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Industry Relations

Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson

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This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider's perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Harv Balu, a tech-savvy REALTOR® and Bay Area resident, delivers expert insights into the dynamic real estate markets of Alameda and Santa Clara Counties. With over 15 years in IT and certifications like GRI, PSA, and CIPS, Harvinder simplifies market trends, offers practical tips for buyers and sellers, and breaks down key updates from NAR and CAR. A dedicated father of three and passionate problem solver, Harvinder’s approachable style makes real estate accessible and actionable. Tune in t ...
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The Making Agents Rich Show with Darin Persinger & Jonathan Rivera

The show for Top Producers who want to become millionaire real estate agent

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If you want to build a profitable real estate business that doesn't rely on you being there every single minute you're in the right place. The Making Agents Rich Show will give you the systems you need to stay more focused, be more productive, and close more transactions than you ever thought possible in your real estate business.
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the recurring issue of embezzlement and financial mismanagement within small Realtor associations. Using recent cases as a jumping-off point, they debate what "transparency" should actually look like in a member-driven n…
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This episode we talk PlayStation partnering with JJ Abrams game studio for what sounds like a Left 4 Dead style game, Capcom going back to Dead Rising's roots with a new title, whether players tend to prefer Sony's recent sequels to the games that preceded them or not, and look at how many games we played this year that didn't release this year! Jo…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg break down the newest developments in NAR governance, the fallout from the failed referral-fee disclosure vote, and the rapid moves by industry players like eXp and CAR to implement their own transparency standards. They also examine broader struc…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the newly surfaced Zillow–Compass court documents, a leaked Zillow strategy plan, and Mike DelPrete's analysis of the preliminary injunction hearing. They also discuss the broader market context—from the real cost of liv…
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This episode we look at fans bringing Concord back from the grave with custom servers and Sony potentially not wanting that, the Horizon MMO announcement surprisingly skipping a PlayStation console version in favor of PC/Mobile, talk Arc Raiders recent controversies and praises, if Arc Raiders success gives a good feeling about PlayStations rocky F…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg break down what happened at NAR NXT in Houston — from the empty expo floor to major MLS–Association policy changes. Greg shares on-the-ground insights from meetings, parties, and conversations with MLS leaders, while Rob analyzes the strategic imp…
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Newark’s real estate market is in a rare moment where high demand and tight inventory collide, yet prices aren’t moving. In this episode, we break down why the median home price is holding steady around one point five million, why inventory remains stuck near thirty eight homes, and what this quiet plateau actually means for buyers and sellers. Fro…
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The Listing Bits Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg dig into expectations for the NAR Annual Conference, MLS attendance patterns, and broader industry sentiment heading into 2025. They cover speculation around possible committee decisions, how the settlement fallout is (or isn't) impacting MLS membership…
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James Becker joins Byron Lazine to discuss his journey from cold-calling in a collapsing 1989 market to leading Fusion Growth Partners, why long-term thinking and deep relationships beat short-term fear, how agents can turn databases and open houses into predictable business, and where the next 10% market jump may come from.𝐁𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐞𝐦𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐁𝐀𝐌𝐱:…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg discuss Zillow's recent privacy policy changes to Follow Up Boss and the growing debate around data use and agent trust. They examine how Zillow's communication strategy has affected its reputation, drawing comparisons to past acquisitions like do…
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This episode we're joined by Davey from ⁨In PS We Trust⁩ ! We talk Sony possibly playing around with optimizing their games for lower power hardware and why people think this is for a PlayStation handheld, Microsoft potentially removing the paywall for online play, Crash Bandicoot gracing our screens again with an animated series, Halo FINALLY comi…
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LPT International CEO Michael Valdes sits down with Byron Lazine to discuss his journey from banking to global brokerage leadership, his lessons from the 2008 crash, and the rise of LPT’s two-model system. They also dive into brand confusion among luxury giants, the evolution of brokerage models, and why those preparing during the downturn will lea…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg dive into Sean Frank's Inman article, "NAR and the Real Estate Industry's Relevance Problem." They discuss how outdated MLS technology and excessive bureaucracy are stifling innovation in real estate. From permissioning delays to governance breakd…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the controversy surrounding CRMLS's End User License Agreement (EULA) and the debate over MLS data ownership. The discussion begins with updates in the MLS world that brought attention to how CRMLS's EULA—originally upda…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg dive into the recent OpenAI Developers Conference announcement showcasing Zillow's integration into ChatGPT. They break down how this partnership blurs the lines between traditional search engines and AI "answer machines," debate whether MLS and I…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! This special crossover episode brings together James and Keith from Real Estate Insiders Unfiltered with Rob and Greg from Industry Relations. The group dives into Compass' planned acquisition of Anywhere, debating what it means for brokerages, portals, and the future …
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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San Jose is taking a bold stand against neglected properties. The City Council just approved fines of up to $10,000 a day—and as much as $500,000 a year—for blighted homes and buildings that drag down neighborhoods. In this episode, we break down what these new penalties mean, why the city is taking such a tough stance, and how this connects to the…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg return to break down CMLS 2025 in Toronto, offering their candid takes on the good, the bad, and the ugly of the event. From bold leadership discussions and MLS operational shifts to vendor frustrations and AI speculation, they cover the hot topic…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg dive into the major industry shake-up: Compass acquiring Anywhere. They discuss the financial implications, consolidation trends, the future of MLS rules, and what the move means for private listings, brokerages, and consumers. The conversation also covers…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg discuss the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk and its impact on the nation and the real estate industry. They reflect on the cultural divide, responses from industry leaders, and the broader implications for civil discourse within real …
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg tackle the pressing issue of housing affordability, reacting to reports that the Trump administration may declare a national housing emergency. They debate potential federal approaches, including deregulation, incentives, zoning reform, and changes to mort…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into the balance between technology and human connection in real estate. From car tech frustrations to the rise of "dumb phones," they discuss how AI and digital tools are reshaping the industry—and whether that's always a good thing.…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg dive into the latest developments in the real estate industry, including Andrea's move to Real Estate News, Anne Marie's push for MLS independence, and ongoing debates around realtor commissions and compliance. They also examine a new lawsuit challenging e…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg dive into the shakeup at Opendoor after CEO Carrie Wheeler's resignation. They break down the role activist investors and meme stock energy played, and debate whether iBuying still has a future. The conversation turns into advice for Opendoor's new leaders…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Rob and Greg welcome Coleton Boyer from OnTuesday.com for a spirited debate on whether AI will truly disrupt the real estate industry. They explore AI's potential to improve lead generation, client service, and agent efficiency, while questioning if these benefits will…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg recap Inman Connect San Diego, discuss the current state of the real estate industry, and explore the hype and utility of AI in real estate. They cover industry gossip, shifting executive roles, macroeconomic forecasts, and heated disagree…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg dive into Zillow's legal strategy in its defense against Compass's lawsuit, focusing on Zillow's surprising claim that it only facilitates a "single-digit" percentage of real estate transactions. They debate the strategic implications of t…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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Byron Lazine sits down with Compass President of Growth Rory Golod to unpack the real story behind Compass’ three-phase strategy, whether or not Zillow’s behavior is monopolistic, and what Golod believes the industry gets wrong about private exclusives. They cover the controversy around Compass’ Listing Book, the notorious internal email, and why G…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode, Rob and Greg cover recent legal decisions, MLS policy shifts, and major moves by real estate portals. They discuss the dismissal of Homie's lawsuit against NAR and large brokerages, examine NWMLS's new referral fee disclosure rule, and analyze the impl…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg tackle the thorny question of who should have access to real estate listing data. Prompted by a Wired article about college students using Zillow to assess classmates' wealth, Rob argues that the real estate industry …
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Byron Lazine sits down with Dermot Buffini of Buffini & Company, to discuss leadership, resilience, and the coaching philosophy behind one of real estate’s most respected brands. With 25 years at the helm, Dermot shares how the company has trained 7,500 brokerages, why all their coaches are full-time salaried employees, and how emotional sobriety i…
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California’s 2025 housing reforms aim to boost affordability and speed up development. Learn how these changes impact the Bay Area real estate market and what it means for buyers, sellers, and investors. Learn More blog: https://HarvBalu.COM/CAnews0725 Sources: Recent housing affordability reports and legislative summaries gov.ca.govlisten notes.co…
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Senate tax bill brings major wins for Bay Area homeowners, buyers, and investors, including a higher SALT deduction cap, permanent mortgage interest deduction, and protection for 1031 exchanges. Learn how these changes could boost affordability, support generational wealth, and create new opportunities in our local market. For full blog details, vi…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg unpack the lawsuit Compass filed against Zillow over its ZLAS (Zillow Listing Agreement Standard) policy. They debate the strength of Compass's legal claims, the language cited in the complaint, and what the …
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In this episode of Bay Area Realty Experts, we explore the high-stakes lawsuit between Compass and Zillow over private listings and listing access. What does this legal battle mean for homebuyers, sellers, and agents in the Bay Area? Tune in to get the facts, insights, and potential impact on how homes are marketed in today’s competitive real estat…
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Byron Lazine sits down with Craig McClelland to break down what’s killing the middle brokerage, why agents aren’t the center of the transaction, and how top funnel platforms like Zillow are shaping consumer choice. They also cover referral fee metrics no one talks about, the real value of a brokerage acquisition, and how Craig’s hyperlocal company,…
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The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview In this special episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg take a break from real estate to talk about one of their shared passions: music. They explore the most transformative artists and bands across genres from the 70s through today. Their conversation div…
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New episodes posts every Wednesday at 12PM CST/10AM PST! This show is possible thanks to the support of our Patrons. Consider becoming one today at https://www.patreon.com/nartech JOIN OUR DISCORD! Get in on the action and discuss all things PlayStation and gaming with fellow fans. It's the perfect place to talk games, music, movies, and of course …
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In this BAM interview, eXp CEO Leo Pareja sits down with Byron Lazine to discuss business model failures in real estate, the future of the MLS, what makes eXp different, why attention is more valuable than data, and how he became CEO after a viral livestream. Pareja also shares his thoughts on work-life balance, and why operational excellence is th…
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In this episode of Industry Relations, Rob and Greg reflect on a recent panel discussion hosted by the Orange County Association of REALTORS®. They discuss the incentives that drive agent and broker behavior, the value and vulnerabilities of the MLS in a post-settlement world, and the broader structural changes facing the real estate industry. The …
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NextHome CEO James Dwiggins joins Byron Lazine at the HousingWire Gathering event to discuss zero-offer compensation, dual agency risks, NAR’s strategic missteps, Rayse’s impact on buyer agent transparency, and why Dwiggins believes NAR should become the National Association of Homeowners. Read the HousingWire recap of the Gathering panel: https://…
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