Best Mike And Ting Podcasts (2025)

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#439 - Inverting The Pilaumid, Winning 18 Apples and The Mayor of Thornbury 54:56

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There’ve been contrasting weeks for our two heroes. It’s a non-stop all anecdote premiere for Elis. For he has as follows… met Hugh Grant, attended Ken Clarke’s curry house, been to film screenings and had his greatest ever stag - apart from the one organised by John he stresses. *And* Mo Salah thinks he matters. John meanwhile has been asleep for …

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May 23, 2025 – Guardrailing Michael Bush and Card On Guard Darren Hickman 55:40

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Michael Bush – Co-Founder of GrowthWays Partners and Author of Guardrailing: Authentically Guide Your Natural Products Company from Spark to Sale Michael Bush is an accomplished author, speaker, advisor, and co-founder of GrowthWays Partners, bringing over 30 years of leadership experience in venture-backed businesses across the natural products, h…

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20VC: ElevenLabs Head of Growth on Why You Do Not Need PMs | The 7-Part Launch Playbook That Gets 700K+ Views Per Product | The Truth About CAC, Payback & Performance Marketing in AI with Luke Harries 1:15:44

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Luke Harries is Head of Growth at ElevenLabs, where he leads marketing, product, engineering, and developer experience. ElevenLabs has raised $281M with the latest round pricing the company at $3.3B valuation. Previously, Luke held roles at PostHog and Microsoft, and is also an angel investor supporting startups like Lovable and Runna. In Today’s E…

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20VC: Chime IPO: The Breakdown | Why Fund Returners Are Not Enough & Seed is for Suckers | Are IPOs Dead & The Future of the Late Stage Private Market | Rippling vs. Deel Lawsuit: WTF Happens Now? 1:17:53

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Agenda: 04:34 Chime's IPO Announcement: Who Wins & Who Loses 06:28 The Lopphole That Means Chime Has a Better Business than JP Morgan 10:51 Why Investors Who Invested at $25BN Will Make Money When it IPOs at $12BN 18:59 Are IPOs Dead & The Future of the Late Stage Private Market 27:32 Exits are Larger Than Ever: So What? What Happens? Who Wins? Who…

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May 21, 2025 – E&Y Entrepreneur of the Year Award Winner Rich Kahn and Power Grid CEO David Naylor 53:59

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Rich Kahn – Founder of Anura.io Rich Kahn is a force to be reckoned with in the world of digital marketing and entrepreneurship. As the proud father of four and a seasoned business professional with over three decades of experience, Rich has established himself as a visionary leader in the industry. As the co-founder and CEO of Anura.io, Rich has l…

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#438 - The Human Clock, Threads Be Cloves and Thanks For Jumping on That Call 1:10:46

2d ago1:10:46

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It’s official. Elis and John are the most listened to on demand radio programme amongst the Under 35s on BBC Sounds. This is huge. Finally the boys are appealing to a demographic that extends upwards to those could well be married with two children. Bringing 5 Live’s average age down from 57 to 55 was the aim. But they’ve overshot so far that it’s …

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Slay the Spire 58:07

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Mike and Ting talk about Slay the Spire. Contact us: @lostlevelsclub or [email protected] Show Notes: What is Slay the Spire? Slay the Spire (YouTube) Slay the Spire Reviews - Metacritic Future of Giant Bomb website in doubt following prominent staff departures | VGC Giant Bomb Escapes Fandom, Goes Independent Game of the Year 2019: Day…

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Pre-Chat: Please and Thanks 12:20

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Mike and Ting talk about being polite to AIs and Mike's latest holiday. NOTE: this is the pre-episode warm up chat for Slay the Spire. Contact us: @lostlevelsclub or [email protected] Show Notes: Pre-Chat Sam Altman Admits That Saying "Please" and "Thank You" to ChatGPT Is Wasting Millions of Dollars in Computing Power Update that made …

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May 19, 2025 – AI Agriculture Francisco Martin-Rayo and Full Leaf Tea Matt Hammonds 53:59

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Francisco Martin-Rayo – CEO and Co-Founder of Helios Francisco Martin-Rayo is CEO and Co-Founder of Helios, an AI platform that identifies agricultural supply chain disruptions before they happen. Utilizing billions of data points, Helios provides a global, real-time view of the climate and economic risks affecting the commodities and regions you c…

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20VC: Duolingo Co-Founder on Why $3M is Harder than $100M to Raise | Why You Should Always Take Tier 1 VCs Even at Worse Terms | Why Europe Can't Win Unless the US Screws Up | How AI Impacts the Future ... 1:31:43

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Severin Hacker is the Co-Founder and CTO of Duolingo, the world’s most downloaded education app with over 100 million monthly users. Since its 2021 IPO, Duolingo has reached a market cap of $20BN. The company has raised over $183M from top-tier investors including CapitalG, Kleiner Perkins, Union Square Ventures, NEA, Ashton Kutcher, and Tim Ferris…

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#437 - The Great Geordification, Cloud Storage Afterlife and Narrative! Narrative! Narrative! 53:40

6d ago53:40

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He’s only gone and done it again. The serial winner himself, John Robins, the narrative bender, has won yet again. Despite not even really liking football, John just can’t help being John, and he's done something on the football pitch worthy of an end-of-tournament emotional BBC sports montage that makes Elis cry. If anything feels significant, thi…

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May 16, 2025 – Golf.com Kass & Mike Lazerow and Fair Trade Founder & Social Entrepreneur of the Year Paul Rice 55:00

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Kass & Mike Lazerow – Cofounders of Golf.com & Author of Shoveling $h!t: A Love Story Kass and Mike Lazerow are serial entrepreneurs and investors best known as the cofounders of Golf.com and Buddy Media, a software company that sold to Salesforce.com for $745 million. With a lifetime of stories from decades of building businesses and helping other…

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20Product: Figma CPO on How Figma Builds Products: What Works, What Does Not | How Figma Does Testing and Product Reviews | The Future of Design, Engineering and Product with Yuhki Yamashita 1:01:51

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Yuhki Yamashita is the Chief Product Officer at Figma, where he leads the development of one of the world’s most beloved design platforms. Previously, he was Head of Product at Uber, overseeing the core rider experience used by millions globally. A master of product storytelling and team-building, Yuhki has redefined how world-class digital product…

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20VC: Tiger Global Saved by OpenAI | Coatue's New Fund: Hype or Substance | Why SBF is the Greatest Investor of the Last 5 Years | Why Big Funds are Investing in Perplexity 1:14:37

9d ago1:14:37

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Items Mentioned in Today’s Episode: 04:11 Owner’s New $120M Round at $1BN 06:05 Why Series A is F****** Today 14:55 Could Tiger Global Be Saved by OpenAI and Scale 22:43 Why SBF is the Greatest Investor of the Last Decade 31:34 Why No Individuals Should Invest in Venture Funds 36:27 Why Microsoft Laying 3% of Their Workforce Off is not Enough 41:38…

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May 14, 2025 – Contract Entrepreneur Praful Saklani and Portland Crazy Rick Turoczy 53:59

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Praful Saklani – Founder and CEO of Pramata Praful Saklani has deep expertise in the artificial intelligence technologies core to Pramata, and experience in delivering enterprise process solutions. Prior to co-founding Pramata, he founded and served as CEO of Yatra Corporation, which leveraged artificial intelligence and Internet technologies to op…

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#436 - I Attract The Mums, 200,000 Items and John Robins Ltd. 1:11:14

9d ago1:11:14

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This show isn’t often one for big announcements. But today we park the trivialities. There’s not a mention of word games or credit scores in sight. For another obsession is about to take over the life of Johnny JR. It’s big. And it could complete his transformation from movement cynic to the Haile Gebrselassie of rural Bucks*. And Producer Dave is …

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May 12, 2025 – #CookieWars Lawsuits Bennett Maxwell and Random Acts of Automation Craig LeClair 53:59

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Bennett Maxwell – CEO of Franchise KI Bennett Maxwell is the founder of Dirty Dough, one of the fastest-growing restaurant concepts in the country, with over 80 open locations nationally and 450 slated for development. Their story has been one of rising success but also filled with adversity and challenges that changed their growth trajectory- batt…

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20VC Exclusive: Mercury Founder Launches First $26M Fund | Why Founders Should Take the Highest Price | Why Serial Entrepreneurs are Better | Why AI Is So Overhyped | The Future of Venture Capital with ... 1:02:21

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Immad Akhund is the CEO of Mercury. Launched in 2019, Mercury has raised $500M in funding from Sequoia, Coatue, CRV, Andreessen Horowitz and others. He is a former part-time partner at Y Combinator and is an active angel investor, with more than 350 investments in startups including Rippling, AirTable, Rappi, Applied Intuition, and Substack. In Tod…

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#435 - Orcs & All, Cannellini Alley and ‘Wisdom, Bit of Sadness, Go Home’ 1:10:36

13d ago1:10:36

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Young John Robins goes under the microscope as we learn some revealing things about his burgeoning adulthood; whilst other holidaymakers were making art around turtles and sunsets, what was a youthful Johnny JR focusing his attention on? When students were showing off their favourite books in their dorm rooms, what tomes was Robins proudly showcasi…

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20VC: Four Traits of the Most Successful Founders | How to Hunt and Close Talent Like a Pro and Where All Founders Go Wrong | Lessons Raising $397M From the Best Investors in the World with Eléonore Crespo ... 1:09:46

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Eléonore Crespo is the Co-Founder and CEO @ Pigment, one of Europe’s fastest-growing companies. With Pigment, Eleonore has raised over $397M from the best in the world including ICONIQ, Greenoaks and IVP to name a few. Prior to Pigment, Eléonore was on the other side of the table as an investor with Index Ventures. In Today's Episode We Discuss: [0…

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May 9, 2025 – ADP’s Erron Stark, Business Leader of the Year Paul Rice and New Dating Trend Cindy Lim – National Small Business Week! 53:59

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Erron Stark – General Manager and Vice President, Small Business Services at ADP For more than 60 years, the Small Business Administration (SBA) has celebrated National Small Business Week (NSBW) to acknowledge the critical contributions of America’s entrepreneurs and small business owners. Serving more than 900,000 small businesses across all indu…

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May 7, 2025 – Homeless to CEO Darryl Kelly and Rightsize Today Marni Jameson 53:59

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Darryl Kelly – Chief Executive of Aspect Software, Futurist, 3x Founder, 7x Board Member, Angel Investor and Podcast Host When he was a middle school student, his family was homeless, but it never deterred him from being a great student and citizen. He excelled in high school, taking numerous advanced placement courses. He then entered college at s…

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20VC: Benchmark vs a16z: Why Stage Specific Firms Win | Windsurf Sells For $3BN | Decagon Raises at 100x ARR | Do Mega Funds Win the Future of VC | What Does Harvard's Losing Their For-Profit Status Mean ... 1:11:34

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Today’s Topics: 04:44 Analysis of $3 Billion Windsurf Acquisition 12:39 Will Mega Funds Win the Future of Venture Capital 18:39 Does Every Fund Have to do Pre-Seed to Win Series A and B Today 27:53 Why AI Will Create Massive Unemployment 31:06 The $100,000 Bet on the Future of Work 35:52 Why Venture Has Become a Bundled Good 37:52 Why Stage Specifi…

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#434 - TwistMcGist, Spikey Mike and Oh You’re A Catholic 1:09:31

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It’s been a fallow period for Mr Elis James. The one time leading light of Cymru Connecting has faltered. Boy wonder no more. With 5 failures in his past 6 outings, everyone is asking "has his star fallen?" Will he become like Adel Taraabt, a mere “the streets won’t forget” connector of unfulfilled promise? Today he tries to arrest the descent and …

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SYS Podcast Episode 534 – Disney, James Cameron and Animation with Pietro Schito 1:05:53

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In this episode of the podcast your host Ashley Scott Meyers talks with Animator and Writer Pietro Schito. Our guest Pietro Schito talks about how Disney, James Cameron, Pixar all became part of his career in visual storytelling and Animation. Topics also include making story Pitch Decks, AI being used for Animated works in the […]…

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20VC Exclusive: Why Mega Platforms Will Win in VC | Why You Cannot Do VC If You Do Not Do Pre-Seed | Why Market Sizing is BS | Where Will Foundation Models Build/Buy Apps vs Where Will They Not with Bucky ... 1:05:07

19d ago1:05:07

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Bucky Moore is a Partner @ Lightspeed Venture Partners, announced exclusively in the show today on 20VC. Prior to Lightspeed, Bucky spent an incredibly successful 7 years at Kleiner Perkins working with Mamoon Hamid to build one of the most successful early stage firms of the last decade. Bucky has made investments in the likes of Prisma, Netlify, …

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May 5, 2025 – Founder Effect Lawrence Lam and Health Online Ryan Matt Reynolds 53:59

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Lawrence Lam – Managing Director & Founder of Lumenary Investment Management and Author of The Founder Effect: Three Pillars of Success in Founder-Led Companies Lawrence Lam is the Managing Director and Founder of Lumenary Investment Management, a funds management firm. He specializes in strategic investments in global, founder-led companies. Prior…

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n00bcon 16 - Simon Rokkjaer 2:08:22

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One of absolute best guys in Old School, Simon Rokkjaer, joins me this week to chat about a 4/4 creature he just procured for his collection.By Bryan Manolakos

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20Sales: Sierra: Inside Silicon Valley's Fastest Growing Sales Machine & How to Prospect, Outbound and Close Enterprise Deals in AI 1:07:19

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Reggie Marable is the Head of Global Sales at Sierra, a conversational AI platform for businesses. Sierra enables companies like ADT, Sonos, SiriusXM, and WeightWatchers to build AI agents that transform customer experiences. The company has rapidly become a hypergrowth leader in Silicon Valley, recently securing a funding round that values it at $…

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#433 - Pasta Disaster, Child Of The FTSE and The BACS Is Safe 1:07:39

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Who built John? We find out that it takes more than just a village/borough/nation to raise such a superhunk. He has an entire team behind him, like all of the top athletes of his generation. And not just any top athlete superhunk, but one on the verge of yet another birthday. With this year's birthday, Elis has pushed the present boat out even furt…

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May 2, 2025 – IBM’s Ed Walsh, TextNow Derek Ting and Employee Ownership Marie Davis 56:00

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Ed Walsh – Senior Managing Consultant, Hybrid Cloud Transformation, IBM Consulting Edward Walsh is seasoned technology strategist specializing in digital and cloud transformation initiatives. He brings deep expertise in transforming complex technological challenges into strategic business opportunities, helping organizations reimagine their digital…

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20VC: Why Fund Returners Are Not Enough Anymore | Why Sequoia Had the Best Strategy at the Worst Time | What it Takes to Be Good at Series A and B Today | Benchmark Leads Manus Round: Should US Funds Invest ... 1:24:57

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In Today’s Episode We Discuss: 03:56 Why The Risk Lever Has Been Turned Higher than Ever in VC 06:04 Why IRR is the Hardest Thing to Control 09:36 Is Lack of Liquidity Short Term Temporary or Long Term Structural 12:17 Why Fund Returners Are Not Good Enough Anymore 16:03 Sequoia: The Best Strategy at the Worst Time 26:30 What it Takes to be Good at…

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April 30, 2025 – Radio Station Owner &Conscious Consultant Sam Liebowitz and Thrive Relationships Dana Che 53:59

24d ago53:59

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Sam Liebowitz – Talk Radio Executive Producer, 4X Best-selling Author, TEDx Speaker and Helping Conscious Business Leaders Become Thought Leaders Sam Liebowitz, known as The Conscious Consultant, is a facilitator, mentor, speaker, healer, serial entrepreneur, host of the top rated radio show, The Conscious Consultant Hour, and is a four time best-s…

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#432 - Roast Goose, Intro Sequels and The Volkswagen Barrel of Paint 1:07:02

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“This question will have enormous ramifications for my mental health for the rest of my life.” It’s that sort of episode. Today is MASSIVE for Robins, as Producer Dave surprises him with a humdinger of a special guest. It's John's time to enjoy the fruits of 14 months worth of Made Up Games labour. But it’s not all about fruit - which, yes, could b…

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April 28, 2025 - Hollywood Veteran Kevin Wade and Environmental Entrepreneur Wayne Elliott 53:59

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Kevin Wade – Hollywood Veteran and Author of Johnny Careless: A Novel Kevin Wade has been the show runner – and regular contributor – to Blue Bloods since 2011. A noted screen writer, his credits include Maid in Manhattan, Working Girl, Meet Joe Black, Mr. Baseball, and True Colors. When the Hollywood writers’ strike and the pandemic left him a wee…

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20VC: VCs are Spreadsheet Monkeys and are Commoditised | Why Fees and Carry Misalign GPs and LPs | Why Founders Will Realise Multi-Stage Funds Damage Seed Rounds | Why We Need European Sovereignty More ... 58:26

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Taavet Hinrikus is a Partner at Plural, the early-stage fund that backs the most ambitious founders on a mission to change the world through technology. He co-founded Wise in 2010, where he was CEO and later Chairman, which went public in the first-ever direct listing in Europe in 2021. Prior to that, Taavet was Skype’s Director of Strategy until 2…

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#431 - Corner Energy, Non-Playable John and Tubing The Room 1:00:59

29d ago1:00:59

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John and Producer Dave are back from a high after John turned 2,000 revellers up to eleven with his problematic walk in music. Elis has questions but Robins simply adds so much value to live events. And he’s been adding his own energy to another live event - that of the singles night variety. And he sure did set the vibe by diving straight in with …

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April 25, 2025 – Improv Energy Joel Zeff and Mindfully Successful Margo Boster 53:59

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Joel Zeff – Speaker and Author of Make the Right Choice: Lead with Passion, Elevate Your Team, and Unleash the Fun at Work Joel Zeff creates energy! His spontaneous humor and vital messages have thrilled audiences for more than 25 years. As a national speaker, work culture expert, author, and humorist, Joel captivates audiences with a unique blend …

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20Growth: Inside Kraken’s $1.5BN Growth Playbook: What Works, What Doesn’t and What No Founders Understand About Growth That Will Change Their Company with Mayur Gupta 52:50

29d ago52:50

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Mayur Gupta is currently the CMO at Kraken, one of the largest crypto platforms in the world. Prior to that, he lead Marketing, Business Transformation and Growth at Gannett - USA Today Network, led Growth at Spotify and was the CMO at Freshly which eventually got acquired by Nestle. He was the first ever Chief Marketing Technologist at Kimberly Cl…

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20VC: OpenAI's $3BN Acquisition of Windsurf: The Breakdown | Are Endowment Funds F******* & How LP Deployment to Venture Will Change in 2025 | Why Revenue Multiples are BS, The Rise of AI Rollups and Multi ... 1:25:42

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In Today’s Show We Discuss: 04:49 Breaking Down the $3BN Windsurf Acquisition 06:18 Why Sam Altman is Playing a Master Game 12:40 Why Multi-Stage Funds are Destroying Seed Managers 21:52 Are Endowment Funds F****** 27:38 What Would Rory Do If He Was CFO of an Ivy League Endowment Fund 43:38 The Denominator Effect and It’s Impact on Venture Allocati…

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April 23, 2025 - Post-Employment Insurance Andy Hamilton and Team Collaboration Ryan Leak 53:59

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Andy Hamilton – CEO and Co-founder of When – Post-Employment Insurance Andy Hamilton is the CEO and Co-founder of When, an AI-powered offboarding platform and severance solution. He has previously co-founded two technology companies, both of which were acquired by public companies. The latter company, ApartmentJet, was acquired by Expedia Group. Du…

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#430 - Grief Granola, Psephologist Wildfowl and How is Scratching Free? 1:22:10

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You’ve probably heard it whispered on the train on your way into work. You’ve likely heard mutterings about it on the concourse at the football. And you’ve almost certainly heard your grandma claim it at Sunday dinner. Well, this episode confirms the rumours; no one else is doing this. Especially if by ‘this’ you mean an extensive chat about spare …

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April 21, 2025 – Actor to Edtech CEO Owain Yeoman and Digital Product Management Alex Cowan 55:13

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Owain Yeoman – Entrepreneur. Partner/ Chief Commercial Officer of edYOU TECHNOLOGIES & Principal Producer and CEO @ SHOWMAN PRODUCTIONS From his unforgettable portrayal of Wayne Rigsby in The Mentalist to a diverse range of roles across television and film, Owain Yeoman is blending his acting experience with a passion for innovation. Now serving as…

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20VC: Do Rich Founders Make Better Founders | The Best Performing Fund Would Only Back YC Founders on Their Second Time | Why SPACs Will Come Back | Why Short Sellers Should Be Banned | Is Trump Better ... 58:35

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Jason Wilk is the Founder and CEO of Dave, the greatest turnaround in the public markets of the last 12 months. Dave went public with a market cap of $4BN, just months later the company had a market cap of $50M. Today, they are back with a market cap of $1.1BN. In 2024, CNBC named Dave the best-performing financial stock in the country, achieving 9…

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April 18, 2025 - Call of Duty Military Consultant & Assistant Sec of State Dr. John Hillen and Junior Achievement's Take a Child to Work Day 45:50

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Dr. John Hillen - Author of The Strategy Dialogues: A Primer on Business Strategy and Strategic Management The Honorable Dr. John Hillen is a highly accomplished CEO, Board Chairman, former US Assistant Secretary of State, and award-winning professor. With extensive strategic leadership experience spanning business, government, the military, and ac…

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20VC: Foundation Models: Who Wins & Who Loses | How Economies and Labour Markets Need to Change in a World of AI | China vs the US in an AI Race: What You Need to Know | Rich Socher, Founder @ You.com 1:03:57

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Rich Socher is the Founder and CEO of You.com. Richard previously served as the Chief Scientist and EVP at Salesforce. Before that, Richard was the CEO/CTO of the AI startup MetaMind, which Salesforce acquired in 2016. He is widely recognised as having brought neural networks into the field of natural language processing, inventing the most widely …

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#429 - Czecholate, 11 Years of Silence, and No One Else is Doing This 58:22

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We join our heroes during a telling off session, because someone is being a naughty boy. Has John eaten too much chocolate on the way in and he’s about to experience the mother of all choco crashes? Has Elis insisted that we scrap the proposed running order to talk instead about every conceivable permutation of the Nations League? Or could Producer…

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20VC: Why Seed is for Suckers | a16z's $20BN Fund & Founders Fund's $4.6BN: What Makes Them So Good | Why Josh Kushner Is the Master of Venture Capital Strategy | Why Extended Private Markets Screw US ... 1:29:27

1M ago1:29:27

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Jason Lemkin is one of the leading SaaS investors of the last decade with a portfolio including the likes of Algolia, Talkdesk, Owner, RevenueCat, Saleloft and more. Rory O’Driscoll is a General Partner @ Scale where he has led investments in category leaders such as Bill.com (BILL), Box (BOX), DocuSign (DOCU), and WalkMe (WKME), among others. In T…

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April 16, 2025 – A New Theme Park, Cake on Tuesday Elizabeth Bieniek and Most Uncomfortable Conversation Ever Men Dr. Michael J. Rovito 53:59

1M ago53:59

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Elizabeth Bieniek – Tech Pioneer, Human-centric AI Consultant and Author of Cake on Tuesday: 25 Lessons to Unlock Corporate Innovation Elizabeth Bieniek is an author, speaker, and consultant focused on “good peopling” as the secret to exceptional execution. As a founder and Fortune 100 innovation and engineering leadership veteran, her expertise li…

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#428 - Hunting Aled, Gen Sea and Harriet Kemsley 1:13:22

1M ago1:13:22

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Acceptance is the word on everybody’s lips today, but it has different meanings for Elis and John. For John it’s a meaningful form of accepting things as they are in life. For Elis it’s about accepting that his wife Isy will never be interested in the Nations League. Both are valid, I'm sure you'll agree. Also getting in on the acceptance game is t…

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