A podcast for wanderers, doubters, and seekers exploring progressive Christianity, deconstruction, and the radical grace of God. Slutty Grace dives into universal love, spiritual freedom, and inclusive faith—where grace is reckless, scandalous, and for everyone. Honest reflections, bold questions, and the wild, untamed beauty of divine love. Contact me to be a guest or have me as a guest on your show. Slutty Grace exists to name what polite religion cannot: that God’s love is wild, untamed, ...
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Cabernet and Pray
Jeremy Jernigan is a former megachurch pastor turned wine-loving theologian who’s not afraid to ask the hard questions about Christianity. As the host of Cabernet and Pray, Jeremy blends deep theological exploration with cultural critique, all while sipping exceptional wines from around the world. With a background in ministry and a passion for progressive faith, Jeremy invites listeners into raw, honest conversations about doubt, deconstruction, and rediscovering Jesus beyond evangelicalism. Whether he’s unpacking a problematic Bible passage, challenging toxic church traditions, or exploring the beauty of grace with a guest, Jeremy offers a fresh take on faith that’s thoughtful, provocative, and deeply rooted in love. If you're seeking a faith that holds space for curiosity, nuance, and a good Pinot Noir, you're in the right place.
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Becoming the Mom I Needed: Parenting beyond fear and religion, with Nadyia Horning
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51:59How do you raise children with love when you were raised with fear? In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson talks with Nadyia Horning—a mother, advocate, and survivor of fundamentalist religion—about what it means to break the generational chains of fear and raise children with love instead of control. Nadyia shares her story of growing up …
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Evangelicalism vs. Universalism: Part 2—Progressive Christianity and the hope that Love Wins, with David Artman
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40:38Can a good God condemn forever? Can love and justice truly coexist? And if the Gospel is good news, shouldn’t it be good for everyone? In Part 2 of Evangelicalism vs. Universalism, Jeromy and David Artman dive head-on into the debate: hell, judgment, free will, and the moral logic of universal salvation. It’s a passionate, respectful clash between …
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Separation of Church and Hate (with John Fugelsang) | Ep. 58
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1:03:02What happens when Christianity gets weaponized for political gain? When culture wars hijack the gospel of love? In this episode, we unpack John Fugelsang's book, Separation of Church and Hate, exploring why following Jesus might actually mean breaking up with some forms of Christianity. Pour a glass, lean in, and let’s talk about what it really mea…
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Evangelicalism vs. Universalism: Part 1—Rethinking Hell and the heart of the Gospel, with David Artman
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31:18What if everything we were taught about hell was wrong—or at least incomplete? What if judgment wasn’t about eternal torment, but transformation? And what if grace is bigger, wider, and wilder than any of our doctrines can hold? In this first part of a two-episode conversation, Jeromy sits down with David Artman, author of Grace Saves All and host …
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Everyone Gets Some: The grace everyone deserves and no one earns, with Chris Jorgensen.
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1:01:12If God’s love truly includes everyone, what does that say about how we live, forgive, and belong? In this conversation, Jeromy Johnson and Pastor Chris Jorgensen step into the deep waters of progressive Christianity and Christian universalism—the belief that divine love leaves no one out. Together they wrestle with fear, faith, justice, and the mys…
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What if doing the right thing still made you guilty? Dietrich Bonhoeffer believed that following Jesus sometimes meant stepping straight into the mess—into what he called “the fellowship of guilt.” But was he right? In this episode, we grapple with one of the most challenging ethical questions in the Christian narrative: Can faithfulness ever neces…
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(Bonus) Windows and Reality: Finding Grace in the Diversity of Faith
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7:57What if you lived your whole life in one room, with only one window to the world? That limited view would become your entire reality—until one day, the door opened, and you discovered more rooms, more windows, more perspectives than you ever imagined. In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson shares a story of discovery—an analogy for the Chr…
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Gray Hair Is Beautiful: Aging and death are not our enemies, with Jacob Kendall
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46:55In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy Johnson sits down with Jacob Kendall—a scholar with backgrounds in theology, social work, public health, and gerontology, as well as an entrepreneur and survivor of two open-heart surgeries. Jacob’s journey is deeply interdisciplinary, blending science, faith, and lived experience to confront some of life’s b…
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Life Beyond Religious Exhaustion: Breathing in the freedom of grace.
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14:21Have you ever felt like faith and religion was just… exhausting? Like you were carrying the weight of everyone else’s soul? Managing their beliefs, and your own? Living under endless rules and shoulds that always seemed to shift? In this episode, Jeromy Johnson shares how evangelicalism left him spiritually tired—like sleep apnea for the soul. And …
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Hell Bent (with Brian Recker) | Ep. 56
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1:23:06What happens when Christians start rethinking the very idea of hell? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we sit down with Brian Recker to ask the questions many of us were told we weren’t allowed to ask. Is hell really eternal conscious torment? What about annihilation? Could universalism actually be more faithful to Jesus? And how do history, cu…
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Cheating Our Way Into Heaven, with Jonathan Brink
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56:28Today, Jeromy welcomes a guest who feels less like an interview and more like a reunion. Jonathan Brink and Jeromy have known each other for decades—they’ve asked the dangerous questions together, laughed hard, wept at communion tables, and wrestled with a God who never seems to fit inside our boxes. Jonathan’s journey has taken him through deep wo…
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My Confession: Love Offends My Sense of Justice
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9:28Belief is never neat. It is both anchor and sail, holding us steady, yet carrying us into uncharted waters. In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy lays down his flag, not with arrogance, but with humility, on one central conviction: God’s love and grace are for all. From wrestling with our human limitations, to reimagining forgiveness as God’s gif…
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A bonus episode, this is my raw, initial thoughts and reactions to the shooting of Charlie Kirk. Does God give his love and grace to Charlie? What about the person who pulled the trigger? This puts the radical, expansive, universal, untamed grace of God to the test. This is when it counts. If not now and to these two people, then when? Send us a te…
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Downsizing Evangelicalism (with Michelle Van Loon) | Ep. 55
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1:00:05What if the shrinking of evangelicalism isn’t a crisis to be feared but an opportunity to rediscover something truer, leaner, and more like Jesus? In this episode, I sit down with author Michelle Van Loon to talk about what’s being lost, what’s worth keeping, and why smaller might actually be better for the future of faith. Grab a glass, pull up a …
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It Was Good, Never Perfect: Rethinking the “Fall”
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7:57We’ve been told the story starts with perfection—paradise lost in a single catastrophic moment. But what if that’s not how it happened? In this episode of Slutty Grace, Jeromy revisits the opening pages of Genesis and the story of “The Fall.” Instead of a flawless world shattered by sin, we’ll explore a different picture: creation as good, but neve…
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Let's Talk About Hell: The place we invented when we forgot who God is.
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13:50This week’s episode is different. No studio, no script—just Jeromy, sitting in his car between appointments, hitting record, and speaking honestly about one of the heaviest doctrines he grew up with: hell. Not the cartoon fire and pitchforks, but the teaching that most of humanity will be tortured forever. For years he felt like he wasn’t even allo…
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The War is Over: God has already declared peace
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6:30In 1974, Japanese soldier Hiroo Onoda finally stepped out of the Philippine jungle—29 years after World War II had ended. For nearly three decades he refused to believe the leaflets that told him the fighting was finished. He lived as if peace was a lie. Many of us do the same with God. Jesus declared, “It is finished.” The war is over. But we stil…
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The title might make you squirm—and that’s the point. Grace isn’t polite religion. It’s not tidy, respectable, or safe. Grace doesn’t wait for the worthy. She doesn’t check your credentials. She pours herself out—recklessly, promiscuously, without apology—on saints and screw-ups alike. In this opening episode, Jeromy wrestles with the elephant in t…
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I’m Jeromy, and this is Slutty Grace. Why call it that? Because grace refuses to behave. She doesn’t ask if you’ve been good, she doesn’t wait for permission, she doesn’t play by religious rules. She gives herself away—promiscuously, shamelessly, to people who don’t deserve it. The respectable have always hated this. They called it wasteful. Danger…
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The Water Had Not Yet Turned into Wine | Ep. 54
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35:13What if you’re not the same person you used to be—and that’s exactly the point? In this episode, I explore the strange and beautiful truth that growth requires us to let old versions of ourselves fade away, like water waiting to be turned into wine. From awkward past opinions (yes, I found some of mine in print!) to Taylor Swift lyrics and even a l…
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Reviving the Golden Rule (with Andrew DeCort) | Ep. 53
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1:36:00In this episode, we dig into why the most famous command in Christianity has become more of a coffee mug slogan than an actual way of life. We’ll explore how we’ve domesticated Jesus’ radical ethic into something polite and toothless… and what it would take to bring its wild, world-flipping power back. We’ll look at what happens when faith stops be…
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What if evil is never as strong as it seems? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we wade into the heaviness of the world (child trafficking, genocide, injustice) and wrestle with what it means to have hope in the face of it. We explore a surprising biblical theme that runs throughout the Psalms and the prophets. We consider Bonhoeffer’s call to j…
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Shame-Sex Attraction (with Lucas Wilson) | Ep. 51
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1:21:34What if we told the stories the church has tried to bury? In Episode 51 of Cabernet and Pray, I sit down with Lucas Wilson—academic, editor of Shame-Sex Attraction, and survivor. We dive into the sobering realities of conversion therapy, explore the toxic cocktail of shame and theology, and examine how fear—especially the fear of hell—is weaponized…
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Is America a Christian nation? In this bold milestone episode of Cabernet and Pray, we take a hard look at Jesus’ own criteria for judging nations from Matthew 25. Spoiler: Jesus doesn’t mention Supreme Court rulings, Ten Commandments in schools, or how many evangelicals show up to vote. He talks about the poor, the immigrant, the sick, and the pri…
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The Cosmic Christ and Concrete Jesus (with Kevin Sweeney) | Ep. 49
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1:13:39What if there’s more to Jesus than the guy in sandals from Nazareth? In this episode, Kevin Sweeney returns to dive into the deep end of the theological pool—exploring the radical beauty of the Cosmic Christ and the liberating call of the Concrete Jesus. It’s the episode where mysticism meets justice, the black prophetic tradition meets the mystics…
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What if loving your neighbor means confronting someone else? In this episode, Jeremy takes a deep dive into a misunderstood (and rarely discussed) concept in Christian ethics: the paradox of tolerance. What happens when hospitality toward one becomes hostility toward others? And what if Jesus intentionally excluded people... for the sake of the vul…
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Rethinking and Rebuilding (with Josh Patterson) | Ep. 47
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1:49:49Ever wondered what happens when two theologically curious podcast hosts bring their shows together over a glass of wine? Episode 47 is part divine disruption, part spiritual therapy session, and 100% a good time. Jeremy Jernigan sits down with Josh Patterson of Rethinking Faith to talk about reconstructing theology, open and relational views of God…
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Theology with Imagination (with Brian Zahnd) | Ep. 46
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1:12:55What happens when one of the most provocative theological voices of our time sits down with a glass of wine and reimagines everything? In this episode, Jeremy talks with Brian Zahnd about peacemaking, the prophetic role of the church, why evangelicalism may not recover, and what happens when we start to believe Jesus actually meant what he said. It…
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What if the only thing separating you from deeper faith… is your doubt? In this episode, we uncork the connection between spiritual curiosity and our inability to see clearly — and why that’s not a flaw, but a feature of real theology. Jesus doesn’t demand certainty. He invites wonder. Click here to watch the episode on video. -------------- Join t…
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Queer and Christian (with Brandan Robertson) | Ep. 44
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57:29This week, we’re uncorking a bold conversation that challenges assumptions, celebrates authenticity, and dives into the complexity of faith and identity. What does it mean to be queer and Christian? You’ll hear personal journeys, tough questions, unexpected grace, and the beauty of holding space for queerness in spirituality. Whether you're in the …
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Are there different ways to understand hell in Christianity? In this thought-provoking episode, Jeremy tackles one of the most challenging theological concepts that many struggle with. If you've ever questioned traditional teachings about eternal punishment or wondered if there are other interpretations supported by scripture, this episode offers a…
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#42: The Spirituality of Wine (with Gisela Kreglinger)
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1:07:01What if drinking wine was more than just a pleasure—it was a spiritual practice? In this episode, we sit down with theologian and wine expert Gisela Kreglinger to explore the deep connections between wine, faith, and community. Growing up in a German winery, Gisela brings a unique perspective on how wine shapes our conversations, our celebrations, …
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Is karma real? Or does Jesus operate in a way that turns our sense of fairness upside down? In this episode, we dive into one of Jesus’ most radical parables from Matthew 20, exploring why fairness might not be the point—and why that’s actually good news. Grab a glass of wine and join us for a thought-provoking discussion on grace, justice, and wha…
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#40: The New Evangelicals (with Tim Whitaker)
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1:02:36Join Jeremy and Tim Whitaker, founder of The New Evangelicals, for an unfiltered and entertaining conversation tackling tough topics in faith, church culture, and beyond—all while sipping on wine. Whether you're wrestling with your faith, navigating church hurt, or just curious about new perspectives, this episode delivers humor, depth, and a lot o…
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What happens when the God of the Old Testament seems unrecognizable next to the Jesus of the New Testament? In this thought-provoking episode of Cabernet and Pray, we tackle what Jeremy calls “the worst chapter in the Bible,” Numbers 31. Together, we confront the shocking themes of revenge, violence, and divine commands that seem incompatible with …
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Can you love Jesus so much that it leaves others feeling unloved? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we unpack a poignant quote from A.W. Tozer’s widow that has sparked a surprising amount of debate among Christians. Join us as we dive into what it truly means to balance a love for God with a love for others, all while sipping on a gorgeous 2021…
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#37: Church in the Brewery (with Mark McKinney)
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1:10:39Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we explore the creative expressions of the church with Mark McKinney, an innovator who is challenging traditional church structures. We dive into the unpredictability of faith journeys, the critical need for true discipleship in modern Christianity, and the fascinating intersection of faith…
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#36: Star-Spangled Jesus (with April Ajoy)
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1:05:34Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we're diving deep into the complexities of faith, politics, and personal transformation with our guest, April Ajoy. April, an author and content creator known for her book "Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding a True Faith," joins us to unpack the deconstruction movement amon…
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Click here to watch the episode on video. Interested in staying in one of our short-term rentals in wine country? Click here to see our two homes. In today's episode, Jeremy shares some exciting personal updates, including the opening of a second rental property in Oregon wine country, the charmingly named "Vino Victorian." But the core of today's …
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#34: American Idolatry (with Andrew Whitehead)
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1:03:05Click here to watch the episode on video. We're thrilled to have Andrew Whitehead, an esteemed professor of sociology and author of "American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church." In this episode, we dive into the complex world of Christian nationalism in America through Andrew's insightful lens. We explo…
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Click here to watch the episode on video. Want to join us on a wine and whiskey trip to Oregon? Find out more HERE. In this episode, we’re diving deep into the fascinating intersection of faith and technology, responding to your comments and critiques about our previous discussion on the ethics of robots. From accusations of irrelevance to insightf…
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#32: Tell Me When I Get There (with Sean Palmer)
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1:01:13Click here to watch the episode on video. Want to join us on a wine and whiskey trip to Oregon? Find out more HERE. In this episode, Sean Palmer, author and teaching pastor at Ecclesia Houston, invites us on a thought-provoking journey discussing memorable wine experiences, evolving beliefs about wealth, and the pressing challenges facing Christian…
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#31: Robot Theology (with Joshua K. Smith)
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1:06:37Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we dive deep into the fascinating intersection of spirituality, philosophy, and cutting-edge technology with a very special guest—Joshua K. Smith. Josh is not just a cybersecurity analyst but also a theologian, former pastor, and insightful author. As we sip on exquisite wines—Jeremy with a crisp 2021…
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#30: Do You Still Talk to Grandma? (with Brit Barron)
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52:34Click here to watch the episode on video. We're celebrating a significant milestone—our 30th episode! We talk with Brit Baron, speaker, storyteller, and author of the compelling new book, "Do You Still Talk to Grandma?" Brit reflects on her journey of evolving beliefs and personal growth, touching on the psychological concept of cognitive closure a…
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#29: The Space Between Us (with Sarah Bauer Anderson)
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1:09:56Click here to watch the episode on video. Welcome to another episode of "Cabernet and Pray." In today's episode, we sit down with Sarah Bauer Anderson, a deeply insightful author whose journey of faith and personal growth offers a compelling narrative for anyone navigating the complexities of religion, politics, and family dynamics. About 15 years …
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Click here to watch the episode on video. Today, we explore the "Word of God." Do you share the belief that the Bible holds the ultimate authority? Or do you see Jesus as the living "Word of God" that John 1 speaks of? We'll wrestle with these questions and more. In this episode, we'll journey through the rich and often paradoxical imagery of the l…
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#27: Ministers of Propaganda (with Scott Coley)
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52:24Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we have Scott M. Coley, a philosophy lecturer at Mount St. Mary's University and author of an intriguing new book. We explore the spiritual side of propaganda and how it's used in religious contexts. We tackle some thought-provoking topics, including the oft-heard phrase "I don't see color,…
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Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we're diving into a topic that often stirs deep emotions in the Christian community: fear (and the shame that often follows). We'll unpack the roots of fear, often instilled by religious leaders, and challenge it with biblical insights from 1 Corinthians. We’ll also have an honest conversation about t…
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#25: From Church to Cocktails (with Jordan Hughes)
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1:34:17Click here to watch the episode on video. Welcome to "Cabernet and Pray," episode 25! Today we are joined by Jordan Hughes, also known as the "High Proof Preacher." Jordan, a renowned commercial photographer and videographer from Portland, Oregon, shares his journey from growing up in a church-centric life to becoming a cocktail expert and social m…
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#24: Blood From a Stone (with Adam McHugh)
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56:17Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we sit down with Adam McHugh, a former hospice chaplain turned sommelier and wine tour guide, as we dive into a fascinating conversation blending spirituality, personal transformation, and the world of wine. Adam, the author of the memoir "Blood from a Stone," shares his remarkable journey …
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