In lots of ways Guardian Media Group is facing the same problems as every other news publisher: A tricky ad environment, platform problems, looming AI threats.
One big difference: The Guardian also has a $1.5 billion trust backing the non-profit - which seems way, way better than being owned by a run-of-the-mill billionaire who might want to meddle with the paper.
But CEO Anna Bateson says the Guardian needs to be a self-sustaining publisher. So it has been steadily, and successfully, getting readers to shoulder the load, via donations, which now account for 40% of the company's revenue.
We talk about how and why the Guardian switched its business model; why it still wants ad money; how the British, lefty news shop is trying to break into America yet again - and why asking readers for donations is, and isn't, like asking them to pay for subscriptions.

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices