Interledger Foundation presents The FUTURE|MONEY (F|M) Podcast, We invite people of all backgrounds and disciplines to challenge the status quo and provoke new ways of thinking about what digital financial futures are possible.
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Indigenomics and the Digital Future: A Conversation with Carol Anne Hilton
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34:38In this episode of The Future Money Podcast presented by The Interledger Foundation, host Lawil Karama interviews Carol Ann Hilton, CEO of the Indigenomics Institute and a leader in Indigenous economics.We discuss her book “Indigenomics: Taking a Seat at the Economic Table” and its emphasis on incorporating Indigenous perspectives into global econo…
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Empowerment through design: Kumquat’s approach to Financial Inclusion.
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57:28Welcome to the Future Money Podcast. In this episode, host Lawil Karama speaks with Larissa Lamporsad and Kayee Au, co-founders of Kumquat, a product design and user strategy consultancy based in South Africa with global reach. They share their journeys and discuss how trust, simplicity, and dignity in designing financial services shape their work …
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From Engineering to Digital Financial Inclusion
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37:25In this episode of the Future|Money Podcast, we sit down with Santosh Viswanatham, a seasoned engineer and open-source advocate from Hyderabad, India.We explore Santosh’s personal journey, the impact of digital financial inclusion in India, and his active role in the open-source movement, particularly in web monetization and financial technology.Sa…
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In this special episode of the Future Money Podcast, we look back at a year off digital financial inclusion Through curated highlights from guest conversations. We explore the evolving landscape of digital transactions, the role of food in community building, and artists’ unique perspectives on value, universal payment systems, and innovative appro…
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Reimagine global payments with the creators of Interledger
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45:57In this Future Money Podcast episode, host Sabine Schaller converses with Stefan Thomas and Evan Schwartz, the Interledger Protocol (ILP) co-creators. They explore ILP’s development journey, scalability, and its potential to create a universal payment network. The conversation delves into their design process, which aims to simplify and route payme…
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In this episode of the Future Money podcast, we sit down with Joran Greef, the CEO of Tiger Beetle. Joran shares his journey from a childhood passion for business and coding in Cape Town to leading an innovative international team. The conversation delves into Tiger Beetle’s development as a financial transactions database, highlighting its speed, …
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Redefining financial inclusion with Chimoney
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46:56In this episode of the Future Money Podcast, we convene with Uchi Uchibeke, a technologist and entrepreneur. Uchi shares his journey from growing up in Nigeria to securing a scholarship to study in Canada and his experiences with limited hands-on learning opportunities in Nigeria, which led him to pursue further education abroad.We also discuss Chi…
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In this episode of the Future Money Podcast, we present The Interledger Salon. We focus on the Interledger Foundation’s work on campus involvement and partnerships with universities. Our guests, Dr. Allan Davids of the University of Cape Town, Dr. Andrew Mangle of Bowie State University, and Interledger Foundation’s CEO and President Briana Marbury…
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We’re thrilled to announce the first Interledger Salon on the Future|Money podcast, a quarterly panel hosted by the Interledger Foundation with facilitation by Chief Program Officer Chris Lawrence. These discussions aim to connect our community to multilateral stakeholders in the digital financial inclusion sector. As such, we invited Jayshree Venk…
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Welcome to another episode of the Future| Money podcast. In this episode, we’re talking to Carlijn Kingma from Waterworks of Money, a project that explores the metaphor ‘money as water’. We’ll discuss how Carlijn, as an artist and architect, makes complex topics like monetary systems and financial structures more accessible, engaging, and comprehen…
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Welcome back to another episode of the Future|Money series! Today, we’re thrilled to be in conversation with with Felipe Brugues, Ana Rodriguez, and Juan Carlos Leon, an inspiring collective based in Mexico City and Quito. Today we are diving into their project, Re/Simulate. This fascinating artwork digs deep into the effectiveness of financial and…
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Taking the train to Digital Financial Inclusion
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40:03Join this week’s episode where we welcome our newest host, Chris Lawrence, Chief Program Officer of the Interledger Foundation. Chris converses with Dr. Andrew Mangle, an Associate Professor from Bowie State University. They discuss the partnership between the Interledger Foundation and Bowie State, which provides students with learning opportuniti…
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In this episode, we are in conversation with Lena Ghaninejad. She will be sharing more about her artwork, Liminal Matter. The installation aims to illustrate the evolution of money from tangible matter that originates directly from the Earth (grains, food & stones) into an increasingly immaterial entity that leaves more people behind as financial s…
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Sikhula Sonke: Living Archives of Afrofuturist Village Banking
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41:48In this episode, we are in conversation with Esther Mwema. She will be sharing about her project, Sikhula Sonke: Living Archives of Afrofuturist Village Banking, which she created together with Jon Adam Chen and three different communities in Zambia and South Africa. Sikhula Sonke is an isiXhosa phrase which means ‘we grow together.’ The project is…
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In this episode we talk with Subhashish Panigrahi, he is a civil society leader and documentary filmmaker with an interest in tech, media, and society. His films focus on conservation and assertion and broader issues of access, digital rights, and openness. He advocates for community-led media, open tech development, and indigenous sovereignty. Sub…
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In this episode, we converse with XiaoXiao, also known as Xiaoji Song. She is an artist, writer, and researcher currently based in Berlin, Germany. Her work centers around community-specific experiences, influenced by texts, games, and performances. These experiences often touch on topics such as migration, techno-politics, and the performative asp…
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In this weeks episode, We will talk with Mia Wright Ross who is an Artist, leather artisan, designer, educator, and entrepreneur. She specialised in the leather Cording technique and was one of the eight artists selected to participate in the Future|Money Arts and Culture grant by Interledger Foundation. We will discuss her artwork, “Loose Change (…
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The first episode is a conversation with Kokayi Walker, a Grammy-nominated musician and composer who co-designed the Future Money grant. We discussed how he uses technology in his art practice, And how he’s experienced the tension of financial exclusion, and his collaborations with international artists. We also explored in our chat how the seeming…
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The Future Money podcast is presented by the Interledger Foundation. We invite people of all backgrounds and disciplines to imagine what a financially inclusive future might be. In the first episodes, we’re focusing on the creative arts and interviewing artists whose work provokes new ways of thinking about a more expansive, inclusive future of how…
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