therapy as a Five, what has held us back from going to therapy in the past, and how to find a therapist that works for you. If you've ever considered therapy as a Five but have been on the…
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This is is our most requested episode to date, so we gave the crowd what they wanted. And it's a bunch of nonsense, so you're welcome :-) The Newsletter Built for Fives 🔹 Get weekly insights tailored for your overactive mind. 🔹 Practical strategies to stop overthinking and start engaging. 🔹 Growth, connection, and energy management—without the fluf…
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How do Type 5s deal with feeling down? In this episode, we dive into what it feels like to be depressed as a Five, various triggers that cause us to feel down, and some techniques we've used to climb back out of the abyss. If you've ever struggled with depression as a Five, then this episode is for you. Want to know what other Fives are saying abou…
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What are the nine levels of health for a Type 5? In this episode, we join once again with our good friend Sam E. Greenberg, PhD (a.k.a the Enneagram Sexpert) to deep dive on the levels of health and what they mean for Fives. If you've ever wondered why one moment you feel like a sage and the next moment like a schizoid, then this episode is for you…
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What do Type 5's think of conspiracy theories? In this episode, we dig into Josiah's philosophy of conspiracy theories and why they're so important for Fives (and everyone, according to him). So grab your tin foil hat and join us as we see how far down the rabbit hole goes. Note: For more info on this topic, check out Wendigoon's Conspiracy Theory …
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How do Fives feel about Politics? To kick off Season 4, we unleash our inner anarchists and share our own political journeys, as we resist the urge to burn the system down and instead focus on building something new. If you have political opinions but never share them because you feel like it's pointless, then this episode is for you. Note: For a d…
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Weaver (Ethan Goff) closes in on Andrew (Carter Calahan), while Emily (Bonnie Bogovich) and Arthur (Josiah Robinson) uncover the Ballard family's darkest secrets. Lives are lost and terrible truths are made known in the series finale of The Lost Son! Official transcript available here. Episode Credits: Bonnie Bogovich as Emily Goodwin Carter Calaha…
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As Emily (Bonnie Bogovich) and Arthur (Josiah Robinson) try to help Andrew (Carter Calahan), matters are complicated by the arrival of a menacing Pinkerton detective (Ethan Goff) determined to pin the murder of John Ballard on the Ballard family's only remaining heir. Official transcript available here. Episode Credits: Bonnie Bogovich as Emily Goo…
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In 1899, Dr. Emily Goodwin (Bonnie Bogovich) is summoned to the home of Andrew Ballard (Carter Calahan), an old flame. With help from the local coroner, Arthur Darrows (Josiah Robinson), she begins investigating the history of the Ballard family and its possible connection to the harrowing events plaguing the New York countryside. Official transcri…
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Why are some Type 5's so different from others? In this season finale episode, we bring back Sam Greenberg, aka the Enneagram Sexpert, to deep dive on the Social, Sexual, and Self-Preservation subtypes of Type 5 and how instinctual stacking works. You also get to listen in as we attempt to figure out our own subtype stackings in real time. If you'r…
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How do Type 5's deal with uncertainty? In this episode, we talk about how we handle uncertain times as fives and what we can do to thrive rather than spiral. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/26 to join the conversation! The Newsletter Built for Fives 🔹 Get weekly insights tailored for your overact…
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Want to know what life is like as a female Type 5? In this episode, we interview 3 female Fives from our community about their unique experiences, what motherhood is like as a Five, and what advice they would give to other female Fives like them. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/25 to join the con…
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Is life meaningless? Does anything matter? In this episode, we unpack why Type 5s tend to embrace nihilism and how we can live with the absurdity of our existence. Yay! Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/24 to join the conversation! The Newsletter Built for Fives 🔹 Get weekly insights tailored for y…
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Here is a sneak peek at the upcoming limited event audio drama series, The Lost Son, presented by series creator Cole Burgett! The series releases Oct. 25!By Nocturn Productions
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Ever wonder what those lines are coming out of Type 5 on the Enneagram? In this episode, we share our experiences integrating to 8 and disintegrating to 7, as well as the pros and cons of each. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/23 to join the conversation! The Newsletter Built for Fives 🔹 Get weekl…
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Do you feel like you fit in anywhere as a Type 5? In this episode, we delve into what it means to have a community, why it's often so difficult to feel like we belong to any group, and how we've overcome the challenges of fitting in. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/22 to join the conversation! Th…
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How do Type 5's handle grief? In this episode, we bring professional therapist Liz Landry back onto the show to unpack how we grief, why grief should be understood outside the context of death, what to do when people around you are grieving, and whether or not it's weird that death doesn't bother Josiah. This conversation is comprised of segments o…
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What do Type 5's think about death? In this episode we delve into our personal experiences dealing with death and the thought of dying ourselves, and dig into why death bothers some of us more than others. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/20 to join the conversation! The Newsletter Built for Fives…
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How do Type 5's feel about sex? In this season finale episode, we get real vulnerable with the Enneagram Sexpert, Sam E. Greenberg, to deep dive on: What a Five is like as a sexual partner How Five subtypes and wings differ sexually Navigating sexual relationships with other types How to transcend sexual hangups as a Five Achieving your ecstatic se…
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Why do Type 5's seem so private? In this episode we delve into how we balance the tension between gating what personal details others get access to and being vulnerable with those we feel have earned our trust. And we learn that after a couple of glasses of wine Josiah can't pronounce the word 'anonymity'. Want to know what other Fives are saying a…
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How do Type 5's navigate our education system? In this episode we share our education journeys as Fives and the various challenges of growing up homeschooled vs public schooled. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/17 to join the conversation! The Newsletter Built for Fives 🔹 Get weekly insights tailo…
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Join us as we chat with Cody's brother, Jesse, about science as a career path, growing up as a Five, how we can actually know anything, and how to use curiosity to connect with others. This conversation is comprised of segments originally recorded as a live video stream for our Enneagram Five: After Hours podcast. To view the unedited live stream, …
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Have you ever wondered if you might be a sociopath? In this episode, we chat with Liz Landry, a clinical psychologist, about what it really means to be a sociopath and whether Cody fits the bill. This conversation is comprised of segments originally recorded as a live video stream for our Enneagram Five: After Hours podcast. To view the unedited li…
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Ever wonder what it's like to be in a relationship with a Type 5? In this episode, Cody and Josiah turn the tables and interview their significant others, Madison and Amy, to find out what are the biggest advantages and challenges of being with a Five. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/14 to join t…
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How do we view romantic relationships as Fives? In this episode we delve into our journeys of learning how to navigate personal relationships when we're so apt to push people away. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/13 to join the conversation! The Newsletter Built for Fives 🔹 Get weekly insights ta…
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What do Type 5s think about religion and spirituality? In this conversation, we share our stories of growing up in religion, leaving the church, and how we've dealt with life thereafter as Fives. Whether you're religious, spiritual, or none of the above, if you've ever contemplated what it means to engage (or disengage) with faith as Five then you'…
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Can Fives ever be truly happy? In this conversation, we talk about what it means to be happy as a Five and whether that's a state of being that is attainable and sustainable for us. If you've ever questioned your ability to be a happy person, you'll definitely want to listen to this episode. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episo…
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How do we care for ourselves as Type 5s? In this conversation, we explore the habits and activities we can do to energize us as Fives and maintain a more balanced, healthy life. If you've ever felt burned out as a Five, you'll definitely want to listen to this whole episode. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagr…
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What do UFOs have to do with being a Type 5? In this episode, we explore how we elevate our rational minds as Fives, sometimes to the point where it can prevent us from being open to new paradigms if it means we risk being seen as incompetent. And of course we also have some fun going down the rabbit hole of the UFO phenomenon. Want to know what ot…
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While normally we like to move past the Type 5 stereotypes, in this conversation we change things up a bit and talk about some of our favorite fictional Fives. Join us as we discuss which characters we relate to most as Fives and which ones we don't (some of them might surprise you). Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visi…
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Is there an ideal career for a Type 5? There are definitely the obvious professions, like scientist, researcher, computer programmer, etc. But, are those the only type of jobs that a Five will actually enjoy? In this conversation, we delve into our career paths and discuss which jobs best suited us as Fives and which ones we couldn’t stand. We also…
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What does being a Type 5 mean when it comes to creativity? In this conversation, we break down our unique creative strengths as Fives, as well as the biggest things that hold us back creatively. Bonus: Cody gives us an exclusive behind the scenes look at his creative process for producing the music for this podcast. Whether you're a naturally creat…
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Wait, aren't all Type 5's cranky hermits? Nope! Not at all. But, as you probably already know, we do tend to crave solitude to different degrees at different times. In this episode, we delve into how we Fives go about making space for solitude in our lives, as well as what can happen when too much solitude leads to isolation. If you're a Five who l…
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What's the best and worst thing about being an Enneagram Type 5 parent? In this conversation we delve into the pros and cons of parenting, what it's like being a Five parent, and if it's worth the effort. And we laugh. A LOT 😆 If you're a Five parent or you've ever wondered what it would be like to have kids as a Five, then you'll definitely want t…
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