In this powerful episode of Battling with Business, Chris is joined by Colonel Oliver Lee OBE, a former Royal Marines officer and internationally respected leader, for a compelling discussion on leadership, integrity, and moral courage.

From leading Royal Marines on operations to shaping organisational culture at the highest levels, Oliver shares his unique leadership journey, starting with a playground protest at age ten and culminating in senior command roles in Afghanistan and Whitehall. He speaks candidly about the principles that guided him throughout his career, the importance of putting people first, and the moral strength needed to lead authentically—even when it comes at personal cost.

Together, Chris and Oliver explore the difference between individual and institutional moral courage, using case studies like Sgt Al Blackman to demonstrate the complexity and stakes involved. The conversation delves into Oliver’s controversial experience during the Sgt Al Blackman incident in Afghanistan, and his eventual resignation in protest—a move driven by his belief that the issue went far deeper than one individual.

They also discuss the tensions between personal values and organisational culture, especially in high-pressure environments, and the challenges of transitioning from military to civilian leadership. Oliver’s reflections on vulnerability, responsibility, and the importance of authentic leadership provide a rich source of inspiration and insight for anyone leading in complex systems.

🎙️ This is a must-listen episode for leaders in all fields—military, business, or public service—who are grappling with questions of integrity, culture, and the courage to do what’s right.

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