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Labour says the Government shouldn't be celebrating record high prisoner numbers.
Earlier this week Prime Minister Christopher Luxon declared it was a good thing the prison population was nearing 11 thousand people.
The Government is also celebrating a reduction by 38 thousand in the number of victims of violent crime since it came into power.
Labour's Duncan Webb told John MacDonald that while locking people up may provide short term relief, it doesn't last.
He says they eventually get out and will cause more harm unless they've been rehabilitated.
National’s Matt Doocey told MacDonald that he disagrees with Webb framing the situation as locking them up, but not fixing anything.
He says you can actually do both, and there is a duty to ensure there are rehabilitation programmes for incarcerated individuals.
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