In this powerful conversation, Catherine Toon and Mike Zenker dive deep into what it truly means to be the church—not just attend one. Together, they unpack complex yet crucial topics like identity in Christ, unlearning toxic doctrine, spiritual hunger, and healing from religious trauma. Discover how grace, humility, and authentic love trump rigid dogma, and why community and diverse perspectives are vital for spiritual growth. They also explore the radical nature of Jesus’ love, the struggle of loving the unlovable, and the journey of finding yourself again after religious hurt. This is an honest, compassionate dialogue about reclaiming your faith, understanding your true identity, and walking in unconditional love. Whether you've been hurt by the church, feel spiritually starved, or are just seeking deeper meaning, this episode offers hope, healing, and fresh perspective. www.growingingrace.com Contact Mike: https://hopefellowshipycc.com/ www.youtube.com/c/MichaelZenker Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com * FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass” and align with your God-given calling: https://catherinetoon.com. * Your Partnership Changes Lives! Your tax-deductible donations enable us to spread this life-giving message far and wide. Partner with us today: https://catherinetoon.com/support. Like, Share, and Subscribe to bring hope and encouragement to your feed and others. Every click helps spread God’s transformative love. Thank you! Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush “Unveiled Horizons” available on Amazon Follow Catherine Toon: * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * LinkedIn: @CatherineToon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD * Pinterest: @catherinetoonmd