This week, Dave and Steve sit down with Don Armand – former England international, Exeter Chiefs legend, and now the man behind Identity Human.

From tearing it up on the pitch to building up others off it, Don opens up about the highs and lows of professional sport, how retirement from rugby forced him to confront his identity, and what it really means to grow as a person once the crowd stops cheering.

We get into masculinity, leadership, pressure, privilege – and why turning the mirror on yourself is sometimes the hardest part of growth. There's laughter, brutal honesty, and some proper deep dives into mental health, resilience, and what it means to truly connect with others – and yourself.

This isn’t just one for the rugby fans – it’s for anyone who’s ever asked, "Who am I, really?"

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