In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast, host Sam Believ (founder of www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Robin Kurland. Robin is a licensed marriage and family therapist and psychedelic integration specialist with nearly 20 years of experience. Based in Sacramento, she works with trauma, addiction, sexual abuse survivors, and veterans, blending expressive arts, embodiment, and Internal Family Systems therapy into her healing approach.

We touch upon topics of:

• Robin’s journey from dancer to therapist (00:44)
• Her first spiritual experience with death (01:20)
• The meaning of integration (05:02)
• Using art and journaling after ceremonies (06:27)
• Integration of difficult psychedelic experiences (07:11)
• Long-term integration and internal protectors (08:39)
• How expressive arts help with trauma (10:03)
• Drawing as psychedelic integration (12:00)
• Somatic and visual techniques for post-ceremony art (14:00)
• How to use dance after a ceremony (16:15)
• Dancing during ceremonies and movement as integration (18:12)
• Interpretation vs expression in integration art (21:16)
• Psychedelics and addiction recovery (31:41)
• The link between 12-step programs and psychedelics (34:44)
• Shadow work and Internal Family Systems (41:02)
• Supporting someone with limited access to integration (26:46)
• What is pre-integration and why it matters (49:40)

If you would like to attend one of our Ayahuasca retreats, go to www.lawayra.com

Find more about Robin at robinkurland.com or on Instagram at @psychedelicrecovery_