Part 2 of this summer break episode takes a bit of a light hearted look at the cyber security industry predictions that become the norm in late December and early January. Eight or nine months later, how accurate where they? Take a listen, there are a couple surprises.

The conversation uncovers a few ongoing challenges with the cyber security industry, from the digital divide associated with aging to organizational shifts away from engineering principles.

A book by security pioneer Bruce Schneier is mentioned late in the show and Doug managed to mangle the title twice, but did read, and does recommend the book.