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In this episode Duncan & Jim talk to Ben Clavel.
We met Ben when he came over to New Zealand from Australia to swim at our Ice Swimming pool championships.
Ben hasn't been swimming for long, but already has achived more than many others.
He got started as a means to support his kids who were into swimming, and then got going in his own way.
He swam the English Channel in a relaym with almost no ocean swimming experience, and if that was not enough decided to come to NZ with one of his relay friends to try his hand at Ice swimming.
He is a really good bloke and has some great stories.
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