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Road to the Trials

Peter Bromka, Lindsey Hein, and Matt Chittim

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Co-hosts Matt Chittim, Lindsey Hein, and Peter Bromka interview every 2028 Olympic Marathon Trials Qualifier along with a wide-ranging group of industry professionals in preparation for the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles.
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A running podcast dedicated to conversation, commentary, and fun. Our team has someone for everything, from pros to amateurs, track nerds to ultra athletes, shoe experts, and coaches. We love discussing all-things running with enough hilarious tangents to keep you on your toes. Like being on your favorite group run with friends. The Relay team of contributors includes Kofuzi, Stefanie Flippin, Lindsey Hein, Laura Thweatt, Tommie Runz, Peter Bromka, Marcus Brown, and Matt Chittim.
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Business & Sports Discourse

Matt Chittim and Jason Macaluso

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Join hosts Matt Chittim and Jason Macaluso as they bring you up to speed on the leading stories at the intersection of business and endurance sports. Matt and Jason deliver breaking news, as well as deep dives and guest interviews on the topics that are impacting the endurance sports world. So pour yourself a cup of coffee and plug into the BSD.
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In this episode, I have the pleasure of speaking with Ashley Mateo about her new venture, RUNHER Magazine. We delve into the inspiration behind the magazine, the challenges of launching a print publication in a digital age, and the importance of storytelling in women's running. Ashley shares her journey from frustration with the male-dominated medi…
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Will Norris joins Road to the Trials after winning the Twin Cities Marathon and punching his ticket to his third U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials. In this conversation with hosts Peter Bromka and Lindsey Hein, Will shares what it felt like to finally win a race he’s chased for years, what he’s learned through the ups and downs of marathon training, and…
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Gabi Rooker joins Lindsey Hein and Matt Chittim fresh off her ninth-place finish at the 2025 Chicago Marathon, where she was the third American woman and ran a 2:26 marathon to secure her qualifying time for the 2028 U.S. Olympic Trials. Gabi’s rise in the sport has been nothing short of incredible. She ran her first marathon in 2021, clocking 2:54…
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The Relay crew is back recapping everything from the 2024 Chicago Marathon weekend — from Conner Mantz’s near-perfect American record run to the grin heard ‘round the world from Jacob Kiplimo. The crew also covers: What it’s like spectating when your videos look like found-footage horror films The announcer pronunciation debacles (Tosh vs. Tosh!) M…
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In this episode, I sit down with Lauren Floris, head coach at Pepperdine University, to explore her journey in balancing coaching, family, and personal running goals. Lauren shares her ambitions to set personal records from the mile to the marathon and discusses the challenges and strategies involved in training, fueling, and maintaining motivation…
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Jane Bareikis joins Road to the Trials fresh off her win at the Twin Cities Marathon, becoming the first female qualifier of this Olympic Trials window. A 2:29 marathoner (Berlin 2023), Jane is a mother and coached by her husband. She grew up in Kenya and didn’t start running until 2017, after having her son. Jane competed in her first U.S. Olympic…
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Hosts Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka welcome Nick Hauger—pro marathoner, coach, and newly minted 2028 U.S. Olympic Trials qualifier—fresh off his 2:11:48 at the Berlin Marathon, good for 15th overall. Hauger explains why the result is both “objectively his best marathon” and a touch bittersweet: he trained with a clear eye on 2:09, adjusted on race …
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In this episode, I dive into the importance of strength training for runners with Brodie Sharpe. We explore how strength training can enhance running performance and discuss the balance between injury prevention and performance improvement. Brodie shares insights from research and personal experience, emphasizing the role of strength training in im…
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This week on group chat, we have Lindsey Hein, Matt Chittim, and Peter Bromka. Episode Rundown: Boulderthon recap Travel-to-race vs PR-chasing mindset Boston Marathon cutoff talk and tightening standards Chicago Marathon expo plans and live show plug Trail and Ultra World Championships VKs, 200-mile races, and why they’re surprisingly watchable Roa…
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As Relay's first-ever Team USA competitor, we couldn't resist the chance to dive deep with Erika into the whole experience, including the heat, humidity, ice hats, and pacing strategies. Sunglasses, after parties, and all things Tokyo. Running in the heat is TOUGH! But this was a fun one. If we missed anything leave a question in the comments and w…
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In this episode, hosts Matt Chittim, Peter Bromka, and Lindsey Hein sit down with legendary coach James McKirdy, the founder of McKirdy Trained. Over the past decade, McKirdy has built one of the most recognizable and influential coaching groups in the U.S., guiding dozens of athletes to Olympic Trials Qualifiers and shaping the way amateur runners…
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This week on group chat, we have Tommie, Kofuzi, Peter, Erika, and Marcus. Episode Rundown: The extreme Tokyo heat and humidity and how it affected athletes and fans Marathon experiences, aid station violations, and Susanna Sullivan’s race Standout events: men’s and women’s steeplechase, women’s 800m, men’s 1500m, men’s 400 hurdles Mondo Duplantis …
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Charlie Watson shares her exhilarating experience at the Sydney Marathon, highlighting her unique racing strategy that led to a surprisingly fast finish. She discusses the importance of mindset, strength training, and nutrition in her preparation, and how letting go of expectations allowed her to enjoy the race and perform beyond her goals. Charlie…
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In this motivating conversation, Molly Huddle shares how she cultivated a racing mindset that helped her become one of the fiercest racers, and best runners, of her generation. Sponsors ASICS - Check-out the new METASPEED Edge and Sky Tokyo along with the newly released Megablast and Sonicblast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.asics.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠…
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Today on group chat, we have Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka. Episode Rundown: Erika Kemp in Tokyo — Lindsey and Peter hyping up Erika’s marathon and her confidence, calling her a “crusher” and “pleasant surprise” on the show. Brooks’ identity shift — the back-and-forth about Brooks trying to go from “run happy” to “we’re serious now,” with the high …
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On this episode of Road to the Trials, Olympian Dakotah Popehn shares her journey from Division II walk-on to placing third at the 2024 Olympic Trials and finishing 12th in Paris. She talks about the belief and consistency that carried her rise, the heat prep that made Orlando feel almost routine, and the big goals she’s chasing next—including a PR…
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In this episode, I had the incredible opportunity to sit down with one of my running heroes, Hillary Allen. Her story is one of resilience, determination, and the power of the human spirit. From a life-threatening fall to becoming a world-class athlete again and qualifying for the World Championships, Hillary's journey is nothing short of inspiring…
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Road to the Trials welcomes Olympian Jared Ward, fresh off a year in the UK completing an MBA, for a focused conversation on sustainable high-performance training and mindset. Jared explains how he’s reframed workouts as stimulus for long-term adaptation, what he learned from the 2016 Trials and sixth place in Rio, and why he’s still chasing meanin…
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Join us as we dive into the inspiring journey of Theresa Hailey, a dedicated marathoner who has qualified for the Olympic Trials twice. In this episode, Theresa shares her experiences overcoming injuries, her mental strategies for racing, and her goals for the future. Discover how she balances her passion for running with her new role as a foster p…
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Welcome to Season Four of Road to the Trials! This will be the most epic season yet as we look to interview every qualifier to the 2028 Olympic Marathon Trials in Los Angeles as well as plenty of industry professionals along the way. Our expanded goal is matched by our expanding team! We now have three co-hosts - Matt Chittim, Lindsey Hein, and Pet…
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Welcome to Season Four of Road to the Trials! This will be the most epic season yet as we look to interview every qualifier to the 2028 Olympic Marathon Trials in Los Angeles as well as plenty of industry professionals along the way. Our expanded goal is matched by our expanding team! We now have three co-hosts - Matt Chittim, Lindsey Hein, and Pet…
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In this Coach's Corner episode, Ruth Atkinson from McKirdy Trained talks about how she plans long runs for runners who run the marathon in 4:30 or slower. This is a question we get all the time via DM's and email and we were excited to talk it out. Often times runners in this group assume that they need to run a 20 miler during marathon training to…
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Today on group chat, we have Erika Kemp, Lindsey Hein, and Matt Chittim. Topics we covered: Cooper Lutkenhaus goes pro at 16 and signs with Nike NIL deals, college eligibility, and the value of NCAA programs vs. professional contracts Risks and benefits of skipping the collegiate system (facilities, coaching, social/educational experience) Fall mar…
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In this engaging conversation, Laura Thweatt shares how she was able to develop a mindset for race day that helped propel her to the top of the sport. She discusses the evolution of her mindset throughout her athletic career, particularly focusing on the mental preparation required for her experiences at the Olympic Trials, the challenges faced dur…
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In this lively conversation, Lindsey Hein, Erika Kemp, Tommie Runz, and Peter Bromka discuss various topics ranging from recent running events to internet culture and memes. They share hot takes on food preferences, analyze Faith Kipyegon's performance from the Diamond League, the importance of points in track and field, and the dynamics of communi…
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In this episode, I sit down with Karen Howe to explore the intricate balance of parenting and nurturing a passion for running. As a mother of two teenagers, Karen shares her journey from a non-runner to a marathon enthusiast and how/if her love for the sport has influenced her children, and how she tries to nurture that passion in them in a sustain…
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Join us as we welcome back Maurice Lowman, also known as the Marathon Panda, to discuss the emotional and transformative journey of ending his 3,488-day run streak. Maurice shares insights on how running intertwined with his sobriety journey, the challenges of letting go, and the new chapter he's embracing with gratitude and growth. Key Highlights:…
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In this conversation, Lindsey, Tommie, Matt, and Peter are joined by Sandy Roberts and Pat Price, founders of the Sir Walter Miler. They dive deep into the history and evolution of the Sir Walter Miler event. Topics discussed: Introduction to the Sir Walter Miler event The community engagement aspect Evolution of the event over the years The role o…
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In today's episode we are joined by elite marathoner John Raneri to discuss his transition from road racing to trail running. In this episode, John shares his experiences, challenges, and triumphs as he navigates the world of trail and ultra running. From his initial interest in trail running to his recent races, John provides insights into his tra…
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Join us as we dive into the inspiring journey of Miki Sawada, a professional classical pianist and dedicated amateur ultra-runner. Discover how Miki balances her passion for music with her love for running, and how she uses both to connect with communities across the country. From her unique Gather Hear Tour to conquering the Western States 100, Mi…
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Today on group chat, we have Tommie Runz, Erika Kemp, Lindsey Hein, Peter Bromka, and Matt Chittim. Top Topics Covered: 1. Doping Scandals Rock Running: Deep dive into Ruth Chepngetich’s doping news, reactions from within the running world, and how it impacts both elite athletes and fans. 2. What Mainstream Audiences Actually Hear About Running: Wh…
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Join us as we dive into the inspiring story of Justin Fiske, the newly crowned co-American record holder in the masters road mile. After a 15-year hiatus from running, Justin shares how he reignited his passion during the pandemic, leading to a sub-2:30 and other electric performances . Discover his journey from casual 5Ks to tying the American rec…
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Today on group chat, we have Lindsey Hein and Peter Bromka. Episode Rundown: Track and Field Summer Highlights: From Bailey Hertenstein's world standard in the 5K to Diamond League drama and Noah Lyles vs. Letsile Tebogo. Hardrock 100 and Trail Running Talk: Why 50-year-old Ludo dominated, Katie Schide's calm dominance, and the challenge of long ul…
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Join us as we dive into the inspiring journey of Brandon Dugi - a dedicated trail runner and high school coach who recently completed the Western States 100 in under 24 hours! Brandon discusses his experiences at Western States, his deep connection with his Diné community and culture, growing up with the tradition of morning runs and prayer on the …
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Join host Matt Chittim as he sits down with Andrew Mayo, a Sacramento resident and trail running enthusiast, to discuss his incredible journey to completing the Western States 100. Andrew shares his experiences, challenges, and the significance of finishing within the coveted "Golden Hour" and why that presented a magical full-circle moment. Follow…
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Professional trail and ultra runner, and highly respected trail and road running coach, Matt Daniels is on the show to share his two favorite workouts. Matt details an interval workout that can be done on all types of road and trail (and he suggests doing it on route that aligns with your next race) and a Vo2 max workout that will mimic race day. Y…
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Today on group chat, we have Peter Bromka and Erika Kemp. Episode Rundown: 50th anniversary atmosphere and in-person experience at Pre Classic Standout performances across events, including Gudaf Tsegay’s and Faith Kipyegon’s world records Sage Hurta-Klecker’s standout pacing job and pacing strategy overall Long jump drama and showmanship from Tara…
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In this conversation, Matt Chittim interviews Jack Kuenzle, focusing on his work with athlete Caleb Olson, who recently won the Western States 100. They discuss Caleb's journey to becoming a champion, the training strategies employed, and the importance of mental strength in racing. Jack shares insights into his coaching process, the significance o…
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In this conversation, Hannah Allgood shares her journey as a trail runner, reflecting on her recent 7th place performance at the Western States 100 and her competitive spirit. She discusses her athletic background, the decision to pursue running over other sports, and how her competitive nature has evolved. Hannah emphasizes the joy of trail runnin…
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Today on group chat, we have Erika Kemp, Peter Bromka, Tommie Runz, Kofuzi, and Marcus Brown. Episode Rundown: Running in the Heat and the “Park” Workout Debacle The Ethics of Running in Cemeteries Peachtree Road Race Preview Faith Kipyegon and Breaking 4 Event Legitimacy vs. Storytelling How Track Can Be More Fun (Without Losing Respect) Should Ki…
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Western States 100 is always one of the highlights of the running calendar and the 2025 edition was no different! There was more pre-race hype than we've ever had before and the race absolutely delivered. In this episode, Stefanie Flippin, Peter Bromka, and Matt Chittim break the men's and women's races, talk about lasting impressions from the race…
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Breaking4 is in the book as we are joined by former professional runner for Team Boss, and NCAA All-American for University of Colorado, Maddie Alm to break it down. In the second half of the show we dive into Maddie transition to full-time registered dietitian, how she build her business while she was running professionally, and how she is handlin…
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