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In this episode, I caught up with my old Asda colleague Leanne Mallory, who’s now Head of Product Practice at the Co-op. It was brilliant to reconnect — not least because she still remembers some advice I gave her over a decade ago about turning off her devices… and still tries to follow it.
We talked about those early Asda days when digital marketing, e-commerce, and retail media were just starting to collide. Leanne described how that culture of experimentation and collaboration taught her the value of empowerment — giving teams the space to try things, learn fast, and lead from where they are. She said the best leaders are the ones who clear a path and trust their teams to get on with it.
Leanne also shared how she’s evolved from being a hands-on product lead to shaping a whole product practice at the Co-op — a business that, in her words, “balances commercial thinking with a genuine social conscience.” Her focus now is on developing people, creating consistency across teams, and making sure product managers have the skills and confidence to do their best work.
We explored how technology has changed over the years — from the days when buying a £700 climbing frame on a mobile phone felt unthinkable, to today’s mobile-first world. Yet, as Leanne pointed out, the fundamentals haven’t changed: it’s still about spending time with customers, understanding their real needs, and not chasing shiny tech for the sake of it.
She talked honestly about the transition from doing to leading — admitting she still misses being close to the action but has learned to take satisfaction in helping others succeed. A coaching qualification helped her shift from giving answers to asking better questions, something she sees as vital for modern leadership.
One of my favourite moments came when she reflected on career advice that stuck with her: your career is built on what you say no to, not what you say yes to. It’s a reminder that focus matters — at work and at home.
Leanne’s warmth, self-awareness, and humour shine through in this conversation. We covered leadership, empowerment, technology, balance, and that eternal challenge of switching off and not constantly checking notifications — but as Leanne’s current boss wisely says, “If it’s really urgent, we’ll phone you.”
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