The first episode is a conversation with Kokayi Walker, a Grammy-nominated musician and composer who co-designed the Future Money grant.

We discussed how he uses technology in his art practice, And how he’s experienced the tension of financial exclusion, and his collaborations with international artists.

We also explored in our chat how the seemingly simple exchange of money for creatives awakens larger issues of privacy, surveillance, fair wages, exploitative commerce, and the complexities of navigating financial exchange across borders. In the second half of the podcast, we discussed the symbiotic and sometimes fraught relationship between arts and technology, and how the Interledger Foundation’s Future Money Grant program is providing working artists across disciplines and geographies the opportunity to explore and propel discourse on the vital need for financial inclusion today.