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You can find them at homegrowncollective.org. If you're enjoying this podcast, please like, subscribe, share it with a friend, or leave a comment. Thank you. Today I'm talking with Jesse at Organic Urban Farm. Good morning, Jesse. How are you? Good morning, Mary. How's everything? It's good. If I lose you, it's because we have some really high winds happening here in Minnesota today. Not a problem. Just a call away. Okay, cool. All right. So.

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I had to go look up Long Island, New York because I never even wondered about where it is. I grew up in Maine, but never even wondered how Long Island fit into the state of New York. And it is literally a Long Island. Yes, it is. So is it very populated because that helps me raise my questions here? Yeah. So I've lived on Long Island my whole life. I've lived in the town of Oceanside since basically I was

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Around three years old, we moved over here. The Oceanside is about 40 minutes from like New York City. So Manhattan and you you're very close to the boroughs. You're only a car ride away really from anywhere. But for me, I grew up upstate a lot in upstate New York with my grandparents, raising chickens and horses and other animals. With my papa was a big thing for me growing up. And I spent most of my summers over there.

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I always loved it. So once my papa passed, I decided to do a little nice chicken coop in my backyard and start something small just in his memory and something that made me happy to do. But around us, we really don't have many chicken coops. I'm probably one of the few people in our neighborhood who has a chicken coop. So it is rare to have this over here, but it was something I love and it was something that I really wanted to do. But yeah, this is really more of like...

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Urban city. This is more of you know a fast-paced area. It's You know more of a city suburban life, and it's a little bit different than Then what you would see on most forms I would say yeah, that was part of the reason that your Instagram page grabbed me because I was like organic and urban don't necessarily shake hands well unless you work some magic Yep, absolutely so

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You know, we don't have our certifications and stuff like that, but we raise our chickens all organic when it comes to free-ranging them and then as well as feed. Right now, we use Scratch and Peck, which honestly is one of my favorite brands. It's a little pricey, but the chickens really do love it. And honestly, I haven't had any problems with it, even when they were babies with the coxodosis. you know, I was raising chickens, you guys know.

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that the babies tend to sometimes eat their poop and stuff like that, which will make them sick. But a lot of people use the medicated feed, but I don't see a need for it, honestly. I've noticed that the organic feed, as long as it's a quality feed, seem to be, you know, you don't seem to have any sicknesses or anything. But that also goes with how neat you keep your coop and how neat you keep the brooder. Because that's very important when it comes to that.

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When it comes to the health and the sickness in a small area like this, especially when you don't have a big farm, you really have to be neat. It's the most important part of it. Yep. Absolutely. Because those bacteria nasties will take any opportunity to get in and wreak havoc. Absolutely. Yep. So, um, so how big is your, uh, yep, go ahead. No, I'm sorry. That was, I was just getting, uh, in somewhere. Well, go ahead. What were you saying? How big is your, um,

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your lot that you have your chickens on? So we have a very big backyard. So like by us, depending on the area you live, you could have like a smaller backyard, like a city type backyard, or you could have like a nice amount of space, almost like an acre to two acres of space, depending on really where you are. So we're more like on the acre side. So it's, we have a very nice size backyard and it's very

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open. like we're able to, we do have neighbors that could like see right into our backyard and everything like that. And they see the chickens, everything, but they don't bother them. Our chickens are very well behaved. don't really make a lot of noise. Honestly, I know the more chickens you have, the more noisy it becomes, we haven't had it really much of a problem. We have very high hedges up around the whole area, so they can't fly over. They try to sometimes, but

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We haven't really had that issue yet. You know, it could always become an issue or something. So we're always ready to really maneuver anything we have to and adjust, which is a big thing over here because I noticed when I did this on my grandfather's property, which was in upstate New York where there's acres and acres of property. It was a bit different. You had a lot more room for error. Over here, you have to be very precise with the things you do or.

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Number one, the chickens won't be happy and healthy, which is our most important part of this because for us, we started this as well, not just because of my grandfather, but we had some health problems in my family. So we really wanted to know where our food was coming from. And we wanted to know how it was being raised and if it was being raised correctly.

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So we really wanted to take that into our own hands. So before we even started this, that was like our main concern. So that is really why we chose to go with like the organic method. And we chose to spend a little extra money to get more benefits out of it. And for us in this area where we are, since there isn't a lot of people who do this over here and there's not a lot of people who...

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You know, it's a pretty far drive away if you want to go get organic, like healthy eggs, and you know where they're coming from in our area. You would have to drive at least either an hour and a half up north, or you would have to drive another hour and a half to like the Montauk area where there is farms over there, but it's a far drive for people. like over here, we don't have a problem getting, you know, seven to $10 a carton for organic eggs, which I know is crazy in certain areas.

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But over here, we tend to be able to sell them for a little more, but it also costs a lot more to do things over here. The shipping for the food and everything else, because there's no really tractor supply. mean, the closest tractor supply is about an hour and a half away. Then, you know, the feed stores by us, they really don't have much because a lot of people over here don't follow the hobby as we do. Yeah. How many chickens do you have? Right now we have 15 chickens.

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But we also have some babies right now that are We have around Another 20 babies right now and another five ducklings. So at the end of this we'll have around 35 ducks I mean chickens in about five ducks okay, so so I Know you said you used to spend time with your grandfather and you you missed having access to the chickens and livestock and stuff so

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Are you raising these chickens so that you can have your own eggs and so that you can sell them too? Correct. Yeah. So we raise them right now just for like the first group of chickens that we have. We raised them just for us. And then everybody kept asking us for eggs. They wanted eggs. They wanted organic, like healthy eggs. Because when people come in our backyard, they really love like our whole setup. People want to just sit back there and enjoy it.

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And you know, friends, family, they come over all the time just to like hang out and be around it and everything like that because it's something that you don't really get over here. But at this point, we needed to get more chickens. And honestly, that's actually our biggest problem is I think that we've kind of created something where we've maxed out our space, especially with the baby chicks we have growing up right now, because they're about six, seven weeks old now. So they're almost pullets.

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in a couple of weeks, I mean, to be honest with you, I think that our main goal is to actually start moving this operation to our house in Monticello, New York, which is about two and a half hours from here. We have family who live over there, my dad, my uncle and everybody. So we're actually debating on moving and doing this as a whole organic farm upstate and having like

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hundreds of chickens because we really enjoy this. It's honestly become our life. were working in offices and you know, it's not really the greatest life. People, you know, who do it and enjoy the money and this and that, yeah, it's okay. But once you start doing something like this, it's very freeing. It's very exciting. It's a different way of living. And honestly, we all, my whole family, we just

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fell in love with it. And we're honestly on the cusp of maybe moving over there and continuing this and growing it even bigger. But that's within the next year. We have some planning to do before we could just start doing something like that up to over there. Well, that's exciting. I hope that whatever it is you want to come of this happens for you. I also feel like if you've been working in an office for years and you get into this, it becomes addicting to you.

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in the best way. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Absolutely. For me, it's, it's, I'm not saying this in a bad way, it's like the best drug in the world. It's, you're, you're loving earth, you're loving the creatures of earth. It's, it's a beautiful marriage because this is like what we were supposed to do. You're not supposed to be sitting in an office all the time and on your phone. So what I've learned is like, you start to appreciate other things. You really start to.

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enjoy the more simple things in life instead of chasing things that don't matter. For me, I truly do not see myself doing anything else. Like for me, we did it from like the eggs in the incubator and started it from like scratch. So to see a life form like that and everything, you know, at a young age when I was doing that with my grandfather and

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him just teaching me everything about it. I always had this in my blood. So like some people don't get to experience this until later in life. I experienced that at a young age, but because of where I lived, I was limited. So I mean, now that I, you know, I am able to get out of this setting and I, I'm not saying I have a million dollars or anything like that, but I'm able to move upstate, which is actually a cheaper area to move to. And I think I'd enjoy life more personally. And

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You know, like people say, chicken math, right? You think you're get one chicken, two chickens, then you have four, six, know, 10, 20. That's how it goes. And it's funny, I'll show you a picture one day. I'll send it to you after we get off the phone. When I started this, bought this little $100 chicken coop. I put it together, I'm very handy. So I built the whole coop you could see on my page and everything like that. So, but when I first started doing it, I just bought a little chicken coop and a...

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I came and I was so small, I like, how are they supposed to live in this? And like, this isn't right. And then I was like, you know what, if I'm going to do this, let me do it the right way. I ended up building a whole coup, a whole operation out of it and everything like that, a whole run. And they love it. They're very happy. They're very healthy. They come out, they come right up to me. They want to be held. They want to be paid. Some of them, but you know, some, they all have different personalities, but.

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You know how you raise them to is important the more love and care you show them the more they want to be around you Yep, they're just like any other animal and honestly if you're nice to a baby alligator It's going to bond with you. So it's just the way that you treat them The chicken math thing. I thought I had it beat. I really did We um, we got 12 chickens back a couple months ago. They were 18 or 20 weeks old because

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We've been buying eggs at the store. We've had chickens before. got rid of the ones last fall that were done laying and we're going to start again in May. Well, a couple of months ago, I said to my husband, said, can we please get chickens soon because the eggs from the store are terrible. And he was like, sure, let's, call our chicken dealer. And she's a really good friend. She's also the owner of my dog's parents. And I said, uh, I said, you got any chickens?

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And she was like, we do, they're not laying yet, but you'll be getting the first eggs from them they've ever laid. And I was like, great. So we got 12 chickens and we opened up our farm stand two weekends ago and we've been putting a couple dozen eggs in every day to be for sale. And we've been selling out almost immediately within an hour of the farm stand being open. The eggs are gone. We haven't had eggs to eat for ourselves.

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for two weeks because we've been selling them. So my husband says to me on, I think it was Tuesday, he says, do you think Gene might have any more laying hens available for sale? And I said, probably why? He says, cause we have people in our community that really want our eggs and we're going to end up not having any eggs for ourselves. And I was like, okay, let me check. So I got hold of her.

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And she said, of course we do. And they're 18 weeks old. And I said, Oh, are you doing these on a rotating basis because everybody wants chickens? And she said, yes, I am. So we're actually getting 14 more chickens tomorrow. So we'll have 26 chickens by tomorrow afternoon instead of just 12. That's chicken myth. Yep. Right there. That's a perfect story to illustrate it. It's crazy. But I.

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I really would like to have some eggs to bake with. And right now I don't have any eggs because they're all going away to customers. And that's great. I appreciate the fact that the community is supporting our little business, but we need eggs in our house too. That's the problem we ran into. Yeah. And regarding upstate New York, like I said, I grew up in Maine. I live in Minnesota now and I don't fly. So when we go home to visit family, we drive through

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the long state of New York. And upstate New York is beautiful. It is. is. Holy God. So upstate actually used to be like a very popular area before like flying became like a big thing. And before there was more modes of transportation and people can get to all these islands and stuff like Monticello, New York and like the area we're in.

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That place was like a very popular area. Like you could look it up online. There was like, it was a, there was all hotels there and everything like that. was like almost like Montauk. don't know. Not everybody listening is going to know what Montauk is, but Montauk is like on the tip of Long Island and it's a very popular place. Not my type of place. It's like a very richy rich area. And like a lot of people go up there and just spend money drinking and eating and this and that, but it's.

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That's kind of what it was like over there, but now it's like very, it's back to its old ways where it's more just like the mountains and the trails. Like I'm a big rider. Like I ride dirt bikes, quads, all stuff like that. So when I go upstate, we have a bunch of trails, hundreds of acres of trails up there like that. We go hunting and stuff up there. And it's, it's a very different lifestyle than where I was explaining before in Long Island. It's more of like,

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of most people who have farms, that's probably the type of area they're living in. it's, you know, obviously a little more hilly than certain areas, but it's way more rural and it has a lot of like, of the same qualities you get in more of the middle States. And that's kind of why I love the, you know, both worlds of it. It's very two different worlds, but my dad and my grandparents, they...

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always were upstate and everything. we had a couple different houses upstate, but the one in Monticello is the one we were most likely expand to because it's the closest because my wife, she probably wouldn't want to move full-time over there. So I would probably have to do a lot of driving, but for me it would be worth it because, and also for me, I wouldn't have to be there every day because we do have other family members up there who are very into this as well. So.

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It would really be more about me putting in the time to go build structures for them to live in as well as also, like for example, right? When we have our backyard chickens, if you do it the right way, you're not really too worried about a crazy amount of predators depending on where you live. Like in Long Island, I'm really not worried about much other than raccoons. The occasional, I guess, you can get mice and rats in there, but like if you,

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Like build it the right way and you do it the right way. haven't had any problems, but in a Monticello it's different. have bears, have mountain cats, have cats and like this and that. So wolves, not wolves, I'm sorry, coyotes, stuff like that. And it's, it's a bit different, but when you have a bigger flock up there and you want to raise them organic, you really are going to have some losses. it's sad because you know, you don't want that to happen, but if you're raising them right and it's just nature taking its course, you

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really can't be too upset about that. But if you do it the right way where you have a couple of guard dogs, a couple of guard geese, and you do it the right way, you could really let them free roam. You could let them enjoy life the way they want to enjoy life. And you know how chickens are. They board themselves up every night by themselves. They're smart. So other than the cleaning aspect of hundreds of chickens, chickens really do take care of themselves if you build things the right way. Like a big thing for me, even with my small coop.

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Everything's automated. I set up a whole PVC watering system. set up PVC feeding system. I very rarely have to do those things, which gives me more time to spend time with the chickens and also, you know, make sure the coop's clean for them, make sure it's neat for them so they don't get sick. And it's basically the same thing, just at a higher operation, like in a place like Monticello. I think it's a great idea.

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I mean, you clearly love doing this on a small scale. I think you would be really successful doing it on a big scale. The only thing that we have automated in our chicken coop is in the winter time, we have these little heating pucks that go in the water so the water doesn't freeze. That's the only thing that we have quote unquote automated. those are very smart to have. Like it's great to have those, especially because, you know, in the winter, I know probably in Maine, it's a little cold.

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I mean, it's probably nothing crazier than over here, over here, if you leave those waters out, they're gonna freeze, especially if it's a little bit of water, not a little bit, but you know how much those water things hold. It's not a huge barrel of water. It's gonna freeze quicker. So what I decided to do, and it's honestly very easy, and even if you're not, I'm a handy person, but if you're not a handy person, this is a thing I would recommend to everybody.

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It just makes your life easier and honestly keeps the water a lot cleaner and it's just, it's less of a worry. If you could do it, try to set up a PVC watering system. It's very easy. All you need is a barrel and a few PVC pipes. There's a hundred videos on YouTube. There's all different, you know, kits. If you don't want to go to Home Depot and buy each part by yourself, cause you don't feel confident in that you could just get a kit online. And I'm not a salesman for these things or anything. I just know how well they work.

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And I really would recommend it to anybody. And also, you know, the feeding systems, the bigger feeding system you have, the less times you're going to have to change the food. But there's ways to take up less space too. You could, you know, use the PVC pipe feeding method, which is something I used in my coop. And for me, I just fill it up with a couple of, you know, 50 pound bags and I don't have to feed them for, you know, weeks at a time. It's, it's very rewarding because you have more time to do the fun things and then you'll enjoy.

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you know, taking care of your chickens more. It doesn't become a chore. something you like to do. Yep, exactly. And there are so many ways to make things easier on a homestead like we have here. And I grew up in Maine. I live in Minnesota now. So on our homestead in Minnesota, we. Okay, okay. So it is colder up there. That's freezing over there.

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Oh yeah, mean Maine was cold too, but Minnesota has a couple weeks in the wintertime where it's minus 20 at night and it's just like, oh my God, those poor chickens. chickens are really resilient, you know this. As long as you don't, we do not heat the coop in the wintertime because chickens get acclimated to the temperatures that are going on around them. If you heat the coop,

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and then the heat goes out, they will freeze to death because they're used to 70 degrees and it's minus 20 outside. That's a good point because if you think about it even as a human being, right? Like if you go in from a Jacuzzi and then you get out and it's cold out, you're to be freezing cold. So you just adjust into the temperatures. It's a bit different. So for me, I just like to keep everything, you know, like obviously the wind's a big thing and

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temperature changes and this and that. But if you could keep everything at a constant, that's the most important thing. People, a lot of people worry because in the beginning, people have, don't always set up the brooder the right way and they lose chicks because of the heating situation and the lamps and things like that. And they think that they're not resilient, but as soon as they start getting feathers, they become very resilient. Like for example, one day before I put a top on one of my brooders,

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I had this one bird, it's actually my favorite bird, it's a speckled sausage. She's a beautiful bird, very beautiful looking bird, but she loves me. If I go up to the things she wants to be picked up, she's like a beautiful bird. They're very resilient and people don't realize. One day she flew out of the brooder and I was sleeping and I have dogs. My dogs are very calm, they're not gonna like...

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go out of their way to do something, but if there's a chick on the floor, like I'm sure my dog's gonna go after it. So I wake up and I count all the birds in the brooder and there was one missing and I'm looking all around the house. She was hiding underneath the radiator and I found her and she was, other than hiding from the dog, she was fine. She's in great shape. She's a bigger bird now. She's a beautiful bird.

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It's funny because I feel like she remembered me saving her that day and every after that day she always wanted me to pick her up and this and that. But going back to my main point, they are very resilient. You don't really need to spend a bunch of money in heating and this and that. They really just live well in the environments. Because if you're, then their nature's pet. It's like they were born to live outside. So they could live in, you know.

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hotter temperatures and they can live in those negative 20 degrees of temperatures. you don't really have to do much. no. I mean, this is why they say that chickens are the gateway drug to homesteading and farming because they are. I completely agree with that. If I had more land, I'd have a million more animals. Oh yeah. And like we have three acres here and you would think we'd have more animals. We don't. We have like two barn cats, a dog and the 12 chickens right now. And part of it is that

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Some animals don't do really well in captivity. Some, we had rabbits, we don't do rabbits anymore because they didn't procreate for some weird reason. I've actually talked to a couple people who raise rabbits for meat about what happened with our rabbits and they're like, I have no idea what happened there. So, they're known for that. I've never had rabbits personally, so I really don't know much.

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don't know much about rabbits but yeah that's true so I wonder if some maybe that's weird I am surprised by that. Yeah we were too and the reason I've talked to a couple experts is because I feel like we did something wrong but these couple of experts I they asked me really specific questions I answered them truthfully and both of these women said I don't think it's anything that you did wrong I think that that maybe your male wasn't fertile.

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or you happen to be the lucky recipient of a couple of females who weren't fertile. And I'm like, great, of course we were. So we don't do that anymore because it was a bad experience. And the best thing about this lifestyle is that if you're not getting the results you want, you can change your mind. You can do something else. Absolutely. You can adjust. That's the biggest thing in life is being able to adjust. It's a hard thing to do, but it's important. And like from talking to you and...

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You know, hearing you talk about all these things and how knowledgeable you are on them, I doubt it was something you were doing. It must have just been something, you know, like they said, either one of them being unfurred or something just rare like that. And it happens, but once you get a bad taste in your mouth, sometimes you just want to move on to the next thing. And sometimes it's better. just certain things you're not, you're not made like you don't want to do as much as others. Right. And the podcast doesn't cost me feed money.

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and time with fuzzy bunnies that don't procreate. honestly, my husband is big into gardening. So that's his thing here at the homestead. And that's revving up beautifully this year. Last year sucked. It rained here a lot and our garden was a fail. So we're very excited about this season. And so that's what he's spending his time on right now, other than his full time job too.

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That's funny to hear you say that. don't know where you guys are from, but we're Italian and gardening is a very big thing. So we love that. But where we live, it's very hard to do that because it's just all, there's not a lot of place to grow. You have to have pots and this and that, and it just becomes a lot.

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But growing your own food like that, it's awesome. And I wanted to actually touch on one of the things you said before. You said the store bought eggs taste different. And if you've never had an egg that was farm laid or from somebody that you knew was coming from the right place, it's a completely different tasting thing. I don't even eat eggs from the store. I think they taste disgusting, if you want my honest opinion. And I just, feel like

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If anyone's ever had that like or even just your own grown vegetables that don't have all the pesticides over them like you're talking about I think that's something everybody needs to experience I I do too and I don't think that the store-bought eggs taste terrible. I think that they don't taste like anything Yeah, yeah. Yep. than what you season them with it's so true. Mm-hmm. And the other thing is is that

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Part of the reason that we think that our chickens lay the best eggs is because there's pride of ownership in that too. Absolutely. So, you know, it's all very subjective, but there's also studies that prove that chickens that are fed certain foods and not given antibiotics and stuff actually do produce a more nutritious egg. I couldn't see it being any more true because think about it, it's all what you put in your body.

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As a human, a chicken, it doesn't make a difference. Yes. If you eat chocolate candy bars and Doritos every day of your life and that's it, you're probably not going to live a very long life. you eat, I don't know, apples from the apple trees that your grandpa's farm and cucumbers and tomatoes from your grandpa's garden when you're growing up, you're probably going to live a longer life. Absolutely. It's very true.

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We're not just blowing smoke here, listeners. There's actual science behind all of this. It's very true. And honestly, I've seen it just in my family, just with health problems, and them just turning to a better alternative and not eating the junk. It really changed their lives, and for the better, obviously. I mean, especially for people who have the space and listen, I really

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went through some hoops to have like the coop and everything else that I have like this in this little spot that I have. But if you have the acres and everything, you really should be doing something like this. It's something you'll enjoy. It's something you'll love. And I'm not going to say it's not work, but it's work that's rewarding. Yeah. And just give it a try. If it doesn't work, you can pivot. You can change your mind. It's okay.

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So I had another question when you were talking and I of course just lost it right out the window. So I try to keep these to half an hour and I have one question that I've been asking everybody at the end of the episodes. Jesse, do you have one word that you could use to describe how you feel about your organic urban farm?

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One word.

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I think it would be prideful. Okay. I think prideful because for love, I think prideful would be better because for me it's not just about the chickens and raising them and giving them a great life. It's also about commemorating my grandfather and how much love and care I put into all this. So I do feel very prideful about it. And also, you know, the

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the product I'm giving to other people and their families. do feel like giving people the best possible quality food and everything like that to nourish their bodies, it's just a very rewarding thing. It's just something that will always make you feel good about yourself. It's a nice thing. Absolutely. All right, Jesse, thank you so much for your time today. Where can people find you if they want to contact you for eggs?

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Thank you again, Mary. You guys can find me at Organic Urban Farms on TikTok, Instagram. If you want to come get eggs from us, we're very low right now, but as I said, we're going to be upping our operation pretty soon and we do have some younger chicks growing up right now. But we sell right from our house, right in Oceanside. If you message us on our Instagram or TikTok, we'll be more than happy to give you all the information. Come to us, get your first couple of eggs free on us as well.

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Also, we have duck eggs, great for baking and stuff as well. So come find us and more than happy to help you out. Answer any questions as well if you're interested in the topic. Okay. And I'm going to repeat it. You can find Jesse at organic urban farm on Tik TOK and Instagram, and you can find me at a tiny homestead podcast.com. Jesse, thank you. Have a great day. Thank you. too. Bye. Bye.

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